Impact on Recruiting

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

WHERE WERE THE LINEMAN HE WAS GOING TO SIGN WHEN THEY SIGNED THEIR LOI IN DECEMBER????

We signed a highly rated RB and our highest rated DL but we couldn’t find a single OL to sign besides the one grad transfer?!?

When we all ööööing knew (even us morons here knew), OL was going to be a massive problem.

Wut?

 

[Allen Koholic]

In 1987, we only won two games. We beat Indiana State and the Citadel. Three years later we won a share of the MNC. I don’t think we are beyond redemption at all.

Well, I doubt history is going to repeat itself, since we couldn't even beat Citadel this time.

 

[Walton]

Bobby Ross was a proven big league football coach that was not blowing smoke up everyone's ass 24/7. That's the difference--Ross went to work with a plan--a football plan. Ross also had a staff that included George O'Leary and Ralph Friedgen. No comparison to our current coordinators. I'll go way out on a limb and predict we will not be playing for the national championship in three years.

And they still lost a ton of games for a couple of years. The simple point is only morons want to fire any coach after 3 games. You support your coach through the transition which is 3 years minimum. We aren't a blueblood program that a coach can come into and pick and choose from players to fit any scheme he would like. It takes time and the offense re-work from both a technique and talent point of view is enormous. Tech fans can ignore the plain evidence but basically everyone else in college football knew it.

I'm sure Collins knows it but he doesn't want to throw his players under the bus; seems he has more class than many Tech fans.

 

[gtchief]

How much space did we have in the class after the mandate was given to honor existing commits?

 

[GoGATech]

WHERE WERE THE LINEMAN HE WAS GOING TO SIGN WHEN THEY SIGNED THEIR LOI IN DECEMBER????

You might as well save that air lol. Some people are so damn stupid and arrogant that they can't even see it. I'd like to know how many of the one's on here that in full retard flame mode have ever buckled a chin strap.

 

[ibeeballin]

I beg to differ. Even a 17 year old can discern the difference between "you'll be playing for championships" and losing to a winless FCS program at home. Until today, Collins' forte was his honesty with the kids. Now the kids and the entire social media universe know the bloom is off the rose. The emperor has no clothes, and add a dozen cliches of your choosing. Saturday was a worst case scenario for an outfit that was trying to sell a wholesale restructuring the brand. As the embarrassing losses pile up this season, it will be difficult, maybe impossible, for this staff to re-establish their credibility.

History doesn’t support your argument

Per 247

Michigan after App St lost
2008 class rank 11

Baylor after Liberty loss
2018 class rank 29

USC after Citadel loss
2016 rank 25

 

[Yukonwreck]

And they still lost a ton of games for a couple of years. The simple point is only morons want to fire any coach after 3 games. You support your coach through the transition which is 3 years minimum. We aren't a blueblood program that a coach can come into and pick and choose from players to fit any scheme he would like. It takes time and the offense re-work from both a technique and talent point of view is enormous. Tech fans can ignore the plain evidence but basically everyone else in college football knew it.

I'm sure Collins knows it but he doesn't want to throw his players under the bus; seems he has more class than many Tech fans.

I don't want to fire anyone. In fact, I like Collins, but that was an atrocious performance at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME for what he is trying to accomplish. And this is not 1987 anymore. Mass communication has put every aspect of every program under a constant microscope. I think most fans, football fans, not necessarily Tech fan, would agree maybe a little less Game of Thrones and Waffle House shtick and a little more focus on the Citadel might have been in order.

 

[Walton]

I think not signing a transfer QB might have been mistake.

I think the counter argument is:

1) This was going to be a bad season no matter what; I expect the staff knew this and didn't see the point of trying to fit a new QB into this Motley bunch on offense.

2) What QB would have wanted to transfer to Tech given what he knew about the program and the offense? We would have literally had to lie through our teeth to a QB to get him to come in this season. I'm glad Collins and the staff didn't do that.

3) OL. Same deal: I expect Key would be a draw but he didn't have time to do that for this recruiting season. He will going forward. Also, young OL do need time to develop. There are very few instant fixes.

4) That is why this is a 3 year rebuild (minimum). QB and OL recruits in 2020 and 21, maybe a grad transfer or two. QBs need at least a year to develop and OL 2. (If we sign any 5 stars or near 5 stars then they can help sooner).

 

[Yukonwreck]

History doesn’t support your argument

Per 247

Michigan after App St lost
2008 class rank 11

Baylor after Liberty loss
2018 class rank 29

USC after Citadel loss
2016 rank 25

were any of those losing teams working with a coaching staff in their first season, attempting to "re-brand" Michigan, Baylor, or South Carolina?

 

[ibeeballin]

were any of those losing teams working with a coaching staff in their first season, attempting to "re-brand" Michigan, Baylor, or South Carolina?

The beloved Matt Rhule was rebranding Baylor as not a rape hub

 

[Walton]

I don't want to fire anyone. In fact, I like Collins, but that was an atrocious performance at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME for what he is trying to accomplish. And this is not 1987 anymore. Mass communication has put every aspect of every program under a constant microscope. I think most fans, football fans, not necessarily Tech fan, would agree maybe a little less Game of Thrones and Waffle House shtick and a little more focus on the Citadel might have been in order.

Well fine, we are pretty close then. I don't care that anyone is mad about Citadel; I'm mad about it but it does no one any good to blow up out of proportion and to cut your nose off to spite your face.

