Slow Progress

GTRules said:
Whatever you have to tell yourself.
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Me? You’re the dolt that asked how many underclass DBs we had…and then you asked me to name them. Then, you go on to tell Bainbridge he doesn’t follow the team and should have no voice.

The fact is that everyone keeps complaining that we need more time for the offense to be reconstructed, while this coach is incapable of coaching up the defense. Shouldn’t we at least expect them to be at least as good as what they inherited?
 
76tornados said:
What game did Yates have the most TD passes?
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I think I see where you are going the best head to head comparison of Sims & Yates passing is NIU:

Sims 3/8, 0 td, 0 int
Yates 12/18, 1 td, 0 int

and UNC,

Sims 10/13, 1 td, 0 int
Yates 3/6, 0 td, 0 int

Bottom line is that Yates has the better passing stats this year, nothing there to laugh about. Sims has the better running ability and some opinions are Sims has the higher future potential.
 
The Champ said:
Sims vs ACC
109-179 Passing; 1,445 yards; 12 TDs; 7 INTs; 8.1 YPA; 61% Completion
64 rushes for 338 Yards; 4 TDs; 5.3 YPC

Yates vs ACC
23-40 Passing; 224 Yards; 0 TD; 1 INT; 5.6 YPA; 57% Completion
19 rushes for 24 Yards; 0 TD; 1.3 YPC
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Yates has zero ints this year according to the stats I'm looking at right now. So I don't know how he ends up with one when you break out ACC stats. :dunno:
 
aeromech said:
Yates has zero ints this year according to the stats I'm looking at right now. So I don't know how he ends up with one when you break out ACC stats. :dunno:
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Not sure. I was looking at ESPN. Doesn’t really make a huge difference though to the comparison. One QB is capable of putting points of the board and moving the ball ground/air, the other isn’t. If the defense is going to give up 30-50 ppg, we better roll the dice with the guy that is moving the ball even if he might be give it away a few times

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GTCrew4b said:
Lies.

recruiting ranks:
2013: 70
2014: 50
2015: 44
2016: 60
2017: 48
2018: 44

why do we lie to ourselves about where we were and what we were doing under Johnson? Why?

why does Collins automatically get 2 gimme years? Are we honestly saying a bowl in year 4 is where we thought we would be when hiring him? Then why the öööö did we get away from the system that gave us bowls nearly every year?
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It’s not lies, you’re avoiding the facts that paint a more accurate narrative.
  1. The OL recruiting classes have been shared here numerous times, and the last 3-4 classes were pathetic. Anyone would tell you that games are won and lost in the trenches, all other talent be damned. It is what it is.
  2. I loved the PJ era, but our lines were so bad those last couple of years we were manhandled against ugag and Clemson, never had a shot. It was unsustainable.
  3. On that note, the only real consistency we had since 2015 was against teams that clearly didn’t dedicate a lot of time to practicing the option and got showed up. That’s not sustainable for success or bowls.
  4. Again, years 1 and 2 were going to be crap shoots given the state of the OL, the SOS, and the transition was the cherry on top. It would have been crap shoots under PJ as well, he was in a no win situation and had been complaining more and more over the years about the state of the program not lining up with the expectations of the fan base. Take it from the horses mouth.
  5. A bowl game in year 4 has been the reasonable expectation since the day PJ announced retirement.
I’m not some GC loving zombie. The dude gives me serious concern with how much talent we have in the secondary and how poorly we’ve played all season and the number of blown coverages. He’s not without fault for the state of the program and how we could, with better coaching, be further along. But to think there weren’t significant hurdles to clear during the transition isn’t living in reality.
 
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I love how we bring up getting manhandled by clemson and UGA as evidence we were terrible. Despite them both only losing to National title contending teams during that same timeframe. This is what Pj talks about with not lining up to expectation. We were apparently supposed to be going .500 against teams winning at a combined .950 percentage.

If back to bowl games was everyone’s reasonable expectation in year 4…I’m not even sure what to think. Was Geoff Collins hired in solely to get us back to where we were when PJ left with a different offense? Bizarre. Why wouldn’t we expect at least what we got away from?

