It’s Comical How Bad of a Head Coach Geoff Collins Is/Was

Some quick stats as to how GT stood among its conference peers during the three full years under the reign of error. (as in I pulled these together quickly)
2019
all games:
13th in scoring offense. 14th in total offense
10th in scoring defense 11th in total defense.

conference games only
14th in scoring offense. 12th in scoring defense
14th in total offense. 10th in total defense.

2020 (out of 15 teams, with the one-year Notre Dame was a football member too. Huh huh. Member.)
All games
12th in scoring offense. 13th in scoring defense
11th in total offense. 9th in total defense.

Conference games only
14th in scoring offense. 14th in scoring defense.
10th in total offense. 14th in total defense.

2021
All games:
8th in scoring offense. 12th in scoring defense
8th in total offense. 12th in total defense.

Conference games only:
12th in scoring offense. 13th in scoring defense.
10th in total offense. 12th in total defense.
 
Collins tenure was a colossal failure at all levels. Any silver lining exists in the same way that 9-11 had a silver lining, technically true perhaps but we would've been far better off in every aspect if it had not happened. Let's not delude ourselves with any such platitudes.
 
Walton said:
We needed rebranding for multiple reasons. Unless we decided to stay an option program forever, then HS recruits needed to hear something new. Now some of the rebranding was nonsense or stupid but FWIW, we are still using a lot of it.

Like many of Collins tenure, he had some good ideas and some bad. He wasn’t smart enough to figure out the difference.
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I thought that’s what you meant. I don’t call that rebranding. I call that changing systems.

By my thinking, if we needed rebranding after going to 2 Orange Bowls, winning the conference CG, winning/tying for division 4x, reaching the top 10 twice, a Gator Bowl, a Peach Bowl, and a coach inducted into the CF HoF, then something’s wrong.

We did have to change systems and develop some different skills.
 
All that rebranding was just trash rhetoric. I see threads talking about Key trying to bring back toughness to GT. Well, that was Johnson’s calling card. His OLines were nasty. He got criticized for physically getting on players. Several of his QB’s were the toughest dudes on the team and several of his WR’s ended up in the NFL. Johnson put more WR’s in the league than he did RB’s. We absolutely could have changed coaches and systems without some sort of magical transition. It was all worthless hype that led to the worst stretch of GT football ever.

Football is about blocking and running. The system does not matter and is just a distraction by the media and fly by night fans.
 
OptionJacket said:
All that rebranding was just trash rhetoric. I see threads talking about Key trying to bring back toughness to GT. Well, that was Johnson’s calling card. His OLines were nasty. He got criticized for physically getting on players. Several of his QB’s were the toughest dudes on the team and several of his WR’s ended up in the NFL. Johnson put more WR’s in the league than he did RB’s. We absolutely could have changed coaches and systems without some sort of magical transition. It was all worthless hype that led to the worst stretch of GT football ever.

Football is about blocking and running. The system does not matter and is just a distraction by the media and fly by night fans.
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I agree. Yes, we did have to change systems. It was a significant change, and it was always going to take some time, particularly along the OL. Some people say that changing the QB position was a difficult transition, but we were playing a highly touted FR in 2020. That was important but not terribly difficult. It took exactly one full recruiting class to find Sims. OL was the constraining task. That's a system change, an on-field football thing.

A rebranding is a marketing thing. It involves colors, logos, slogans, labels, styles, music, value propositions, advertising, etc. And hype. All the stuff we saw happening, none of which directly impacted on-field performance, which fell into progressively deeper suckage. There was, however, an indirect impact of distraction and misplaced priorities. Why? Because TFG was living those misplaced priorities.

IMPO, that is why the team turned around so quickly when CBK stepped in. Immediately the team saw the return to football priorities. Immediately the distractions ceased and focus on performance returned. This is what gives me greatest hope for 2023. Performance may still not be great, but it can be further improved, and a good season enjoyed.
 
jts1207 said:
This thread is dumb. Yea he sucked but Judas inherited a much better situation
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Bull. TFG left a much bigger mess than he inherited. There was no reason whatsoever for GT be as bad as it was during 2019-2021. Even with the transition from the Option we should have never been as bad as we were. GT lost to the Citadel for crying out loud. With the talent CPJ left GT should have hovered around .500 in 2019-2020, and if TFG could recruit as bigly as you guys think he did we should have been bowling in 2021-2022.
 
jts1207 said:
This thread is dumb. Yea he sucked but Judas inherited a much better situation
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Granted the thread is old news but ..... what you say is Not true. His best players came from CPJ. Why do you say this?
 
OptionJacket said:
All that rebranding was just trash rhetoric. I see threads talking about Key trying to bring back toughness to GT. Well, that was Johnson’s calling card. His OLines were nasty. He got criticized for physically getting on players. Several of his QB’s were the toughest dudes on the team and several of his WR’s ended up in the NFL. J
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If you read the old PJ playbook that is floated around the web, the coaching philosophy early on in states quite clearly that toughness in a quarterback, both mental and physical, is a must.
So, in that vein, when I've seen Key declaring he wants more toughness, I too harken back to PJ's adages and how he wanted his teams to play.

