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  1. JJacket

    JJacket 1st to pass for 2500 and rush for 1000

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    These kids are just different nowadays. I would want to beat my former HS teammates ass, not join him in a cesspool
     
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  2. TechPhi97

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    I went through all of the players from Chan and Johnson to see who actually recruited them and what they're star ranking was. See attached Google Sheet. If someone transferred in, they are recruited by the coach of the year they transferred into the program. Right now is actually a good time to make a comparison, because Johnson's first 6 classes are not pro-eligible (with a few stragglers, I'm sure) and can be directly compared to Gailey's 6 seasons (2002 - 2007) for NFL players. Gailey had 20 NFL players that he recruited (coached by him or Johnson) and Johnson had 17.

    How about the fact that the team was STOCKED when Chan came here. I went back and looked (using the Pro Football Reference website), and O'Leary left Gailey 15 future pros. He went 7-6 every year during his first four years, and 4-4 (16-16) in conference every year. Gailey left Johnson 11 future pros, and Johnson came in and went 9-4 and 10-3 and won the division in both of his first two years; then 6-7 and 8-5. Conference record was (21-11). So, Chan came in with a much more stocked lineup of NFL players and did worse. Maybe the Chanboyz (that's Chan Fanboys, of which you are one) should recognize that.

    As for lazy recruiting, PJ's average rank and average recruiting stars were 2.95 in his first 6 years, and 2.94 in the last 4. So, it seems the effort has been quite similar over time. It's interesting that Gailey's 2007 class had 6 four-stars and 15 three stars and was ranked 15th, while Johnson's 2010 class had 4 four-stars and 15 three-stars and was rated 43rd.

    Anyway, I wish both Gailey and Johnson were better at recruiting, but I thing they were pretty similar. Johnson was a heck of a better coach.

     
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    A few more things:
    - We have had 19 four-star players since 2002 that are not still in college. Only 7 played in the NFL.
    - 17.5% of CG's recruits made it to the NFL; 15.5% of Johnson's made it (based on first 6 years).
    - Each coach had 6 players that were undrafted but made the NFL.
     
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    Speaking of NFL talent, I've done it before and the number of drafted players per year between two is nearly identical.
     
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    Very well done on the effort you put into this
     
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    Stop clouding this discussion with facts.
     
  7. BigDanT

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    We lost two in a row in 2014. Think about that.
     
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    BainbridgeJacket A rare combination of humility and genius

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    Anyone want to attach a draft round to those players?
     
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    originalwombat Flats Noob

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    Why no comparison of who recruited more All-ACC guys? Who really cares how many go on to the NFL or not? We've had a lot of guys that were GREAT college players that never got drafted.
     
  10. JJacket

    JJacket 1st to pass for 2500 and rush for 1000

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    We weren't a good team at that point. Good teams don't lose to Duke and UNC
     
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    Great post! Thanks! Reminds me of when O’leary left. It went from hate to legend in a few years.
     
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    Most definitely said that.
     
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    BranMart BLUE PANTS!! 8 WINS + EVERY YEAR

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    come on, people. He ööööed up typing horribly...I made a little joke. I know what Paul said about good teams not losing two in a row. Paul had a few bad teams it seems.
     
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    JJacket 1st to pass for 2500 and rush for 1000

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    You think this is some ööööing joke? This isn't a ööööing joke. You need to get cereal wit tha quickness
     
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    Super cereal
     
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    Sorry, I had taken it out for brevity in Google Sheets; I just added it back. Should show on your screen.
     
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    I also added a count by draft round into a new tab, so you can see the breakdown by coach and the coach/recruiter combination.
     
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    I agree with you - there are guys that are my favorite players that didn't get drafted. I was only trying to address the "left the cupboard bare" comments from the OP who tried to use NFL talent as a measure of recruiting capability. Or, for anyone on these boards trying to say that Chan was some awesome recruiter and Johnson sucked. They were both mediocre, ultimately.
     
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