Offense meltdown today.....

I completely understand pre-season scrimmages and the differences in play-calling, injury protection, etc. However, I can think of few circumstances where 30 carries for 45 yards is acceptable...even if you told the defense you were going to run.
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To me, that highlights Cox's importance to the running game - there's no way our numbers look like that with him in there to lead block. And it was all the more difficult to run on our D when they only had a couple of days to adjust for him being out of the lineup.
 
ContactBuzz said:
This isn't BO - if you post silliness you better expect to get called out on it.
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Now lets see my remark was about the lack of a D1 QB. If I read you guys correct it's not this guy, it's not that guy, it's not anyone! So in four years of recruiting could Tech not have gotten at least one serviceable QB? We've seen for 3 years now what we don't have so call me out if you want CB but facts are still facts!
 
oldfoggy said:
So in four years of recruiting could Tech not have gotten at least one serviceable QB?
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We DO have a 'serviceable QB' in Reggie. GT has won more games than we've lost with him at the helm and now he'll have a new offense with an experienced line to protect him.

He may well remain only 'serviceable' this year, or he may do better, but with all of ONE scrimmage under our belt it's useless and stupid to come over here spouting your typical crap. Go crawl back under your rock.
 
oldfoggy said:
So lets see, if I read most of you correct, BOR/SLJ/KNOXJ etc. We go from nothing to less than nothing. Wonder where the fault lies and who is responsible and who is ultimately responsible?
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What opinion or point are you adding to this conversation that is not already known and believed by the masses?
 
oldfoggy said:
Now lets see my remark was about the lack of a D1 QB. If I read you guys correct it's not this guy, it's not that guy, it's not anyone! So in four years of recruiting could Tech not have gotten at least one serviceable QB? We've seen for 3 years now what we don't have so call me out if you want CB but facts are still facts!
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Again, what opinion or insight are you adding to this conversation that is not already known or heard a thousand times? Or are you just beating the dead horse? We're talking about what we got, and the realities of that... not whose fault it is. We already are aware of that.
 
BarrelORum said:
Again, what opinion or insight are you adding to this conversation that is not already known or heard a thousand times? Or are you just beating the dead horse? We're talking about what we got, and the realities of that... not whose fault it is. We already are aware of that.
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I'm not trying to really say anything about this or that, but the gist of all of you guy including you BOR is that we don't have a QB, or backups. As for GTL I heard the same from him the last couple of years. Our QB MAY have a breakout, hasn't happened may never happen. BUT, if I read you guys right then we may be in offensive trouble again for the 5th straight year! How long can you, me, anyone expect our D to continue to bail out the O?
 
and my point is, can we at least wait til we play someone else before we go off the deep end?
 
BUT, if I read you guys right then we may be in offensive trouble again for the 5th straight year! How long can you, me, anyone expect our D to continue to bail out the O?
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Name one ACC team that has had offensive consistency the last 5 years - or consistent QB play? Even the Fridge can't produce a decent offense or QB. F$U or Miami year in year out have top 5/10 recruiting and land some of the most highly regarding QBs and neither team has produced championship level QBs or offenses. Whose fault is that?

We play in a defensive minded league with possibly the best overall defensive talent of any conference -if my opinion doesn't matter, you can take the opinions of the NFL scouts. The ACC (in it's first 12 team season) just set a conference record for most 1st round draft picks - all but 1 were defensive players. And many more were taken throughout the rest of the draft.

We can (and should) be better this year - but the days of 30pts/game (excl. OOC competition) are over in the ACC.
 
I think the question needs to be posed again....

How many here actually saw what happened on the field Saturday?

Well, I did...

Reggie looked erratic because he had defenders in his face all day. The only open routes were the ones downfield. TB had some clean crisp passes, but he also tried to force it several times where reggie opted to go for the safer route. I put much of what happened on Saturday on the O-line. The scheme did not look horrible, it looked new. People were still trying to pick up their assignments and routes. The DL and LB's seemed to be everywhere. It was not a good day for the offense in general, but it was far from Reggie's fault.
 
ContactBuzz said:
Name one ACC team that has had offensive consistency the last 5 years - or consistent QB play? Even the Fridge can't produce a decent offense or QB. F$U or Miami year in year out have top 5/10 recruiting and land some of the most highly regarding QBs and neither team has produced championship level QBs or offenses. Whose fault is that?

We can (and should) be better this year - but the days of 30pts/game (excl. OOC competition) are over in the ACC.
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Well lets see I'm supposed to be thinking about NCSt., Mia, MD, gosh and here all the time I thought we were Tech fans so we should worry about the other 11 teams. Me I worry only about Tech and the Team we play the week we play em. The days of the 30 point games are over in the ACC well lets see, Utah comes to mind, VT comes to mind so maybe not all the 30 point games are over! Anyway I'm through with this topic. Me I will see what I see not matter what anyone thinks and if I see more 30 point games I may say well it's over.
 