One of the nastiest O lines I ever watched was Southern under Hatcher in his first year. For a guy whose own offensive worldview didn't involve much, if any, cut blocking, they scooped the living s000 out of the folks in front of them that year as Hatcher tried to implement an option system, which he had never coached.

any way, if we can get close to that kind of hard nosed football, whether there is some or no option at all, under Key, we'll have a chance to be a helluva lot more competitive.
No more money down, no more juice crew and maybe the pregame highlights will go back to including Gary Lee's run through the fog and Roddy's run to the hedges.
 
MidnightJacket said:
What's this story? I've heard there's a chance we may be able to get Derrick Moore back in the future, but never heard the story of why he left in the 1st place.
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I had posted this just after Clown got the axe.
But, if you must know, here we go again....

So Moore's salary was paid through the FCA. There was a gentlemen's agreement with the head coach that he would make a donation to FCA on Moore's behalf to cover his salary, or WTTE. Gailey did it. PJ did it.
There is a deadline to make the donation. Moore goes to Clown and tells him the deadline is coming up and his donation is needed. Clown gives him the right, right, right, I'll get right on it.
A day or two before the deadline, no check from Clown.
Moore calls over to his office to see what's up.
Clown has someone else - doesn't do this himself, mind you - call Moore and say, "Coach doesn't think he'll able to do that this year."
Just another example of Clown's lack of accountability. And with that, Moore started looking around and ran right into Shane Beamer's arms.
 
swampsting said:
I had posted this just after Clown got the axe.
But, if you must know, here we go again....

So Moore's salary was paid through the FCA. There was a gentlemen's agreement with the head coach that he would make a donation to FCA on Moore's behalf to cover his salary, or WTTE. Gailey did it. PJ did it.
There is a deadline to make the donation. Moore goes to Clown and tells him the deadline is coming up and his donation is needed. Clown gives him the right, right, right, I'll get right on it.
A day or two before the deadline, no check from Clown.
Moore calls over to his office to see what's up.
Clown has someone else - doesn't do this himself, mind you - call Moore and say, "Coach doesn't think he'll able to do that this year."
Just another example of Clown's lack of accountability. And with that, Moore started looking around and ran right into Shane Beamer's arms.
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this is really, really bad. DMoore is worth every penny. Godly leadership is sorely needed in D1 football and the fact we let him leave and the subsequent circumstances is a tragedy. I bet every kid that came in contact with him is better for it.
 
I'm just glad we have a forum where we can call Clown a Clown, unlike TOS (which I pretty much have turned my back on), especially for those of us who had to work late on Fridays to meet a deadline every so often, then get 3-4 hours of sleep and then drive 4 hours to atlanta to watch Tech play, literally risking our lives (and others on the interstate) and spending hundreds if not thousands of hard earned dollars to watch Clown continue to make the program less and less competitive.

So, so, so glad his circus has left town. Or at least the tech campus.

Buddy of mine and I were rehashing some of the many lowlights of the Clown reign of error, like him changing his mind on fourth down after the crowd booed his initial decision against Northern Illinois.
Or calling timeout just before Tobias scored what would have been a go ahead TD against The Citadel
Or how he took over coaching punt protection and we had four punts blocked in four games

Good times.
 
I keep going back to "y'all so unprepared".

I am hopeful that Key spent so much time with Saban and Buster with Kirby. Only because they hopefully learned what it meant to be prepared.
 
swampsting said:
I'm just glad we have a forum where we can call Clown a Clown, unlike TOS (which I pretty much have turned my back on), especially for those of us who had to work late on Fridays to meet a deadline every so often, then get 3-4 hours of sleep and then drive 4 hours to atlanta to watch Tech play, literally risking our lives (and others on the interstate) and spending hundreds if not thousands of hard earned dollars to watch Clown continue to make the program less and less competitive.

So, so, so glad his circus has left town. Or at least the tech campus.

Buddy of mine and I were rehashing some of the many lowlights of the Clown reign of error, like him changing his mind on fourth down after the crowd booed his initial decision against Northern Illinois.
Or calling timeout just before Tobias scored what would have been a go ahead TD against The Citadel
Or how he took over coaching punt protection and we had four punts blocked in four games

Good times.
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Reading all these posts, here is, as was my thoughts on the situation; The AD was obviously trying to make a departure from the program PJ had, and he got sucked in by a guy who was a hot name at the time. The problem was he wasn’t properly vetted and we saw the results. It is so similar to what FSU did with Willie Taggart.
Their idea of “cool” and “hip” doesn’t play at all well with recruits and players as they think. The best players want to be pushed and worked, and prepared to be their best. They don’t want a side show. The kids that are turned on by a circus atmosphere aren’t the ones you want.
Key seems to get it and understand what it takes to knock heads with the big programs, and at the same time to be able to do it under the academic rigors at GT.
 
donsue said:
Reading all these posts, here is, as was my thoughts on the situation; The AD was obviously trying to make a departure from the program PJ had, and he got sucked in by a guy who was a hot name at the time.
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Being on the hot seat at Temple should have been a clue. Stansbury was full on retard though so he and Clown probably saw eye to eye. Thankfully Cabrera fired both!
 
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