Look no further than the kicker position. The previous guy had no clue at evaluating anything and used personal feelings and propaganda to justify his moves. But in sports the scoreboard doesn’t believe or disbelieve. It just is.
I love ya super but your gold tinted Tech man glasses are blinding you to the truth. Your argument would have merit if Key had not been a part of this horrible staff from day one. From day one. Look what he’s done. Created OL that could be placed in museums as realistic statues.
I seldom if ever disagree with you, but I do on this. I doubt Saban would stand in the say of anyone with a new opportunity, especially when he can find replacements so easily. Plus, you might be able to argue that Bama seems to have been equally offensively potent both with and without Key. They were great with Key there and have remained good since Key left, although certainly not as potent last year and this.
You would give him credit for not making the dumbest coaching decision since Collins was fired? You are really really too kind.
Don’t forget fsu had scrubs in 4th Qtr. I do love Pyron tho.
Neither of us know how much input Key had in recruiting our current O-line. Like everything else with Collins, I doubt Key had much input at all. The first year transition was an obvious challenge in moving from the TO to whatever kind of offense Collins thought he was running. But the talent level now on the O-line seems to be at an all-time low, and that's not coaching; that's recruiting. Look, I didn't like Key as O-line coach, but, based on so many other things that Collins screwed up, I don't know now if Key is a good O-line coach or not. I think he is probably a lot better than what we have seen in games.
What was that dumb decision? I don't remember now.
It’s actually his job to get a hell of a lot done on that front before the season ends. In fact it would be nice to have the next guy hired before bowls start.
FSU didn't have scrubs in in the 3rd quarter though, and that's when it first became obvious that Pyron made a difference --- a BIG difference
I expect some kind of announcement, but not necessarily a hiring, the week after we go to the cesspool.
Not playing Pyron
Well we do know actually. Rivals lists recruiter next to each recruit that signed. Brent’s name is next to all of them except one player.
I'm not sure how much of that decision was on Long rather than Key, but as HC Key certainly deserves the blame. But go back a few weeks and ask why Collins didn't use either Pyron or Gibson when it was obvious we were going to lose to Clemson, Old Miss, and UCF. Hell, even Gibson might have been able to find his game (if he has one) in that time, and Pyron definitely would have been able to.
Lol. If Key wasn’t the primary point man on recruiting AND coaching the OL. Tech deserves his paid salary paid back in full. Yes Collins is the most inept coach I’ve ever seen in P5. But you are giving Key a pretty deluded scapegoat claiming Collins was suppressing Key’s greatness. That’s laughable.
But do we know how many of those he recruited were actually at the top of the list he was going after? Maybe he recruited others who turned Tech down.
So Brent Key had no input on the OL he was coaching and he had no input on which quarterback to play as a head coach. You’re right, he’s a victim not the responsible person. Let’s offer him the contract on Monday.
It would appear that Thacker and Long (although I am still not convinced about Long) were suppressing them. There is no reason not to think that Collins didn't suppress Key too. If Key could produce good lines at Bama, one would think he would at least be able to produce a decent line at Tech.