Navy head coach Ken Niumatololo will not return for 2023

georgiatech22 said:
It's going to be near impossible to find any coach willing to walk in there with NIL in place. Because of government restrictions, no player at a service academy can sign any NIL agreements.
"Their players are considered federal employees, and therefore can't have conflicting sources of income. So NIL is off the table."
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The state of Army-Navy in a constantly changing college football landscape

Service academy players can't take NIL money and all transfer students start with zero credits. So what is the future of Division I football for these schools?
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I feel like this shouldn't make much of a difference. Anyone who went to Army or Navy was already being required to sign away five years of their life to serving the country, right? I'm not sure the lack of NIL is going to have an effect compared to that, given that the level of players they are recruiting would be seeing modest NIL deals at best anyway.

I do wonder how it works with transfers though. Do they have to serve in the Navy after graduation still?
 
andrew said:
I feel like this shouldn't make much of a difference. Anyone who went to Army or Navy was already being required to sign away five years of their life to serving the country, right? I'm not sure the lack of NIL is going to have an effect compared to that, given that the level of players they are recruiting would be seeing modest NIL deals at best anyway.

I do wonder how it works with transfers though. Do they have to serve in the Navy after graduation still?
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Yes.
 
Regarding the new rules impacting cut blocks. There may be others here like me who haven't kept up with the changes since we quit running this offense. But here's a great article from 2018 when the first big rule changes went into effect stating 1, All blocks below the waist now have to come within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. 2, All blocks below the waist now have to come from the front, unless they’re by offensive linemen while the ball is still inside the tackle box.

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Is the NCAA’s new cut block rule harming the triple option?

Short answer: we don’t know yet. Longer answer: there are signs that it’s hurting in a significant way.
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That was our last year running the 3O and it's understandable now part of the reason we weren't very good. Of course GT had the adnvatnage of having bietter atheletes than the academies so we were able to somewhat adjust. But in 2022 they made more rules. 1, blocking opposing players below the waist will be allowed only by linemen and stationary running backs inside the tackle box. 2, applying any below-the-waist blocks (lineman or otherwise) outside the tackle box is prohibited.

I think these latest rules kill the 3O. If your A-Backs and B-Backs cannot block upfield or outside of the tackle box that takes away one of the biggest advantages of the 3O and now you are basically limited to option plays where you get 2-on-1 with a defender. That's the only play that still works IMO.

Without big men (who if I understand correctly probably couldn't qualify to get into the academies) I really don't see how Army/Navy/Air Force can even complete in FBS football. Monken gets a ton of credit for getting them bowl eligible.
 
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BeeStorm said:
dude.. we are in the ACC
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Look at my post above about strength of schedule for the past 5 years. Army and Navy recruiting is about the same. Army and Navy coaching is about the same; 2 wins to Navy in head to head, 3 wins to army with the last win coming in 2 OT this season. Navy and GT strength of schedule is about the same. Monken at GT would produce the same results as Navy with Niumatololo.
 
rocky top buzz said:
I think these latest rules kill the 3O. If your A-Backs and B-Backs cannot CUT block upfield or outside of the tackle box that takes away one of the biggest advantages of the 3O and now you are basically limited to option plays where you get 2-on-1 with a defender. That's the only play that still works IMO.
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You missed a word. The article's evidence is pretty scant though. Instead of focusing on the specific penalty in question, it focused on overall penalties:

Army has gone from averaging 4.2 penalties per game (10th in FBS) to 6.3 this year (63rd), and Georgia Tech has gone from 4.0 (fifth) to 5.0 (22nd).
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It also uses a small sample size, and doesn't control properly for other factors like qb changes, def strength, etc

Offensive success rates for those four:
  • 2017: 46.5 percent
  • 2018: 44.3 percent, while facing lots of weak defenses through Week 3
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Army won 10 games last year, including a bowl win over a SEC team. Navy won 11 games in 2019, including a bowl win over a Big 12 team. Both of these seasons have happened since these rule changes that supposedly made running the offense impossible.

When conventional coaches like Matt Campbell or Mike Leach or Mike Gundy have a disappointing season, no one blames their system, they just say they had a down year, or had injuries, or had graduated too many seniors. So why do option coaches have to consistently win 10 games to get people to think they're a legitimate coach?
 
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Army won 10 games last year, including a bowl win over a SEC team. Navy won 11 games in 2019, including a bowl win over a Big 12 team. Both of these seasons have happened since these rule changes that supposedly made running the offense impossible.

When conventional coaches like Matt Campbell or Mike Leach or Mike Gundy have a disappointing season, no one blames their system, they just say they had a down year, or had injuries, or had graduated too many seniors. So why do option coaches have to consistently win 10 games to get people to think they're a legitimate coach?
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Navy since 2018:
2018: 3 wins
2019: 11 wins
2020: 3 wins
2021: 4 wins
2022: 4 wins
 
Akinji07 said:
Look at my post above about strength of schedule for the past 5 years. Army and Navy recruiting is about the same. Army and Navy coaching is about the same; 2 wins to Navy in head to head, 3 wins to army with the last win coming in 2 OT this season. Navy and GT strength of schedule is about the same. Monken at GT would produce the same results as Navy with Niumatololo.
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Jeff probably wouldn't run the triple at Tech.
Had he gotten the South Carolina job, he wasn't going to run it there. He told the president (who had been superintendent at USMA) that.
 
swampsting said:
Jeff probably wouldn't run the triple at Tech.
Had he gotten the South Carolina job, he wasn't going to run it there. He told the president (who had been superintendent at USMA) that.
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The offense isn't why Jeff isn't getting P5 opportunities. The academic cheating scandal and the recruit sex scandal are, along with Jeff's general prickliness.
 
Ed Sawyer said:
Niumatalolo definitely burned out at Navy. But so did Bobby Bowden at Florida State and Mack Brown at Texas. No one says their offensive system stopped working; they say they just burned out. Why is Niumatalolo different?
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I don’t think he burned out. He still won 2 out of 5 against army and put up better offensive numbers than them in the last game they lost. Navy has a tougher schedule than Army, look at the strength of schedule post I made above. Monken at Navy wouldn’t be much different.
 
Ed Sawyer said:
The offense isn't why Jeff isn't getting P5 opportunities. The academic cheating scandal and the recruit sex scandal are, along with Jeff's general prickliness.
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Why would cheating and sex scandals prevent an SEC school from hiring someone?
 
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Army won 10 games last year, including a bowl win over a SEC team. Navy won 11 games in 2019, including a bowl win over a Big 12 team. Both of these seasons have happened since these rule changes that supposedly made running the offense impossible.
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I don't follow Army Football enough to know, but I don't think Monken runs the exact same system as KN at Navy or CPJ here. Just looking at their 2021 stats I see a lot of passing yards. 10/13 for 179 against WF in that barn burner. 6/9 in their bowl game. They even have a TE on the roster!
 
rocky top buzz said:
I don't follow Army Football enough to know, but I don't think Monken runs the exact same system as KN at Navy or CPJ here. Just looking at their 2021 stats I see a lot of passing yards. 10/13 for 179 against WF in that barn burner. 6/9 in their bowl game. They even have a TE on the roster!
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They have 920 passing yards all season. 1,233 yards last season. 537 yards in the season before. Quite the passing offense.
 
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