Offense meltdown today.....

If that were the case there would be questions about the D to some extent, but the fact of the matter is that the D is proven and continues to perform game in and game out, most times probably exceedingthe talent level and expectations. The offense is yet to live up to the potential of its pieces and the fear of the offense isn't a total tank-job, but more of the same with no improvement to speak of. Everything seems to be going well in all aspects of Tech football except for the offense which appears to be stuck in neutral or even worse, in reverse.
 
I'll take responsibility for over reacting about the OL. No I wasn't there, but when I heard about the bickering that lit a fuse. We need all 8 to 10 of these guys on page. If they are discussing what happened on the play before that's fine but if they are bickering and calling each other out, that's what I have a problem with.

Games are won up front and we need these young men to step up and provide leadership as a group to this team. You win as a team and you lose as a team, sometimes that is forgotten. Especially by me at times.
 
JoeCakeEater said:
If that were the case there would be questions about the D to some extent, but the fact of the matter is that the D is proven and continues to perform game in and game out, most times probably exceedingthe talent level and expectations. The offense is yet to live up to the potential of its pieces and the fear of the offense isn't a total tank-job, but more of the same with no improvement to speak of. Everything seems to be going well in all aspects of Tech football except for the offense which appears to be stuck in neutral or even worse, in reverse.
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I'd like to second this statement.

And as I said before in this thread, Chan Gailey has done a fantastic job in '06. But people, the quarterback position will make or break this season.

And as I said before, I had huge hopes that Reggie and the offense would be much better with a clear chain of command in place now.

9-29, 5-16 by the starter? a 4th year starter? No reason for it. And quite frankly if Coach Gailey isn't happy then why should I?

As for the missing starters.....it is becoming a fish story in cyberspace. The offensive line started out with one missing starter. McManus. Wrotto went out later on

For all this talk about the defense knowing the offense, that works both ways. Plus the defense expends a helluva lot more energy than the offense. In that heat the offense should have been able to hold their own instead of being manhandled.

Folks, this isn't a 'new offense' out there. The terminology will be the same. The schemes will be 'tweaked' and I expect the playcalling to have more of an edge to it but that is all!

Running the ball is not a huge part of Reggie's game. Never has and never will. For all his athlecticism his escapability under a rush is a big zero.

Beernutts: I have seen Garner throw in practice, twice last year. But not in a scrimmage. I liken him to Kenny Stabler release wise and how his throws left his hand. Nice touch on his throws.

As for panicing I'm not, I'm sure our coaching staff isn't either, but I believe Coach Nix should react to the results of the scrimmage with extreme urgency.

Sorry folks, but this isn't all about one scrimmage. Reggie has about 35 starts under his belt. And the results look to be more of the same if his starts are allowed to accumulate and if he doesn't exhibit a 180 degree turnaround within a couple of weeks. Which is not realistic in my opinion.
 
And I am telling YOU, SLJ, that Reggie wasn't as God-Awful as you are making him out. He had little to no time to check down and find secondary or, heaven help us, his third receiver. He had one chance to make a pass on almost each and every down. More often than not, he chose to put the ball downfield and give the deep receiver a chance to run under it. Why, you ask? Because the guys underneath were blanketed/covered/not open/interception bait! He couldn't bring the ball down and scramble for more time and apparently that was per the rules of the scrimmage. Get your head out of....ummm....the sand and don't think the sky is falling because of one raindrop. It was a bad scrimmage. We all know how you feel about Reggie, but please understand that as bad as the performance was on fishwrap, it was not all negative. Nor should it be indicative of Reggie's performance next week. If he doesn't perform next week with any improvement, and I will be there to watch, then I think you can START to make some hay.
 
the reality is Reggie is our BEST OPTION and has been every year he has been here. When you think of the big wins over the past few years...Auburn 1 and 2 and Miami you have Reggie stepping up and making plays that NO OTHER QB on our roster could make.

But I tell you one reason I felt we were going to be better this year was a better OL. If that is not the case then it will be Reggie running for his life the last few years. Reggie is tough and provides a legit run option. This allowed us to win the Miami game.
 
