Make your case in defense of Geoff Lewis here

I think @jts1207 is right in regards to CGC. The fact is: we can see improvement from last year. Our OC called some plays and we were wide open. We just didn’t do a good job executing. Our team and coaching staff are learning as they go. When everything starts clicking, I think we’ll put together a string of wins. So break out the juice glasses. I need a drink. Here’s to our ACC Championship in a year or two.
 
Keyser Soze said:
If we don’t build on this loss our next recruiting class will suck
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We needed to get 5 or 6 wins this year to keep the recruiting momentum going. Looks like that isn’t likely now as we have very little margin of error and just lost one of the games that should have been an automatic win. We needed to show any semblance of improvement this year.
 
jdubjacket said:
Agreed. We’ve got all these guys flexing and showing how ripped they are under our new S&C program but the OL is still getting blown up and DL had -0- sacks against a bad MAC OL.
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Reminds me of that RB transfer from Stanford a few years ago - Skov? Dude was chiseled out of granite but couldn't run for anything.
 
aeromech said:
My defense of Geoff Collins is this. He can recruit and the players seem to like him. Give him good offensive and defensive coordinators and let him be the face of the program while the assistants run everything. One of the assistants will be "coach in waiting" (waiting for Geoff's contract to run out).
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I see where you are going but I don't think it works. At least not on Saturday. Ok let the 2 OC's run the show; call the plays, etc. We still need a guy that knows when to call a time out; when to punt vs go for it; when to overrule the OC. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone on staff with that ability. We have a bunch of glorified position coaches and one guy who wants them all to like each other.

We are seriously ööööed. I don't see any way out of this mess.
 
00Burdell said:
I see where you are going but I don't think it works. At least not on Saturday. Ok let the 2 OC's run the show; call the plays, etc. We still need a guy that knows when to call a time out; when to punt vs go for it; when to overrule the OC. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone on staff with that ability. We have a bunch of glorified position coaches and one guy who wants them all to like each other.

We are seriously ööööed. I don't see any way out of this mess.
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Just gotta believe!
 
GTCrew4b said:
Butch Jones is 85-54 on the regular season and 4-2 in bowls.
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Because he gravy trained Brian Kelly’s leftovers and lucked into Josh Dobbs (who in an alternate universe goes to Tech because we aren’t a 3O team leads us to multiple ACC titles).
 
knoxjacket said:
we were 10-12 vs the FBS the two years before Collins started. 20-25 the four years before.

Our talent had tanked and we were heading in a bad direction. This is why Johnson quit. He said he’d quit when it wasn’t fun anymore and losing wasn’t fun and the future was full of it.

two things can be true:
1) our program was not in a good place when he took over with historically low talent levels.
2) Collins is a lousy gameday coach
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4 years is a convenient window. 5 years paints a different picture. Even 3 years is a different picture.

Recruiting had stepped up under Stansbury because he put money into it. I think he was surprised CPJ bolted in 2018. I think he was giving Johnson a fair chance to prove he could turn things around, but Paul had a different plan.

I am fine with the Collins hire. He was a solid DC, but nothing spectacular. He was a great recruiter. He wasn’t bringing in a style, he is bringing in raw materials. Stansbury needs to find some coaches who can do something with that material. We got two guys who have 9 games this season to show what they can do. They öööö the bed on the first of the nine. We’ll see how the other 8 go.
 
WracerX said:
4 years is a convenient window. 5 years paints a different picture. Even 3 years is a different picture.

Recruiting had stepped up under Stansbury because he put money into it. I think he was surprised CPJ bolted in 2018. I think he was giving Johnson a fair chance to prove he could turn things around, but Paul had a different plan.

I am fine with the Collins hire. He was a solid DC, but nothing spectacular. He was a great recruiter. He wasn’t bringing in a style, he is bringing in raw materials. Stansbury needs to find some coaches who can do something with that material. We got two guys who have 9 games this season to show what they can do. They öööö the bed on the first of the nine. We’ll see how the other 8 go.
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4 years makes sense because it is a whole class but we can take it back to 2011 when Gailey guys were almost all gone and he was a whopping 48-46 against FBS competition.

or we could start at 2012 when all Gailey guys were gone and you are looking at 41-41.

We were mediocre with an outlier in each direction since 2009.

Give Gailey an FCS opponent every year and multiple years with 2 FCS opponents and his record would be inflated too.
 
knoxjacket said:
4 years makes sense because it is a whole class but we can take it back to 2011 when Gailey guys were almost all gone and he was a whopping 48-46 against FBS competition.

or we could start at 2012 when all Gailey guys were gone and you are looking at 41-41.

We were mediocre with an outlier in each direction since 2009.

Give Gailey an FCS opponent every year and multiple years with 2 FCS opponents and his record would be inflated too.
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Yep, Gailey and Johnson had the same mean and a different standard deviation. I’ll take the ups and downs, but can understand the other choice.

My point though was that the recruiting deficit CPJ faced was a function of two things. First, Bobinski was a complete ööööshow. Horrible at every level but especially funding and supporting football. Second, Johnson had no idea how to work the alumni. The money men just didn’t like him. That is a place Collins has excelled. He knows how to recruit more than just football players.

I don’t know if Collins can meet or exceed the Gailey/Johnson mean, but I am absolutely sure the current staff can not. This season is a put up or shut up year. The staff öööö the bed against low level teams both years at Temple. They still had a decent season in 2018 though.
 
WracerX said:
Yep, Gailey and Johnson had the same mean and a different standard deviation. I’ll take the ups and downs, but can understand the other choice.

My point though was that the recruiting deficit CPJ faced was a function of two things. First, Bobinski was a complete ööööshow. Horrible at every level but especially funding and supporting football. Second, Johnson had no idea how to work the alumni. The money men just didn’t like him. That is a place Collins has excelled. He knows how to recruit more than just football players.

I don’t know if Collins can meet or exceed the Gailey/Johnson mean, but I am absolutely sure the current staff can not. This season is a put up or shut up year. The staff öööö the bed against low level teams both years at Temple. They still had a decent season in 2018 though.
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As I documented in the Thacker thread, our assistants are woefully inexperienced at the P5 level. Collins needs to upgrade the assistants at soon as possible if he wants to retain his job.
 
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BuzzLaw said:
I think @jts1207 is right in regards to CGC. The fact is: we can see improvement from last year. Our OC called some plays and we were wide open. We just didn’t do a good job executing. Our team and coaching staff are learning as they go. When everything starts clicking, I think we’ll put together a string of wins. So break out the juice glasses. I need a drink. Here’s to our ACC Championship in a year or two.
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I’m sorry, what? What improvements have we seen? You can’t tell me we have improved from citadel. I think we can consider NIU a worse loss than Citadel because of all these recruits. Malachi looks to have taken a step back since last year. Sims has stabilized, if not worsened. Gibbs didn’t look that hot. Defense might be the only step up, but they were sporadic.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
I’m sorry, what? What improvements have we seen? You can’t tell me we have improved from citadel. I think we can consider NIU a worse loss than Citadel because of all these recruits. Malachi looks to have taken a step back since last year. Sims has stabilized, if not worsened. Gibbs didn’t look that hot. Defense might be the only step up, but they were sporadic.
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Gibbs and Mason both averaged 5+ yards a carry and ran for 100 yards.
 
BuzzLaw said:
Gibbs and Mason both averaged 5+ yards a carry and ran for 100 yards.
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Sims over 5 as well. We should have run the ball early and often. Our OL was getting good movement between the tackles. Should have dumped the lateral stretch plays and replaced those to quick outs to the uncovered WR.
 
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