Johnson/Option Haters - You are forgiven

CarsonNewmanJacket said:
Well when AF went 9-4, with 2 losses within one possession to 2 top 10 teams is pretty damn good...

Every team has major injuries, but not every team was on 3rd string offensive linemen in 3-4 different positions, depending on what game you look at. PJ didn't recruit what the AP thought was good recruits, but look at several records and NFL players that he got, which were considered scrubs and FCS talent by AP and ESPN.

He had the 33rd best offense in the NCAA in 2018.
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Having 3 cupcakes (2 of 'em FCS teams lol) on your schedule helps pad those rushing stats. We were good at rushing the ball in 2018 but near dead-last in passing it. Of course, when you're running it 15+ more times per game than the 2nd place guy, you better have good rushing stats!

Every coach has some good NFL recruit success stories. PJ is one of 'em. Baker Mayfield was a freaking walk-on at Texas Tech.

PJ's time here was done. Some of it was his own doing, some of it wasn't but the guy clearly had had enough, as had most fans, and did us a favor on how he exited. Clown could learn a lot from him.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Having 3 cupcakes (2 of 'em FCS teams lol) on your schedule helps pad those rushing stats. We were good at rushing the ball in 2018 but near dead-last in passing it. Of course, when you're running it 15+ more times per game than the 2nd place guy, you better have good rushing stats!

Every coach has some good NFL recruit success stories. PJ is one of 'em. Baker Mayfield was a freaking walk-on at Texas Tech.

PJ's time here was done. Some of it was his own doing, some of it wasn't but the guy clearly had had enough, as had most fans, and did us a favor on how he exited. Clown could learn a lot from him.
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2018, we averaged 5.7 YPR... 2019 it dropped to 4.1...

PJ has a ton of them. PJ was the only one who wanted JT to play QB, and he became the best TO QB ever.
RamblinWreck92 said:
2018 vs Duke wasn't a close game but PJ decided to Death March it in the 4th qtr to try and get us back into a game we were losing by 21 pts....
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Congrats? I mean damn, keep picking and choosing games... 2014 vs MSU wasn't close, but it still ended up being a 15 pt. win.
 
whiskey clear said:
For those that like to focus on single team matchups and rivalries. How big would the biggest uga win streak over GT be without CPJ? Here’s a hint…>9
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not to mention, because of CPJ we still have SOME time left to avoid UGA breaking that streak. It's not looking too great, but at least he was able to beat them Kirby's first year.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
2010 was first losing season since BL but wouldn't be the last of our PJ losing seasons.

Making USAF out to be world beaters is a new one, I'll give you that. At least the Juice Crew doesn't pretend that the Citadel was a good team lol.

Every team has major injuries every year so I tire of hearing that for 2015. Besides, we were very healthy when we got beat by Notre Dame early on.
PJ never did sustain success nor use it to improve recruiting. It's one of his downfalls at GT, though he absolutely achieved some great success as well.

But he's not the Bear Bryant some fans make him out to be. I don't give AF how bad Clown ended up being: we were dead in the water at the end of 2018. That Bozo wasn't the answer doesn't change that, as much as the PJ Fan Club wishes otherwise.
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The Juice Crew doesn't pretend that the Citadel was a good team, instead they pretend that the loss wasn't Geoff's fault.

2019 was the first losing season under CGC; but wouldn't be the last of CGC losing seasons.

But CGC is not the recruiting and marketing guru some fans make him out to be, we were dead in the water to start this season. That CGC wasn't the recruiting answer doesn't change that, as much as the Juice Crew wishes otherwise.
 
aeromech said:
The Juice Crew doesn't pretend that the Citadel was a good team, instead they pretend that the loss wasn't Geoff's fault.

2019 was the first losing season under CGC; but wouldn't be the last of CGC losing seasons.

But CGC is not the recruiting and marketing guru some fans make him out to be, we were dead in the water to start this season. That CGC wasn't the recruiting answer doesn't change that, as much as the Juice Crew wishes otherwise.
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Nobody is on the "juice crew". Also, very few want to return to the flexbone.
 
JJacket said:
Nobody is on the "juice crew". Also, very few want to return to the flexbone.
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RW92 and GoGaTech are still suffering juice withdrawls though.

Also, everybody was glad that Chan was gone. The fans had enough of him in 2007 and booed him out of the stadium. Trying to pretend he would've beat UGA in 2008 is just a sad look. Richt owned Chan both mentally and physically, it took a coaching change to get the players to actually believe they could beat UGA. Chan had totally lost the mental game.
 
Some stupidity should not be forgiven. This topic applies. It’s one thing to dislike a scheme for “style.” Not enough passing etc. I get that and feel the same about Os that utilize a ton of short passes.

But it’s another thing to try and rewrite history, cherry pick stats, cherry pick certain other teams like the BS with Duke. Not to mention ignoring the biggest achievements, Orange Bowls, ACC championship games, wins over uga etc. People that do that are complete imbeciles and they really aren’t worth arguing with. Argue with a fool repeatedly and what are you?

CPJ had some failures. Or some shortcomings at least. His 3O scheme and how he ran it was not even close to that.

