Sims + Clayton

BranMart said:
Or we could hide all our linemen on the track team as shot putters for two years and let them grow. Then redshirt the 3rd year and hit the field in senior bodies with all 4 seasond to go.
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5 year clock starts when you enroll in school.

Guys could theoretically wait a few years after high school before enrolling in college, using that time to finish growing. The reason people don't do that often is because you are essentially putting your life/potential career on hold for a chance to play college football, and it's tough to stay in football shape independent of a team. Anyone that focused on football would have probably been good enough to find a spot somewhere right out of high school. I could see a late bloomer or fringe FCS type guy taking a year to develop and trying for an FBS offer, but it's tough for that guy to then get a scholarship offer after not playing ball for a year or more. He'd probably have to walk-on somewhere. It basically only makes sense for a guy in very specific circumstances that has enough family money to take a gap year or 2, or pursue another pro sport.

All-in-all, it's probably for the best that 25+ year old grown men don't become the norm in college football.
 
Walton said:
This isn't the only example of Michigan doing this. It happened with the transfer that claimed mental issues and Harbaugh then had a quote in the news talking about "transfers faking mental issues".

In that case, Harbaugh said they did nothing to stop the transfer but they put wording in his paper work that was used against the transfer; so the exact same thing that happened to Sims. There was also a dispute about how the conservation went with Harbaugh. The player and his parents' story is almost the opposite of Harbaugh.

Maybe there is some defense but I think Michigan is being a piece of öööö on the issue and knows exactly what they are doing. Harbaugh is a weird and vindictive dude and either he is telling his back office people to do it or he doesn't care enough to be fair in the process.
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Looks like other ex-MI players experienced similar treatment.
https://amp.knoxnews.com/amp/2104170001
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
https://tennessee.rivals.com/news/b...transfer-aubrey-solomon-immediate-eligibility

öööö the NCAA.

This makes cheering for college sports really really hard. Seriously, why is Tech even trying to compete?

öööööööööööö lives in bumb öööö souop th Georgia and gets to immediately play at a school hundreds of miles away.
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If you transfer to the top schools according to the NCAA in the SEC, Big 10 or ACC. plus ND you are eligible immediately. If you transfer to any other school, you lose a year. This is the actual rule.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
If you transfer to the top schools according to the NCAA in the SEC, Big 10 or ACC. plus ND you are eligible immediately. If you transfer to any other school, you lose a year. This is the actual rule.
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Apparently true.
 
Helluva Entrepreneur said:
5 year clock starts when you enroll in school.

Guys could theoretically wait a few years after high school before enrolling in college, using that time to finish growing. The reason people don't do that often is because you are essentially putting your life/potential career on hold for a chance to play college football, and it's tough to stay in football shape independent of a team. Anyone that focused on football would have probably been good enough to find a spot somewhere right out of high school. I could see a late bloomer or fringe FCS type guy taking a year to develop and trying for an FBS offer, but it's tough for that guy to then get a scholarship offer after not playing ball for a year or more. He'd probably have to walk-on somewhere. It basically only makes sense for a guy in very specific circumstances that has enough family money to take a gap year or 2, or pursue another pro sport.

All-in-all, it's probably for the best that 25+ year old grown men don't become the norm in college football.
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The five year clock starts at high school graduation. It's usually only delayed by military service or religious missions.
 
floridajacket said:
The five year clock starts at high school graduation. It's usually only delayed by military service or religious missions.
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No, it’s college enrollment.

Division I five-year clock: If you play at a Division I school, you have five-calendar years in which to play four seasons of competition. Your five-year clock starts when you enroll as a full-time student at any college. Thereafter, your clock continues, even if you spend an academic year in residence as a result of transferring; decide to red shirt, if you do not attend school or even if you go part-time during your college career.
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http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms
 
The next rule, 14.2.3.2.1, counts the year starting from high graduation or when the class of high school, based on first year of high school, graduates.

Edit: It's actually one year after your high school graduation, or when you normally would have graduated high school, when the clock starts. It can be delayed more for sports other than football, such as tennis or hockey. It seems to be tightened from when FSU had that 26 year old quarterback.
 
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floridajacket said:
The next rule, 14.2.3.2.1, counts the year starting from high graduation or when the class of high school, based on first year of high school, graduates.

Edit: It's actually one year after your high school graduation, or when you normally would have graduated high school, when the clock starts. It can be delayed more for sports other than football, such as tennis or hockey. It seems to be tightened from when FSU had that 26 year old quarterback.
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https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008

I don’t see a 14.2.3.2.1 in here. But now that you mention it, I vaguely remember having this discussion before and you being right. I’ll see if I can find it in the rule book

Yes, you’re right. It’s 12.8.3.2.1

12.8.3.2.1 Sports Other Than Men's Ice Hockey, Skiing and Tennis. In sports other than men's ice hockey, skiing and tennis, a student-athlete who does not enroll in a collegiate institution as a full-time student in a regular academic term during a one-year time period after his or her high school graduation date or the graduation date of his or her class (as determined by the first year of high school enrollment or the international equivalent as specified in the NCAA Guide to International Academic Standards for Athletics Eligibility and based on the prescribed educational path in the student-athlete's country), whichever occurs earlier, shall be subject to the following: (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/97, Revised: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 4/20/09, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/11 applicable to student-athletes who initially enroll full time in a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/11, 7/31/14)

(a) The student-athlete shall be charged with a season of intercollegiate eligibility for each calendar year after the one- year time period (the next opportunity to enroll after one calendar year has elapsed) and prior to full-time collegiate enrollment during which the student-athlete has participated in organized competition per Bylaw 12.02.9.

