I'm officially pissed Oliver hasn't started all season

18in32 said:
Yeah, the dumbasses know better when they're calling plays on Monday instead of on Saturday.
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I have been calling for Oliver since I saw him score 3 tds in a row against USF when Taquon wasn't able to move the ball. If it was just an issue of running a simple offense vs a complex one then he should have just run the simple offense with Taquon to begin with.
 
Akinji07 said:
I have been calling for Oliver since I saw him score 3 tds in a row against USF when Taquon wasn't able to move the ball. If it was just an issue of running a simple offense vs a complex one then he should have just run the simple offense with Taquon to begin with.
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I'll say that the theories that "USF adjusted" and so we had to put Marshall back in look a lot less plausible now.
 
Marshall did the same thing against Louisville that Oliver did against VT.

Marshall can run more of the offense. If the offense is struggling we can put in Oliver and run the QB sweep to the left for a TD or two.

I'm going to trust the decisions of the coach who architected near-perfect offensive performances against both Van Gorder and Foster.
 
Akinji07 said:
I have been calling for Oliver since I saw him score 3 tds in a row against USF when Taquon wasn't able to move the ball. If it was just an issue of running a simple offense vs a complex one then he should have just run the simple offense with Taquon to begin with.
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We didn't lose to USF because of Marshall or our offense. Defense sucked and we gave up 2 straight KO return TDs
 
RussianOffense said:
We didn't lose to USF because of Marshall or our offense. Defense sucked and we gave up 2 straight KO return TDs
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Alright comrade.

Obviously you didn't watch our offense the entire game.

And you have a hard time comprehending my posts.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
The dumbasses were calling for Oliver on Monday of last year, tho. So there's that.
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They called for a lot of stuff last year that is now forgotten.

This is the beauty of counterfactual analysis. It is literally impossible to be wrong.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
I'll say that the theories that "USF adjusted" and so we had to put Marshall back in look a lot less plausible now.
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TBH I'm starting to think that the biggest difference is that the OL was better at blocking the simplified offense under Oliver, whereas all it took was one öööö up to kill a drive when running the more complicated offense under Marshall. Our offense was EXTREMELY basic against VT - we literally just destroyed them at the LOS play after play after play. There was very little misdirection or trickery involved, so the joke's on the OP because there was no gimmick.
 
johncu said:
TBH I'm starting to think that the biggest difference is that the OL was better at blocking the simplified offense under Oliver, whereas all it took was one öööö up to kill a drive when running the more complicated offense under Marshall. Our offense was EXTREMELY basic against VT - we literally just destroyed them at the LOS play after play after play. There was very little misdirection or trickery involved, so the joke's on the OP because there was no gimmick.
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And it was glorious.
 
If you think coaches make all the right decisions regarding personnel you're crazy. I'm pretty confident I know exactly what Marshall can do as our QB. With that said, I do not feel confident in knowing what Oliver can do or his ceiling. What I do know is he's ran a limited play selection. Now the question is was it because he can't run a larger more complex playbook, or is it because the other teams have yet to stop the limited plays he has run. Until I see him personally crap the bed running a greater play selection, I'm going to assume PJ is smart enough to keep it simple if simple is working. I personally would like to go with Oliver the rest of the way. If he gets in over his head and we need a change up then we can always put Marshall back in. All Oliver has done since he's played is scored TDs. He done everything he's been asked to do and success has followed. The few times he's been asked to do more (Duke for example) I've not seen him look worse the Marshall. I really believe the path to a bowl game is with TO as QB.
 
johncu said:
TBH I'm starting to think that the biggest difference is that the OL was better at blocking the simplified offense under Oliver, whereas all it took was one öööö up to kill a drive when running the more complicated offense under Marshall. Our offense was EXTREMELY basic against VT - we literally just destroyed them at the LOS play after play after play. There was very little misdirection or trickery involved, so the joke's on the OP because there was no gimmick.
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I regret I didn’t pay more attention, but which C was at odds with CPJ over changing blocking schemes at the line v Duke? I think it was Lee. Cooper started vs VT and I haven’t watched the replay to see how much of the field Lee saw at G or C.
 
killerbuzz42 said:
I regret I didn’t pay more attention, but which C was at odds with CPJ over changing blocking schemes at the line v Duke? I think it was Lee. Cooper started vs VT and I haven’t watched the replay to see how much of the field Lee saw at G or C.
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CPJ has been clear from the beginning of the year that Cooper was going to play as much at C as his health allowed. As he's gotten back into game shape, he's gradually reclaimed his long-time hold on the position.

The line screwing up their reads, miscommunicating, and not following the play book has nothing to do with Lee moving over in favor of Cooper.
 
18in32 said:
CPJ has been clear from the beginning of the year that Cooper was going to play as much at C as his health allowed. As he's gotten back into game shape, he's gradually reclaimed his long-time hold on the position.

The line screwing up their reads, miscommunicating, and not following the play book has nothing to do with Lee moving over in favor of Cooper.
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I’ve always been under the impression that the C had some responsibility for blocking assignments?
 
killerbuzz42 said:
I’ve always been under the impression that the C had some responsibility for blocking assignments?
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I think they're all supposed to communicate what they see.

My point is that CPJ has never said Cooper was taking over the role because Lee has screwed up in-game communication or adjustments. Cooper was always going to resume the role, and everybody on the line has been blamed for the failures. Even all-star Parker Braun mentioned in some of his interviews how the responsibility was shared.

Now, maybe privately they all know that player X is the real problem, IDK. But the line communications problems were discussed publicly as being shared by all of them.
 
With the push our O-Line got against VPI, I'd imagine that TQM would have moved the ball too. Oliver just seemed like a was a slippery runner, where Marshall is a race horse.
 
Hmmmm, trust the geniuses on a message board with no experience coaching or knowledge of the locker room, of trust the coach?

Really difficult decision here.
 
18in32 said:
I think they're all supposed to communicate what they see.

My point is that CPJ has never said Cooper was taking over the role because Lee has screwed up in-game communication or adjustments. Cooper was always going to resume the role, and everybody on the line has been blamed for the failures. Even all-star Parker Braun mentioned in some of his interviews how the responsibility was shared.

Now, maybe privately they all know that player X is the real problem, IDK. But the line communications problems were discussed publicly as being shared by all of them.
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All I was suggesting is that who plays where along the line has an impact on how the unit performs and I knew there was some commentary regarding someone changing the blocking schemes at the line in a previous game from a position that has been platooned this year due to injury. I never knew for sure who it was but there has surely been wide variation in the units performance all season. I was curious about the impact of that scenario on the performance vs VT. I thought it odd that Lee did not appear at G in the first series as I was pretty sure he was a starter before the injury to Cooper.
 
Oh we will see Oliver a few times. And guess what he will run... quarterback draw.
 
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