He’s a HOF coach and Tech was damn lucky to have him. Especially as underfunded as the program was during his tenure. That was shameful and makes his successes all the more remarkable. Tech will be damn fortunate to match his successes again. Hopefully it will happen. But it won’t if Tech doesn’t spend to be competitive.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
He inherited the 33rd best offense in 2018. That team averaged 408 YPG and 325 RYPG.
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Yeah, minus the QB and best OL (who was leaving regardless before any more stupid takes). Oh right and our option OC quit, leaving A-backs galore, no P5 (hell maybe D1) QB’s, and no TE’s by design. Small details.

Why didn’t you share the defense he inherited? A lot of those guys sure stuck around for a while.
 
gtchief said:
Yeah, minus the QB and best OL (who was leaving regardless before any more stupid takes). Oh right and our option OC quit, leaving A-backs galore, no P5 (hell maybe D1) QB’s, and no TE’s by design. Small details.

Why didn’t you share the defense he inherited? A lot of those guys sure stuck around for a while.
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You mean the QB... that PJ recruited as a RB? He has Tobias Oliver, who was a really good QB at Northside, had 3,000 yards passing and rushing, and took down soon to be UGAg 4 star Jake Fromm, James Graham who was really good at Fitzgerald, and was the #17 ATH, and the OL was the exact same except for Braun.

I know his defense was pretty bad that year, but the guys he did inherit were young pieces that could've easily been All Americans with the right coaching (i.e. Juanyeh, Tariq, Swilling, Charlie Thomas, King, etc.). He had the future mapped out great, but Collins couldn't handle it.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
You mean the QB... that PJ recruited as a RB? He has Tobias Oliver, who was a really good QB at Northside, had 3,000 yards passing and rushing, and took down soon to be UGAg 4 star Jake Fromm, James Graham who was really good at Fitzgerald, and was the #17 ATH, and the OL was the exact same except for Braun.

I know his defense was pretty bad that year, but the guys he did inherit were young pieces that could've easily been All Americans with the right coaching (i.e. Juanyeh, Tariq, Swilling, Charlie Thomas, King, etc.). He had the future mapped out great, but Collins couldn't handle it.
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Could have been All Americans based on what? That is nothing but speculation.

You want to know the truth about recruiting and star rankings? Go listen to ESPNU College Sports Full Ride from Wednesday. Mike Farrell finally told the truth about Rivals star rankings. As he put “Everyone is a 3* now because otherwise it hurts the subscription service.…There aren’t many 2* players left when there should be”

Now go back and see how many got the magic 1* or 2* to 3* bump despite no P5 and low G5 offers once committed.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Could have been All Americans based on what? That is nothing but speculation.

You want to know the truth about recruiting and star rankings? Go listen to ESPNU College Sports Full Ride from Wednesday. Mike Farrell finally told the truth about Rivals star rankings. As he put “Everyone is a 3* now because otherwise it hurts the subscription service.…There aren’t many 2* players left when there should be”

Now go back and see how many got the magic 1* or 2* to 3* bump despite no P5 and low G5 offers once committed.
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The 2018 team had 8 players who will receive an an NFL paycheck return in 2019.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Could have been All Americans based on what? That is nothing but speculation.
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So is assuming the players CPJ inherited would have succeeded without him. Such things go both ways.

In the end, CPJ put more achievements on the board than most Tech coaches and he did it with less institutional support. I agree we were lucky to have him.

And when the GTAA wanted a change, he had the character and class to retire before the bowl game, saving us $$$ and giving TStan enough time to royally %$#@ up the next hire.
 
gtchief said:
Lots of revisionist nonsense in here. Acting like things were all hunky-dory at the end of 2018 just because there was a little more money. That bed was made a decade earlier when an option coach was hired. Clown couldn’t pull off a transition in four years, shame on him. Clown also inherited a roster that couldn’t pass or run at will on the ööööing Citadel. A 50 scholly FCS team. That giant turd is at the feet of DRad.
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Holy öööö, what an embarrassingly bad take. Posts like this are why OP felt the need to even create this thread. Your attitude is why we got the last 3 years, and here you are tripling down on that stupid.
 
Flywheel said:
I don't think this thread was needed here, but it'd do well as a letter to our boosters. They wouldn't give the time of day to the future hall-of-famer but gave CGC everything he asked for (so I'm told anyway).

If all that's true, I hope they know the last 4 years are their fault, and the prior 11 could have been even better. I want them to know this because I don't want a repeat now. I want them to take their finger off the scales, let Cabrera and the new AD fix this, and donate without strings attached.

One hopes that paying a combined $14M in buyout to get CGC here and then to leave was a painful lesson in that which won't be forgotten.
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Yep. Hearing stories about how CPJ’s DC hires were rejected because we wouldn’t pay the modest salaries needed to even compete with our close rivals infuriates me. No wonder we ended up with Al Groh out of the bargain bin or Ted “Bend and then Break” Roof. Duke blew by us in terms of financial support of their football program, yet we’re surprised that we can’t sustain high-level success?
 
johncu said:
Holy öööö, what an embarrassingly bad take. Posts like this are why OP felt the need to even create this thread. Your attitude is why we got the last 3 years, and here you are tripling down on that stupid.
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The fact that PJ stans now want to pretend there was no transition necessary is the most retarded gaslight I’ve heard in a while on this entire board, and I mean the ENTIRE board. JfC

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