NC State Post Game Thread

This was such a frustrating game. Between the refs in love with their flags (how many personal fouls, unnecessary roughness, PIs, dead ball calls can you make in a single game) and Patenaude’s horrendous calls at critical moments we left meaningful points on the field. We were not out manned by this NC State team and the game should have been tied in the closing minutes of the game. We never go up tempo but when we get 1st and goal from the 1 we decide we want to play fast? Well of course we screw that up. Just get under center and sneak it a couple times or run power with Mason. You didn’t have to get cute with NC Sate. And then there was the drive before halftime where we leave 3 point on the field by not attempting a field goal inside 35 yards.

No doubt the players made plenty of mistakes but we could have won that game if our coaches would have made wise decisions in critical moments. If a game is on the line and either Collins or Patenaude have to make a decision/call, I simply haven’t seen anything this year that gives me confidence.

Sims is great one minute and terrible the next. However, he’s got plenty of ability and I do believe we can be very successful with him leading the charge if he continues to mentally grow and mature.
 
1982Jacket said:
What evidence do you have that Sims has the "minimum level of talent" to be a consistently accurate passer?

Sure, of COURSE I would love to believe he is going to be an accurate passer! What would be better for Tech football, which I have cheered for EVERY GAME for more than 40 years. We've had a QB deficit for 20 years. God how I would love to have a Sunshine or even a Kyle Flask or Zach Wilson pulling the trigger behind center.

But I just cannot be Blind Homer. Sorry. Not able to do it. I llive in Realville and experience tells me that it is extremely unlikely that Sims becomes an accurate passer. I remember all the hype about Jameis Winston. His redshirt freshman stats were incredible - and if you just looked at stats he looked "can't miss." But it only took a couple of games actually watching him play to see that he was not an accurate passer (although a lot more accurate than Sims). Seven years later, and nothing about that has ever changed. It hardly ever does.

I get it. You're a homer. You want to wish it into existence. But why don't you wish in one hand and crap in the other and tell us which fills up first.

No one would be happier than me to be wrong about this. But I'm not.
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Well honestly I am more hoping than expecting. It's more of he's a true freshman on a rebuilding team so he's not put in a great position to produce immediately. I had low expectations but just wanted to see flashes of upside and I think we can agree he can make some splashy plays. He's clearly cut down on the INTs as the season has progressed so that is good, no? If this were 1995 I'd say he's just a true frosh but in 2020, freshman QBs are more ready than ever to play immediately with all the 7on7 and hi-tech passing attacks now prevalent in HS ball so this does give me a bit of pause. If he doesnt take a big leap next year then I will give up on him but its just too early since this is his first year. I just wish we could get a glimpse of Tucker Gleason to have something to compare him to, though. I've watched Gleason in HS and know what considerable skills he brings to the table so if he looks like garbage too, then it's not the QBs for sure.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Don't worry, I'm taking names too.
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knoxjacket said:
I’d like to see Sims completion percentage when you factor out drops, throwaways, balls he got hit throwing, etc.
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the main point people are missing when they talk about Sims and being inaccurate is the fact we are terrible pass blocking.
He wasn’t his best today but Go back and look at those first few drives and the amount of times we let a linebacker or DT go untouched up the middle and tell me how anyone can be accurate while getting drilled everytime you drop back.
Look at the two throws to Sanders that were incomplete at the goaline.
The first deep throw into double coverage splits the defenders and the ball hits Sanders in the stomach although Sanders ran out of bounds before the ball hits him.
The second fade route was a perfectly placed ball he catches but couldn’t get his feet inbounds.
If Sims wasn’t accurate like Reggie and a lot of our QBS under PJ then he wouldn’t be able to throw such a good fade.
We can agree to disagree and time will prove who was right but while Sims may never compete 70 plus percent I promise you he’s more accurate then most as a true freshman
 
The Jacket said:
At this point I don't even know what you're trying to say. Is it that you liked the announcers and you're mad that everyone here thought they were jackasses? Or that you're defending yourself by proxy?
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They were pretty complimentary of our defense. There are just a bunch on here that are upset that they called our offense for being simplistic; particularly the receiver routes and the receiver effort. They talked about receivers just stopping after they finished their route when Sims was scrambling rather than working to get open; it was hard to confirm it watching on TV because the screen shot was focusing on Sims. I need to add they were complimentary of Sanders after he went on his receiving tear in the second half and made some comment about him being the only receiver out there working tonight (or something to that effect). If you are a big Patenaude fan I can understand the butt hurt about the comments.
 
gtfan088 said:
I feel like he outsmarts himself and/or fixates on being balanced. The objective is to gain yards and score points; sometimes balance actually hinders that objective.
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I didn't watch the game but Patenaude said in his weekly presser that NC State was probably expecting the run after Duke so we were going to pass it more.
 
TechAKnee said:
This was such a frustrating game. Between the refs in love with their flags (how many personal fouls, unnecessary roughness, PIs, dead ball calls can you make in a single game) and Patenaude’s horrendous calls at critical moments we left meaningful points on the field. We were not out manned by this NC State team and the game should have been tied in the closing minutes of the game. We never go up tempo but when we get 1st and goal from the 1 we decide we want to play fast? Well of course we screw that up. Just get under center and sneak it a couple times or run power with Mason. You didn’t have to get cute with NC Sate. And then there was the drive before halftime where we leave 3 point on the field by not attempting a field goal inside 35 yards.