It was going to be a bad year no matter what, the fact that it is slightly worse than we expected is irrelevant to any long term goals. Also, I don't tell a man how to do his job. Johnson knew how to run offense and many fans that criticized him just showed they didn't have a clue. Collins might be awful at time management and managing kickers but he knows recruiting and branding. I'm not going to judge how he does it since he has a good track record and I don't.

 

[Tshirt Man]

I have seen very few say we should fire Collins now.

Myself and I think many others are worried that recruiting is not enough to win games at Tech. This loss is on the coaches.

Most of the ones giving him shit are not saying fire him, we are saying that he needs to get his shit together and call better games, pick a QB, and try to look like he is not out of his league when Saturday rolls around.

I've said it before but will say it again, he is fine as head couch. Great recruiter and cheerleader but he needs top notch coordinators for gameday decisions to be successful. If we can some how get them, I think he'll be fine. Until then, I don't think there is anyway to get enough talent to Tech to be where we all want to be.

 

[User 10337]

No I am not talking about Nesbitt, the poster stated that CPJ couldn't win without a QB that fit his system and then talked about CPJ winning without a QB that fit his system.

How on earth did CPJ have time to recruit Jaybo Shaw that late in the game? It isn't like Collins did not recruit anyone, so he should have got QB if the situation is really that desperate. Or pick up a graduate transfer, there happens to be a couple of transfers tearing up the NCAA right now btw.

Well, Jaybo was going to go to MTSU until PJ gave him the call. Literally that easy, that’s not a hard decision to make if you’re Jaybo...at all.

 

[tomknight]

With you only. Maybe if your beloved were here still, we'd win the SoCon and lost every FBS game. It's happened before.

….As the embarrassing losses pile up this season, it will be difficult, maybe impossible, for this staff to re-establish their credibility.

 

[gtchief]

With you only. Maybe if your beloved were here still, we'd win the SoCon and lost every FBS game. It's happened before.

Hey we beat FSU that year!

 

[tomknight]

I don't want to fire anyone. In fact, I like Collins, but that was an atrocious performance at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME for what he is trying to accomplish. And this is not 1987 anymore. Mass communication has put every aspect of every program under a constant microscope. I think most fans, football fans, not necessarily Tech fan, would agree maybe a little less Game of Thrones and Waffle House shtick and a little more focus on the Citadel might have been in order.

How do you know they spent all last week at Waffle House and watching Game of Thrones? How do you know what they were doing all week?

Please share.

 

[Walton]

I have seen very few say we should fire Collins now.

Myself and I think many others are worried that recruiting is not enough to win games at Tech. This loss is on the coaches.

Most of the ones giving him öööö are not saying fire him, we are saying that he needs to get his öööö together and call better games, pick a QB, and try to look like he is not out of his league when Saturday rolls around.

I've said it before but will say it again, he is fine as head couch. Great recruiter and cheerleader but he needs top notch coordinators for gameday decisions to be successful. If we can some how get them, I think he'll be fine. Until then, I don't think there is anyway to get enough talent to Tech to be where we all want to be.

I guess I'm including stuff like: I'm done with him, I'm not going to give him a chance, etc. A few other comments in that vain: not just on ST, but TOS and twitter, etc.

A percentage of fans turned on Gailey after he lost to UGA his first season. I think it was about 20%. All they did was make it a little more miserable for the next 7-8 years. Gailey wasn't going to be fired and was going to be given a chance to put his stamp on the program. A small percentage hated Johnson from game one. I think some have already done that with Collins because they don't like his style. I don't understand that logic.

 

[Yukonwreck]

Well fine, we are pretty close then. I don't care that anyone is mad about Citadel; I'm mad about it but it does no one any good to blow up out of proportion and to cut your nose off to spite your face.

It was going to be a bad year no matter what, the fact that it is slightly worse than we expected is irrelevant to any long term goals. Also, I don't tell a man how to do his job. Johnson knew how to run offense and many fans that criticized him just showed they didn't have a clue. Collins might be awful at time management and managing kickers but he knows recruiting and branding. I'm not going to judge how he does it since he has a good track record and I don't.

Realistically, yes, this year was always going to be a down year. I said four wins, five tops. I was wrong. But there are people out there still talking about going to a bowl. As shocking as the Citadel loss is, I think we played more poorly against South Florida. That there was no visible improvement in performance from week two to week 3 against an FCS team is bothersome.

 

[ibeeballin]

I guess all the facts ran out

 

[cbee]

I've seen plenty of posts from known Scheme Firsters clearly reveling in the failure of CGC. Who absolutely deserves all the criticism for the Citadel that can be heaped upon him. But it's clear that the Scheme Firsters are ööööing loving this.

Good news - PJ quit and still ain't coming back!

Yes, I was and am a big CPJ and TO fan. And, I am a sidewalk fan (to some, akin to being a leper without right to an opinion).With that said, I have been attending Tech football since the later days of Bobby Dodd and have never wanted to see GT not succeed. What I saw Saturday was an undisciplined, unprepared and embarrassing performance on the field and on the sidelines. The press conference intimating that the referees screwed up is also embarrassing. Our coaches should know the rules and someone on the staff has to keep the head coach apprised. That couldn’t have happened Saturday given the mis-management of time and time outs. I do not care if he is 3 games or 3 years into his program, the head coach is responsible. So far, what he has produced is bravado and hype such that, except for winning, we look like many of the other schools. Coach the guys up to play sound, disciplined football and you won’t need gimmicks (money down, juice crew, etc.) to build a successful program.