(b) After the one-year time period, if the student-athlete has engaged in competition per Bylaw 12.02.9, on matriculation at the certifying institution, the student-athlete must fulfill an academic year of residence before being eligible to represent the institution in intercollegiate competition.
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That was the rule number in the 2013-14 bylaws, which in all honesty was what came up when I googled for the bylaws.
 
It's not from the time you graduate; it's when you first enroll at school. I don't know how they interpret those rules you guys mentioned but there have been several cases that would disprove what you're saying about it starting at the time of HS graduation. Chris Weinke is a notable example, but as was pointed out earlier in this thread, there's a current example as well.

Jake Skole was drafted in the 2010 draft after graduating from HS and signed a huge signing bonus to play baseball. He's now on the team at UGA. If the 5 year clock had started at HS graduation, he'd be ineligible to play right now. And he's a RS Sophomore.

https://georgiadogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4011
 
The older rules included stopping the clock for minor league baseball. The rule now only does that for tennis and hockey.
 
daBuzz said:
It's not from the time you graduate; it's when you first enroll at school. I don't know how they interpret those rules you guys mentioned but there have been several cases that would disprove what you're saying about it starting at the time of HS graduation. Chris Weinke is a notable example, but as was pointed out earlier in this thread, there's a current example as well.

Jake Skole was drafted in the 2010 draft after graduating from HS and signed a huge signing bonus to play baseball. He's now on the team at UGA. If the 5 year clock had started at HS graduation, he'd be ineligible to play right now. And he's a RS Sophomore.

https://georgiadogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4011
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It is UGA so the rules are merely suggestions for them. If Jake had wanted to play here he'd be ineligible.
 
daBuzz said:
It's not from the time you graduate; it's when you first enroll at school. I don't know how they interpret those rules you guys mentioned but there have been several cases that would disprove what you're saying about it starting at the time of HS graduation. Chris Weinke is a notable example, but as was pointed out earlier in this thread, there's a current example as well.

Jake Skole was drafted in the 2010 draft after graduating from HS and signed a huge signing bonus to play baseball. He's now on the team at UGA. If the 5 year clock had started at HS graduation, he'd be ineligible to play right now. And he's a RS Sophomore.

https://georgiadogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4011
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Brandon Weeden also has a pretty crazy story.

Drafted in 2002 2nd rd by Yankees
Included in a Trade to Dodgers also involving Kevin Brown
Stopped playing baseball in 2006
Enrolled @ OK State in 2007
Drafted in 2012 22nd overall by Browns - 28 years old
 
floridajacket said:
The next rule, 14.2.3.2.1, counts the year starting from high graduation or when the class of high school, based on first year of high school, graduates.

Edit: It's actually one year after your high school graduation, or when you normally would have graduated high school, when the clock starts. It can be delayed more for sports other than football, such as tennis or hockey. It seems to be tightened from when FSU had that 26 year old quarterback.
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You guys are picking and choosing losing context of the manual a bit. Both rules are in there.

12.8.1.1 specifically states the START of the 5 year rule. Which specifically and clearly says a student should be registered and enrolled at a school and it starts their clock...if they are not enrolled, and not competing in sport then the clock does not start.

you guys are quoting 12.8.3.2 which is delayed enrollment in seasons of competition. Which means they are competing in a sport after high school not enrolled, and if they continue to do so they lose eligibility for one year each year after high school for which they competed in if not enrolled the next calendar year. This is not the same as a kid who does nothing then enrolls 2 years later. This rule is specifically about competition after high school but not enrolled. They go on to explain the exceptions, like competing in athletics while part of the military for instance. So this rule, if I read it right should affect the chris weinke deal, competing for 4-5 years after high school would have exhausted his eligibility. But it would not affect someone who graduates, waits two years to enroll in college but does nothing in meantime then starts...he would still have 5 years.

So it appears depending on the kids scenario both rules are right. One is enrollment, the other is if the kid is competing in sport not enrolled for a few years then enrolls

slide 36 explains this
https://slideplayer.com/slide/5328243/
 
daBuzz said:
It's not from the time you graduate; it's when you first enroll at school. I don't know how they interpret those rules you guys mentioned but there have been several cases that would disprove what you're saying about it starting at the time of HS graduation. Chris Weinke is a notable example, but as was pointed out earlier in this thread, there's a current example as well.

Jake Skole was drafted in the 2010 draft after graduating from HS and signed a huge signing bonus to play baseball. He's now on the team at UGA. If the 5 year clock had started at HS graduation, he'd be ineligible to play right now. And he's a RS Sophomore.

https://georgiadogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4011
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Skole is still on that team? What is he 40?
 
I'm not exactly proud of it, but I googled the 2000 NCAA bylaws. The 2000 bylaws started the clock when you turned 21 and played in an organized sport, but only for *that sport*. So Weinke playing baseball started the clock on playing college baseball, but not football.

The clock is started now with the high school graduation rule, if the player apparently does any organized contest in any sport. Even church intramural leagues can apparently start the clock (the NCAA is dumb).

So an athlete can rigorously keep the clock from starting by not enrolling or by playing any competition. But college football players don't bulk up for two years after high school, for many reasons.
 
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