No doubt the players made plenty of mistakes but we could have won that game if our coaches would have made wise decisions in critical moments. If a game is on the line and either Collins or Patenaude have to make a decision/call, I simply haven’t seen anything this year that gives me confidence.
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Don't forget the ridiculous holds we were called for all night, but which NCSU used on several plays for a first down or big gain.

However, I still disagree about the FG attempt before halftime. The two makes we got later from Death, Destroyer of Worlds came when we were grasping for any points we could get to stay in the game. If we'd never sent that brilliant bastard out there at all, I would not have blamed Collins for it. The smart thing to do there was go for it, it was just unfortunate that Pdude called some nonsense play instead.
 
The Jacket said:
Don't forget the ridiculous holds we were called for all night, but which NCSU used on several plays for a first down or big gain.

However, I still disagree about the FG attempt before halftime. The two makes we got later from Death, Destroyer of Worlds came when we were grasping for any points we could get to stay in the game. If we'd never sent that brilliant bastard out there at all, I would not have blamed Collins for it. The smart thing to do there was go for it, it was just unfortunate that Pdude called some nonsense play instead.
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CGC said in postgame he didn’t want to put pressure on the holder before half. In the second half, it was a must have situation to get points.

Yes. It made no sense to me either.
 
aeromech said:
They were pretty complimentary of our defense. There are just a bunch on here that are upset that they called our offense for being simplistic; particularly the receiver routes and the receiver effort. They talked about receivers just stopping after they finished their route when Sims was scrambling rather than working to get open; it was hard to confirm it watching on TV because the screen shot was focusing on Sims. I need to add they were complimentary of Sanders after he went on his receiving tear in the second half and made some comment about him being the only receiver out there working tonight (or something to that effect). If you are a big Patenaude fan I can understand the butt hurt about the comments.
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Being capable of pointing out some obvious things in a game happening right in front of their faces - which is their job - doesn't change the fact that the rest of the broadcast was rife with moronic and blatantly false garbage. At one point NCSU ran from 2nd and 10 for maybe 4 yards, and somehow the dumbass pbp guy decided that the subsequent play was 3rd and short. You're arguing just to argue and I'm not interested. Those two were mongoloids and gave a commentary performance equivalent to Patenaude calling plays while doing speedballs.
 
The Jacket said:
Don't forget the ridiculous holds we were called for all night, but which NCSU used on several plays for a first down or big gain.

However, I still disagree about the FG attempt before halftime. The two makes we got later from Death, Destroyer of Worlds came when we were grasping for any points we could get to stay in the game. If we'd never sent that brilliant bastard out there at all, I would not have blamed Collins for it. The smart thing to do there was go for it, it was just unfortunate that Pdude called some nonsense play instead.
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Heres why I disagree. The possession before, the NC State coach was in a similar scenario and took the points to go up 13. We could have gotten those 3 points back and we knew we had the ball to start the half. It wasn’t like it was a 4th and 1 decision.
 
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TechAKnee said:
Heres why I disagree. The possession before, the NC State coach was in a similar scenario and took the points to go up 13. We could have gotten those 3 points back and we knew we had the ball to start the half. It wasn’t like it was 4 and 1 decision.
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I think the "we could have gotten those 3 back" is the stretch though. He had no reason to think there was any chance whatsoever that we'd make that FG. A lot of really awful things happened offensively after that, including our failure on that 4th down try, to make it reasonable to say "screw it, we are desperate" and send the kicker out there later to try to stay alive in what had become a öööö show of a game.
 
Buzzworm said:
the main point people are missing when they talk about Sims and being inaccurate is the fact we are terrible pass blocking.
He wasn’t his best today but Go back and look at those first few drives and the amount of times we let a linebacker or DT go untouched up the middle and tell me how anyone can be accurate while getting drilled everytime you drop back.
Look at the two throws to Sanders that were incomplete at the goaline.
The first deep throw into double coverage splits the defenders and the ball hits Sanders in the stomach although Sanders ran out of bounds before the ball hits him.
The second fade route was a perfectly placed ball he catches but couldn’t get his feet inbounds.
If Sims wasn’t accurate like Reggie and a lot of our QBS under PJ then he wouldn’t be able to throw such a good fade.
We can agree to disagree and time will prove who was right but while Sims may never compete 70 plus percent I promise you he’s more accurate then most as a true freshman
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My love/hate with Sims is he’ll thread the needle in tight coverage like you described and give you a wow moment, but then he’ll miss a completely wide open receiver the next play. Where I see some issues is we‘ll run read option plays which takes a second or so to read and then he’ll try to read the routes downfield which often take longer then 3 or 4 seconds to develop and the pressure gets to him. If he matures to a point where he can deliver the ball quicker the line will all of a sudden look way better. Patenuade could help by calling plays to gets the ball out quickly as well.
 
Our team fought as hard as they could. We were shorthanded, but really battled in the second half. As for play calls, those calls are brilliant when they work. We just don't have the line to have a consistent offense.
 
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