I don’t think the line would’ve been as bad had PJ stayed. We had done well with patchwork lines in the past. In addition our best lineman transferred following the retirement.

I don’t understand the consistency comment. We were pretty Close to the top of the conference division as recently as 2018 which included a loss to Clemson. Meaning we went 4-2 against our division that year. You’d think we’d be a lot worse given all the years those teams had seen the option. Really nothing anyone says about the end of the PJ era is grounded in facts. People like to say it is. But down to it they were mad we lost to Duke and couldn’t beat Clemson or UGA. Should they be mad about that? Maybe. Should it cause us to think it necessary to burn it all down? Definitely not.

and we won 3 of our last 5 bowl games.
 
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MidnightJacket said:
It’s not lies, you’re avoiding the facts that paint a more accurate narrative.
  1. The OL recruiting classes have been shared here numerous times, and the last 3-4 classes were pathetic. Anyone would tell you that games are won and lost in the trenches, all other talent be damned. It is what it is.
  2. I loved the PJ era, but our lines were so bad those last couple of years we were manhandled against ugag and Clemson, never had a shot. It was unsustainable.
  3. On that note, the only real consistency we had since 2015 was against teams that clearly didn’t dedicate a lot of time to practicing the option and got showed up. That’s not sustainable for success or bowls.
  4. Again, years 1 and 2 were going to be crap shoots given the state of the OL, the SOS, and the transition was the cherry on top. It would have been crap shoots under PJ as well, he was in a no win situation and had been complaining more and more over the years about the state of the program not lining up with the expectations of the fan base. Take it from the horses mouth.
  5. A bowl game in year 4 has been the reasonable expectation since the day PJ announced retirement.
I’m not some GC loving zombie. The dude gives me serious concern with how much talent we have in the secondary and how poorly we’ve played all season and the number of blown coverages. He’s not without fault for the state of the program and how we could, with better coaching, be further along. But to think there weren’t significant hurdles to clear during the transition isn’t living in reality.
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Thanks for the detailed, well reasoned info.

Do you have any guesses why our DBs are so bad, we have a bunch of guys that look like they came from "Central Casting" playing DB for us, they are all tall, most are fast based on the catapult data.

But when they get in Game situations, they just flat out refuse to play things with sound mental fundamentals, they do things that are head scratching, things that make me say, there's no way that his Coaches taught him to do that and WTF was he thinking?

Our DBs have 7 to 10 of those every game instead of 1 or 2.

What is going on with that position group?
 
GTCrew4b said:
I love how we bring up getting manhandled by clemson and UGA as evidence we were terrible. Despite them both only losing to National title contending teams during that same timeframe. This is what Pj talks about with not lining up to expectation. We were apparently supposed to be going .500 against teams winning at a combined .950 percentage.

If back to bowl games was everyone’s reasonable expectation in year 4…I’m not even sure what to think. Was Geoff Collins hired in solely to get us back to where we were when PJ left with a different offense? Bizarre. Why wouldn’t we expect at least what we got away from?

I don’t think the line would’ve been as bad had PJ stayed. We had done well with patchwork lines in the past. In addition our best lineman transferred following the retirement.

I don’t understand the consistency comment. We were pretty Close to the top of the conference division as recently as 2018 which included a loss to Clemson. Meaning we went 4-2 against our division that year. You’d think we’d be a lot worse given all the years those teams had seen the option. Really nothing anyone says about the end of the PJ era is grounded in facts. People like to say it is. But down to it they were mad we lost to Duke and couldn’t beat Clemson or UGA. Should they be mad about that? Maybe. Should it cause us to think it necessary to burn it all down? Definitely not.

and we won 3 of our last 5 bowl games.
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Dude, give up the ghost. He's retired and happy to be retired. He saw the writing on the wall and got while the getting was good. We shouldn't let ourselves become GSU by flirting with the option disciples only to be good, but never as great as we were under Paul with disaster under every coach not running option as the base.

It's total revisionist history to suggest that it wasn't known early in the Paul era that we were going to have a few bad years when his time was done. With the transfer portal and level of recruiting over the past couple of years, we needed to be a bowl team this year and that we suck this much is indicative that this staff sucks, not that we should relegate ourselves to being one of the academies.
 
