Offense meltdown today.....

[ncjacket]

No, what I think is hilarious is those who can't see any degrees in thinking. There aren't two possible positions...I think it was terrible or I think it was fine. There's a lot of middle ground. Meaning, everyone here is concerned about the performance. But some evidently think we need to fire Nix, fire coach D and change QBs. Others are saying the offense sucked but that there were clearly problems with the line for a number of reasons. Those in turn meant that nothing else was going to work All of which are concerns and have to be addressed. But most of all, IT'S THE FIRST SCRIMMAGE. Gailey hasn't demoted anyone that I'm aware of yet. Of course he wasn't pleased, nor was anyone else. But it's a work in progress which is to his point. Some guys didn't react well and have to pick it up.

BTW, wonder if Gailey purposely put the O in that position to see who would react in what way? No one has refuted the claim about no audibles and we know that QBs were down on the first touch. If our offense is supposed to include a healthy dose of RB on the run, that's gone from the package and it pretty much takes away any worries the D has on blitzes.

I'm always amazed at the simplistic approach many take. Either it's A or it's B. I always thought Tech fans/grads were a little more sophisticated than that.

 

[Bogey]

ncjacket:
I find it hilarious that Gailey is demanding and expecting better execution from the offense at every scrimmage and many here instead want to dismiss and find excuses for the problems with the performance.

Exactly, ala Patrick Nix. I applaud CG for calling a spade a spade.

 

[BarrelORum]

Lawbee said Reggie was the best option every year he has been here at Tech. He is wrong. I don't want to rehash the debates of the past 3 years but Reggie was not the best option. As for this year I think that whether or not Reggie is the best option is at best a 50/50 tossup.

state, I can agree to an extent but fortunately for us we have the ability to play Monday morning QB of what we should have done, instead of what to do.

Outside of Suggs' senior year, I don't think you have much of an arguement. No one can tell me that we've had a QB in our system that would have been better than Ball except Reggie's freshman year. No one can tell me that Suggs was NOT a better option at QB than Reggie.

The problem as I saw it that year was because the seniors the prior year had totally given up on Gailey. This is common with new coaches and old players who are loyal to their coaches. I spoke with guys who played for Ross and Curry, and Curry's recruits did not respond to Ross their first year. In fact, they couldn;t stand him. Gailey had a lot of that his first year so I think in 2003, his second season, he made a move to start Ball because he couldn't take the risk of having his field general be a guy who may be in the group of players who had given up on Gailey the season before.

Having said that, in hindsight (which is 20/20) I would have easily kept Bilbo at QB knowing what I know now. You cannot tell me that we would have had less production from Bilbo than we did with Ball in Ball's second season. Sorry, not buying it. I bought it then... but now having seen the product for going on 4 years with Ball, you cannot tell me Bilbo helped the team more as a WR than a QB. Maybe Ball would have started still, and I don't doubt he would, but I think we would have had a guy in place to relieve him on the many occassions we needed to.

But this is all in the past, and to me Gailey is just beginning to make strides as to settling into this job and really building a contender. The past is the past, and I;m not harping on that. unfortunately though, I am now of the opinion that until we get a new field General we are only capable of what the surrounding cast can produce. Reggie's a competitor and I love that in him, but he's not going to be the game breaking QB we want him to. He can win you 7 games, and probably 8 or 9 if the surrounding cast comes through. But I don't think we'll ever know what Gailey is capable of as a coach until after this year.

I hate to say that because ultimately, that's Gailey's responsiblity. But I'm also not going to let the past upset me to the point where that is all I can harp on. That's utterly pointless.

 

[statelinejacket]

No, what I think is hilarious is those who can't see any degrees in thinking. There aren't two possible positions...I think it was terrible or I think it was fine. There's a lot of middle ground. Meaning, everyone here is concerned about the performance. But some evidently think we need to fire Nix, fire coach D and change QBs. Others are saying the offense sucked but that there were clearly problems with the line for a number of reasons. Those in turn meant that nothing else was going to work All of which are concerns and have to be addressed. But most of all, IT'S THE FIRST SCRIMMAGE. Gailey hasn't demoted anyone that I'm aware of yet. Of course he wasn't pleased, nor was anyone else. But it's a work in progress which is to his point. Some guys didn't react well and have to pick it up.

BTW, wonder if Gailey purposely put the O in that position to see who would react in what way? No one has refuted the claim about no audibles and we know that QBs were down on the first touch. If our offense is supposed to include a healthy dose of RB on the run, that's gone from the package and it pretty much takes away any worries the D has on blitzes.

I'm always amazed at the simplistic approach many take. Either it's A or it's B. I always thought Tech fans/grads were a little more sophisticated than that.

ncjacket: First: I'm not one or the other, I'm not calling for anyone to be fired. I do believe we to exercise extreme urgency at the quarterback position......prepare Garner and Bennett with some time with the first string and extra game preparation with Pat Nix.

Second: This idea running around these boards that Reggie will be running the ball more this year....and so a big reason why he wasn't effective in the scrimmage is preposterous.....that is if he is also is suppose to be getting Calvin Johnson the ball with a helluva lot more frequency.

Folks, we need a quarterback who will make his surronding cast better, not someone to take over the game. If Reggie can't do it.....and time is rapidily running out on that judgement.....then we need to see first Garner and then Bennett.

It's another year and another chance for Reggie Ball. If he isn't ready by now the percentages say he never will be.

 

[statelinejacket]

Barrel: I agree, with both Suggs and Bilbo gone it is pointless to rehash old arguments.

 

[ncjacket]

ncjacket: First: I'm not one or the other, I'm not calling for anyone to be fired. I do believe we to exercise extreme urgency at the quarterback position......prepare Garner and Bennett with some time with the first string and extra game preparation with Pat Nix.

Second: This idea running around these boards that Reggie will be running the ball more this year....and so a big reason why he wasn't effective in the scrimmage is preposterous.....that is if he is also is suppose to be getting Calvin Johnson the ball with a helluva lot more frequency.

Folks, we need a quarterback who will make his surronding cast better, not someone to take over the game. If Reggie can't do it.....and time is rapidily running out on that judgement.....then we need to see first Garner and then Bennett.

It's another year and another chance for Reggie Ball. If he isn't ready by now the percentages say he never will be.

I wasn't speaking specifically to you stateline, more of a general comment. But yes, there have been several posts on from insiders that Reggie may be running more this year than before, by design. I didn't say anything about that effecting his passing, only that it limited the offense. If QBs weren't allowed to run or get hit, it meant part of our playbook was taken away. Plus if the D doesn't have to worry about Reggie running, they can pin their ears back on the blitz.

I also didn't say that was the reason for the problems, but that it contributed to the offense not having all their options available. If Reggie wasn't allowed to audible, as claimed, then even if he saw a blitz coming he could only run the play called and hope the line could handle it.

I completely agree that this is the time for Reggie to step up, or for someone else to take over. But, as I've said numerous times in this thread, can we please wait til we play a game to give up on him?