BirdNBee: Reggie Ball has never been a quarterback who can pull the ball down and run with it when a passing play breaks down. So the 'rules' as you called them would have had no affect on the scrimmage as far as Reggie's production goes.

Reading your description of Reggie chucking it downfield because all his options was covered just about sums it up. Reggie maybe an A student but he has never been perceived as a smart quarterback. Combined with scattershot accuracy these scrimmages are the norm and not the exception.

Lawbee: You are wrong.....we had better options every year. We just didn't use them.
 
Actually the early word is that Reggie will run a lot this year. Don't know if that will play out, but that's what I've been reading.

I'm not saying there is no cause for concern... Chan is clearly concerned. All I'm saying is that it's too early to be drawing conclusions about what we're going to be like.
 
Excuse my french, but that is just Bull***T! Reggie hasn't gotten 1,100 rushing yards in three years (including negative yardage for sacks) solely on designed running plays. He has had to make plays in the past when the pressure forced him. If I am not mistaken, one of the more memorable Reggie moments of his Freshman or Sophomore years was when he was forced to scramble and ended up lowering his shoulder on Goldston (?) in the UGAg game.

As for throwing to the downfield receiver......
Would you have felt better if he constantly forced the ball into welll-guarded receivers and ended up with 7-8 INT's? Nope...you'd just be here bitching about that saying that Reggie's decision-making stinks and why the hell is he trying to force it into covered players. He is damned either way. Personally, I thought (did I mentioned I watched the scrimmage) he made the most appropriate decisions at the time.
 
-Remember that not only McManus, but also his backup was out. So, we had some second-teamer playing out of position. Whether it was "bickering" or conservation, what happened between the OLs after the play did indicate they were having huge problems with assignments and not necessarily getting completely beat on blocks.

-There's no argument that Calvin was a huge hit to our offense. From the one guy on this thread who actually saw this practice, Reggie had to throw it downfield in a hurry because the short-range receivers all had lockdown coverage. If Calvin was in there, Reggie could have depended on him to catch the ball whatever kind of coverage was thrown at him.

- I don't remember seeing Cox's injury mentioned on the thread, but that also was a huge hit on our offense. He's one of the best blocking fullbacks in the nation and it's no surprise with a battered line that our running game would look so awful with him out.

- Running is a big part of Reggie's game, espcially running the bootleg last year. He rushed 104 times last year or an average of about 8 times a game.

- There were no audibles or check offs. I don't know how much the defense knew the snap count, but it has to be easier to guess the snap count from a team you play every day than a team you play once a year.

There's a reason this thread didn't happen after the spring scrimmages or after some of the other fall practices. Not that there's no reason for concern, but saying that we should now take out a senior QB for a redshirt freshmen because of one poor scrimmage with all these offensive injuries is just crazy.
 
Since everyone else's 2 cents are in...

#1 Reggie is no Vince Young, but to say he is not a running threat is silly.

#2 Ball is serviceable. He would be a great backup QB. To say we have no serviceable QBs is stupid. We have no exceptional QBs to our knowledge.

#3 There are players who are gamers. At this point I guess Bennett and Garner haven't shown it in controlled scrimmages WTF. But what is the difference between Ball today and Suggs 3/4 years ago? If Ball starts out under 50% with Calvin and James against an average ND D we may need to play Bennett and/or Garner against Samford and Troy. What good is playing RB? How much improvement can you expect from game 37 to 38?

#4 Nix has to have one year to see what he can do. A little criticim is reasonable, but tying him 100% to the current QB crop is unfair and hanging him one week into pads is pure foolishness.

#5 Gailey has done everything the idiots asked and we still get krap seeping from the orifice under their nose. CCG fired the ST coach, he quit the OC job, he is recruiting gangbusters (GEORGIA on top of just that), HS coaches are raving about GT, ...

#6 I pray that Cox and the green jersey (etc) explain the dismal running and that those can be corrected in three weeks.

