Paul Johnson and retirement

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  1. GEETEELEE

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    no. no assumption on that at all.
    But it's a different time and different era with different people.
     
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    He very well may have said something to Ken - but completely off the record.
    Don’t know that to be so, just postulating
     
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    Somehow I ended up in a thread from last year and found this post of yours:
    I didn't necrobump it and I dont know how else to go about telling you this is a brilliant idea. PMs are for perverts.
     
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    Collins hasn't proved anything yet except how to call a timeout before we've even run 1 play. lets wait and see how many "commits" fax their paperwork in on NSD.
     
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    The thing is, I’d be really pissed if the 2014 team lost to UGA the second time around. But maybe that investment is exactly why this makes commercial sense. We’d have a tough time getting Shaq back from the Pats though.
     
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    With all due respect, STFU.
     
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    i've said before CPJ has Air Raid in his roots/blood. if he had been willing to change or adapt offense to throw the ball more.. could have been different story. i always thought he could turn us in to Oregon of the East if he went that way.
     
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    I think he came in and saw the personnel available and it fit the TO so he stuck with it..

    but same, I wondered why he didn’t switch it up to the run and shoot concepts he ran in Hawaii etc

    TO was effective but bad for recruiting and overall long term roster talent. At least throwing teams have to recruit talented pass blocking o-line and QBs instead of athletes.

    that would’ve left us with somewhat decent of a roster nevertheless his recruiting woes while here due to restrictions, AD, what have you
     
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    This is my issue with the excuses. Yeah, we were not adequately funded like our ACC peers, but we were way too lazy with our approach in the things that didn’t cost much money on our end.

    Having an atmosphere in the football facilities that didn’t resemble a morgue as recruits described it.

    Having a presence at ALL metro Atlanta HS. No reason for some schools to say they haven’t seen us in 11yrs

    Marketing your 7on7 to the top schools in the area and to your current commits team to participate. You kill 2 birds with that stuff

    How about having more than 2 FB camps and solely basing your OL scholarship off that one camp!

    CPJ definitely had one hand tied behind his back but he sure did supply the rope for it to happen
     
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    I think it's as simple as who was playing QB. When we had a decent passing QB and NFL WR's, we had a pretty good passing attack in 2009 and 2014. Other than that we mostly had running backs trying to pass the ball to guys who couldn't get separation.

    It all comes down to recruiting. I don't blame CPJ at all for being stubborn about his offensive system, because it was easily among the best in the country. But we should have done a lot more to try to attract top talent to play in it.
     
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    ain't no stingtalk law says you got to give him that much respect
     
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    Hard to disagree with this - especially your second part. IMO people clamoring for him to change the offense were wasting their time. He had an elite offensive system, and that was 100% of the reason we hired him. But that doesn't mean we can't be strategic about how we portray ourselves to recruits.

    As far as the passing league part, I'm not sure if I buy that. UGA is recruiting like gangbusters, and their offense is boring and pedestrian. LSU was rolling in the 5* players for years while having one of the worst passing attacks in all of FBS. Even Alabama wasn't much for passing before Tua came in and they revamped the offense. But those were cool programs, so players flocked there. Our offense from 2017-2018 was not gonna blow people's doors off, but when we had a good QB I think we passed enough (and passed well) that we should have been able to do better in recruiting.
     
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    What I mean by that is this:
    - linemen want to pass block because they're going to be graded at the combines and in their scouting reports by the ability to do such.
    - receivers want to have more on tape than primarily running verticals or 9-routes
    - quarterbacks need tape of them throwing and reading defenses...this, to me, was the biggest downfall in our recruiting because we had to recruit for running ability first and even ones like JT who were decently proficient at passing never had to stand at the line and read a defense and change his protection scheme...something that means that you're not getting QBs who are going to have NFL aspirations, even if they are very good at running your system
    - running backs are the ones that befuddle me. I would think RB's would want to play in that system more than any...but I'm just guessing when I say the hand-on-the-ground issue might be part of it. Probably some of it is the B-back was primarily running between the tackles most of the time and RB's who want to play in the NFL want to show what they can do from coming 7-yards deep.

    But the NFL has definitely become a passing league...evidenced by the sheer rarity of running backs going in the first rounds anymore. I distinctly remember hearing one of the guys on the draft show last year saying that he would almost never draft a running back in the first round because you can find guys who can run the ball in the 3rd or 4th round. And only the Ravens, 49ers and Vikings have run the ball more than they passed this year...and those were all close to 50%.
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    Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer! :)

    This makes me two-for-two with unpopular posts right before a coaching change. In a thread on The Hive titled "Who would you suggest we get?" that implied there were no better options than Gailey available I listed like 20 people and got banned. Chan got fired same day.

    My timing wasn't as spot on this time, but turns out Schultz was right.



    But I actually enjoyed the AJC read. PJ is one of the all time great CFB coaches, and the highest highs were worth the lowest lows of his tenure. And if it weren't for rule changes, a bad AD hamstringing him, and a sometimes nasty inability to field a good defense and special teams he'd likely still be here. Also Sewak.
     
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    Wow, reading over this post - that was pretty creative in how you put that together...
     
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    I listened to Dabo the other night and he spoke of his philosophy.

    It is about Fun. His kids know each season is a restart - not an extenson of the year before.

    Kids did not, in a total program environment, want to play in our old system.

    We Never built a good D, etc. All old news now.

    We hurt GT by not embracing greater goals going forward. Past us gone.