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johncu said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Those guys were on the 2007 team as well, and that team went 7-6, including losses to Maryland and UVA and a blowout against Fresno State on blue turf. NOBODY was talking about how stocked we were with talent going into 2008. In fact. we were projected to go 3-9 and be the worst team in the ACC. CPJ "fanboyz" have love for the guy because he took that team that was supposed to be total öööö and won 20 games in 2 years. Then when people started whining about how he could never do it with his own players, he went and won 11 games again a few years later. This is a board for GT fans, and you are blowing up the board ööööposting about the coach that many of us consider to be the best GT coach in 50ish years. Should you really be surprised that most of us want you to öööö off? Moreover, what the hell is the point? He's retiring and we got a new coach with a lot of reasons to be excited. Just shut the öööö up with the divisive comments, please.
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The same people who complain about C P J. Will do the same thing in a few years.
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
3 of the 4 DLs that were drafted earned 2nd NFL contracts, the 4th(Richard) had an MBA and chose to walk away from the game on his own terms, he probably could have done the same if he wanted to

The one thing that the CPJ fanboyz fail to realize is that CPJ walked into a great situation talent wise and after 11 yrs of his lazy recruiting efforts he is leaving the next guy a major rebuild (my opinion)

I don't see how anyone can have so much love for a guy (CPJ) that leaves the Program facing a major rebuild

CPJ had 11 yrs to figure out P5 recruiting at GT and failed all 11 yrs, that's unforgivable, Chan only had 6 and he figured it out except for 1 position, QB, and he finally got that figured out but got fired before he could take advantage of it

Don't understand all the love for a guy that's leaving us with depleted talent on both O & D and facing a major rebuild
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Spot on
 
I remember when a coach used to say goods teams to lose 2 in row. Haven't heard that line in quite some time.
 
The thing is Collins has a great reputation as a recruiter, has garnered lots of praise from national media and those he's crossed paths with, has been nominated for the Broyles award at multiple stops, etc. It shouldn't be necessary to insult CPJ in order to prop CGC up. When you do that, it just makes it seem like you're more interested in pissing people off than you are in having a meaningful discussion.
 
johncu said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Those guys were on the 2007 team as well, and that team went 7-6, including losses to Maryland and UVA and a blowout against Fresno State on blue turf. NOBODY was talking about how stocked we were with talent going into 2008. In fact. we were projected to go 3-9 and be the worst team in the ACC. CPJ "fanboyz" have love for the guy because he took that team that was supposed to be total öööö and won 20 games in 2 years. Then when people started whining about how he could never do it with his own players, he went and won 11 games again a few years later. This is a board for GT fans, and you are blowing up the board ööööposting about the coach that many of us consider to be the best GT coach in 50ish years. Should you really be surprised that most of us want you to öööö off? Moreover, what the hell is the point? He's retiring and we got a new coach with a lot of reasons to be excited. Just shut the öööö up with the divisive comments, please.
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That seems like revisionist history. I remember plenty of people talking about our DL talent before the 2008 season. Remember the "Morgan isn't even starting, but he's NFL caliber" factoids analysts would go through in the first quarter of our games?
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
That seems like revisionist history. I remember plenty of people talking about our DL talent before the 2008 season. Remember the "Morgan isn't even starting, but he's NFL caliber" factoids analysts would go through in the first quarter of our games?
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We were projected at the bottom of the league because Gailey had massively underachieved the year before and we were transitioning offensively and defensively. But yeah, the DL talent was absolutely known, and I think Michael Johnson was projected as a top 5 pick at one point.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
That seems like revisionist history. I remember plenty of people talking about our DL talent before the 2008 season. Remember the "Morgan isn't even starting, but he's NFL caliber" factoids analysts would go through in the first quarter of our games?
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Sure, we knew we had some good players. Even a couple great ones. But people don't predict 3-9 for a team that is perceived to be loaded with talent. Also Juanyeh Thomas didn't start in 2018, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he's NFL caliber.
 
johncu said:
Sure, we knew we had some good players. Even a couple great ones. But people don't predict 3-9 for a team that is perceived to be loaded with talent. Also Juanyeh Thomas didn't start in 2018, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he's NFL caliber.
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I think a lot of the preseason prognostications stem out of laziness. "Oh, they lost Tashard Choice to the NFL, their QB is transferring, and they're completely overhauling the offense. That'll take time, and there's no way they'll be any good this year. They only won 7 games last year."
 
gtfan088 said:
I think a lot of the preseason prognostications stem out of laziness. "Oh, they lost Tashard Choice to the NFL, their QB is transferring, and they're completely overhauling the offense. That'll take time, and there's no way they'll be any good this year. They only won 7 games last year."
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@johncu this is what I'm getting at. They'd say 3-9 right after they'd say "5 NFL DL". They'd also say "Nesbitt and Dwyer are extremely talented, but don't fit Paul's system. Wait until he gets his guys in." It was stupid and lazy analysis that CPJ called out in his retirement conference as such. I'd type more, but none of this masters. CGC is the guy now. Let's see what he's able to do and be fanatical in our support of the program.
 
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