The days of the 30 point games are over in the ACC well lets see, Utah comes to mind, VT comes to mind so maybe not all the 30 point games are over!
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The days of AVERAGING 30 points for a season are over. Sure, teams can score more than 30 in one game.
 
ncjacket said:
and my point is, can we at least wait til we play someone else before we go off the deep end?
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Bingo!!! The defense is supposed to dominate the offense early on... it takes a while for the offense to get the timing down.
 
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Foggie, the coach ain't goin' nowhere for a minimum of 5 months. Neither is the OC. Barring injury Reggie will be the starter for all of our games this year.

NOTHING you say will change the above. Why keep on whining and harping endlessly on about it 4 weeks before the first freakin' game? Especially when there's a separate board dedicated for such stupidity.
 
I agree. I didn't see the scrimmage. But a QB completing less than 1/3 of his passes and a rushing game averaging less than 2 yards per carry that points to the o-line.
 
Not sure I understand how the scrimmage was set up, but from some of the stuff I've read the Offense was not allowed to audible and QBs could not run but the D was allowed to switch personnel after seeing formations and brought whatever blitzes Tenuta wanted. I'm not sure why you would set up a scrimmage that way to begin with. Maybe just trying to put the OL under severe pressure to see how they dealt with it?

Whatever the reasons though, it's clear the O did not perform as Gailey hoped, and he said as much. Still, we have 3 weeks til the first game and a lot can happen in that amount of time.

Anyone know when practice will be closed for game prep?

Oh, also for some reason it has been posted that the D always knew the snap count. Don't get that one either, but if it's true it sure seems like we set up the offense to fail.
 
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Bogey said:
. If Nix can't get the job done, then both him and Gailey need to go.
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That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater...crazy!

1) Recruiting now fixed and on roll
2) Emphasis on defense from the top is there...and Tenuta likes working for Gailey unlike other HC's in his past
3) Special teams focus is now there
4) AD position is now a position of support for CG

Last thing of 5 big ones is the offense. Recruiting the right candidate is one step..and we should have two to choose from. The rest is up to Nix and Coach D to shore up. If they do great, if they do not then I expect CG to make some moves.

Too much going right to change at the top now.
 
hiveredtech said:
... if they do not then I expect CG to make some moves.
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How long you going to wait on this "move" to happen? The move to a real OC should have happened 2 years ago at least. I am really not a Gailey hater, and actually a CG fan, but I don't like his stubborness with regards to the offense one bit. From what I have seen of Nix in practise, his results with our quarterbacks, and reading/listening to his words, he doesn't have the experience, or the intensity, or the fire to coach on this level. If he doesn't want to be concerned when his offense is floundering, maybe he should be in Div III.
But I hope I am wrong, and I was wrong once in '98. :laugher:
 
Bogey said:
How long you going to wait on this "move" to happen? The move to a real OC should have happened 2 years ago at least. I am really not a Gailey hater, and actually a CG fan, but I don't like his stubborness with regards to the offense one bit. From what I have seen of Nix in practise, his results with our quarterbacks, and reading/listening to his words, he doesn't have the experience, or the intensity, or the fire to coach on this level. If he doesn't want to be concerned when his offense is floundering, maybe he should be in Div III.
But I hope I am wrong, and I was wrong once in '98. :laugher:
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The first step has happened as they do not share duties any longer. Nix installed the game plan in the past and worked with the QB's. CG still developed the game plan and called the plays. This is interesting because I felt like we had decent game plans and decent play calling the past...and it went well with what we did on the defensive side of the ball. Miami games last year was a good example. Execution has been a point of contention. At any rate...CG has been very clear that 100% of the offense is Nix's this year.

While things have happened slower than people would have liked...partially because Braine was in the way and giving bad advice....you now see a CG that understands what needs to be done and is making the necessary moves to do so. One of the moves is setting Nix out there to prove himself.

I wish I could take this entire thread back because the timing was poor and I apologize for my involvement. I am extremely excited about our direction and see ourselves having more talent on our GT football teams in the coming years than we have ever experienced before. All in all, we are going in the right direction....which is more than many of our counterparts can say as programs that were thought to be in great shape begin to unravel (UVA, Miami, NCState, Tennessee, etc.)
 
A disappointing first scrimmage on offense with a Senior QB looking no better than before is a small concern. No need to overstate the importance of the defense dominating the O, especially with injuries.

I wonder, if Reggie had been 20 for 22 with 6 TD's and if Choice had rushed for 150 on 10 carries and 4 TD's if we'd be happy, or complaining that the D has gotten even worse than it was against Utah. Would we be certain that the new secondary was going to stink, that we would not stop anyone on the schedule, and that it was all somehow Chan's fault?

I guess I need to know how Tech "wins" a scrimmage against itself. It is hard, if not almost impossible, for an offense and a defense to both look terrific when they are opposing each other.
 
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