#7 I agree with techfowl except that Coach D needs to step it up or we probably have to move on. Of course, I understand that OL frequently takes the longest to 'GEL' and other than the important ND game we have time to get good enough to have a special season (and the D, the run, CJ, and a little luck can beat ND)
 
#5 Gailey has done everything the idiots asked and we still get krap seeping from the orifice under their nose. CCG fired the ST coach, he quit the OC job, he is recruiting gangbusters (GEORGIA on top of just that), HS coaches are raving about GT, ...
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sounds like 'the idiots' had some pretty good ideas...
 
statelinejacket said:
Lawbee: You are wrong.....we had better options every year. We just didn't use them.
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I'm no defender of Lawbee. Half the stuff he says on this board is so abosolutely ridiculous it better belongs on a Circus Clown forum for people that have smiles plastered to their face 24/7.

That said, what "options" are you talking about SLJ? Are you saying we have better options than Ball right now? If that's what you are saying then I think you may be completely disconnected to the program. Taylor Bennett has not done anything and while Garner has had a couple of decent scrimmages, he has not really shown up in practice. I'm pretty sure Gailey is as frustrated with Ball as we all are, so why wouldn't he jump at the opportunity to play someone else if that was a legitimate option?
 
goldmember said:
sounds like 'the idiots' had some pretty good ideas...
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The idiots are the ones calling for CCGs head before he's allowed to identify problems and correct them.
 
ContactBuzz said:
The idiots are the ones calling for CCGs head before he's allowed to identify problems and correct them.
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Contact, that is a good point. But we have had a problem here for 4 years and still haven't corrected it. I am hopeful that this year we will correct that problem. we all know we have it. Unfortunately, I don't think we will be able to correct the problem because you can't make Filet Mignon out of pork rinds. That's the unfortunate and frustrating reality of our situation.
 
I read where ND fears RB as a runner/scrambling passer more than anything.Since RB is not going to run or be tackled in a scrimmage (I assume)that part of the result is understandable.
What bothers me is a 4th yr QB SHOULD BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE DEF NEWBIES.So goes back to an O line AGAIN not ready and/or RB just imploding.btw-this discussion would have been very understandable this time LAST yr but THIS yr? pleeeeeze
 
Criticizing our QB and coaches based on statistics from a scrimmage is just stupid.
 
Newbies? 3rd & 4th year guys are not...

newbies! They should know the defense by now.
 
BarrelORum said:
I'm no defender of Lawbee. Half the stuff he says on this board is so abosolutely ridiculous it better belongs on a Circus Clown forum for people that have smiles plastered to their face 24/7.

That said, what "options" are you talking about SLJ? Are you saying we have better options than Ball right now? If that's what you are saying then I think you may be completely disconnected to the program. Taylor Bennett has not done anything and while Garner has had a couple of decent scrimmages, he has not really shown up in practice. I'm pretty sure Gailey is as frustrated with Ball as we all are, so why wouldn't he jump at the opportunity to play someone else if that was a legitimate option?
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Lawbee said Reggie was the best option every year he has been here at Tech. He is wrong. I don't want to rehash the debates of the past 3 years but Reggie was not the best option. As for this year I think that whether or not Reggie is the best option is at best a 50/50 tossup.
 
According to those that were there, the D had all the advantages (snap count, full blitz package, no audibles allowed) and were in Reggie's face the whole time he was in. I don't know that we can tell at this point whether he couldn't make the reads or simply didn't have the time to. He couldn't check off when he say the blitz coming evidently and had to simply hope the OL could pick it up.
 
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According to those that were there, the D had all the advantages (snap count, full blitz package, no audibles allowed) and were in Reggie's face the whole time he was in. I don't know that we can tell at this point whether he couldn't make the reads or simply didn't have the time to. He couldn't check off when he say the blitz coming evidently and had to simply hope the OL could pick it up.
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ncjacket: There is more in today's AJC about Gailey's reaction to the offense in Saturday's scrimmage. To sum it up: Gailey suggests that after they view the film that several players on the offense had better take a clue from their performance in the scrimmage, that as competitors they had better be upset with themselves.

Apparently Gailey knows more about the parameters of the scrimmage than most of these guys who have stated they saw it and are trying to excuse what happen. Gailey expected the offense to hold it's own and it failed.

I find it hilarious that Gailey is demanding and expecting better execution from the offense at every scrimmage and many here instead want to dismiss and find excuses for the problems with the performance.
 
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