My point is this: the fear was CPJ would fail here AND THEN it would be difficult to get away from the option. He did not fail here. He was not failing here. We chose to get away from the option for no reason other than we wanted to throw more and be like everyone else.

A few bad years does not equate to the worst period of GT football in its history.
 
The Champ said:
Not sure. I was looking at ESPN. Doesn’t really make a huge difference though to the comparison. One QB is capable of putting points of the board and moving the ball ground/air, the other isn’t. If the defense is going to give up 30-50 ppg, we better roll the dice with the guy that is moving the ball even if he might be give it away a few times

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It was pretty clear that one of the QB's wasn't able to put points on the board against Miami. It would have been interesting to at least give the other ATL QB a series or 2 late in the 3rd quarter to see if we could find a spark. We don't seem to have any trouble putting our best player (Gibbs) on the sideline, why not a QB who is having a rough day?
 
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MidnightJacket said:
It’s not lies, you’re avoiding the facts that paint a more accurate narrative.
  1. The OL recruiting classes have been shared here numerous times, and the last 3-4 classes were pathetic. Anyone would tell you that games are won and lost in the trenches, all other talent be damned. It is what it is.
  2. I loved the PJ era, but our lines were so bad those last couple of years we were manhandled against ugag and Clemson, never had a shot. It was unsustainable.
  3. On that note, the only real consistency we had since 2015 was against teams that clearly didn’t dedicate a lot of time to practicing the option and got showed up. That’s not sustainable for success or bowls.
  4. Again, years 1 and 2 were going to be crap shoots given the state of the OL, the SOS, and the transition was the cherry on top. It would have been crap shoots under PJ as well, he was in a no win situation and had been complaining more and more over the years about the state of the program not lining up with the expectations of the fan base. Take it from the horses mouth.
  5. A bowl game in year 4 has been the reasonable expectation since the day PJ announced retirement.
I’m not some GC loving zombie. The dude gives me serious concern with how much talent we have in the secondary and how poorly we’ve played all season and the number of blown coverages. He’s not without fault for the state of the program and how we could, with better coaching, be further along. But to think there weren’t significant hurdles to clear during the transition isn’t living in reality.
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1. Is an imaginary construct a bunch of posters have latched onto. The 'our OL was less than 6 foot tall' BS that was repeated over and over; but some those pathetic midgets that CPJ recruited on the OL are somehow not being beat out by our recruits and transfers. In fact, on Saturday when Minihan went out the offense collapsed and there is one poster on here who repeatedly complained that the new guy was worse.

No doubt CPJ OL were recruited to run a different offense; but there is more going on there with OL than you can simply blame on CPJ OL recruits.

CPJ didn't leave a roster that was completely bare and depleted like several posters on here keep repeating ad nauseum. CPJ left a roster that one of his disciples could come in a be successful with. A good OC could also have come up with a decent non-triple option offense with the talent that was left here, much of which is still making key contributions. But we all know that didn't happen, we got PNope and started running an offense that didn't fit the roster at all, and started doing who knows what on the OL. And I don't believe for half a second the latest tripe that it takes 3+ years to teach on OL how to block.

We are in year 3 and the only position group that is arguable playing better then when CPJ left is the RB's.
 
GTCrew4b said:
I love how we bring up getting manhandled by clemson and UGA as evidence we were terrible. Despite them both only losing to National title contending teams during that same timeframe. This is what Pj talks about with not lining up to expectation. We were apparently supposed to be going .500 against teams winning at a combined .950 percentage.

If back to bowl games was everyone’s reasonable expectation in year 4…I’m not even sure what to think. Was Geoff Collins hired in solely to get us back to where we were when PJ left with a different offense? Bizarre. Why wouldn’t we expect at least what we got away from?

I don’t think the line would’ve been as bad had PJ stayed. We had done well with patchwork lines in the past. In addition our best lineman transferred following the retirement.

I don’t understand the consistency comment. We were pretty Close to the top of the conference division as recently as 2018 which included a loss to Clemson. Meaning we went 4-2 against our division that year. You’d think we’d be a lot worse given all the years those teams had seen the option. Really nothing anyone says about the end of the PJ era is grounded in facts. People like to say it is. But down to it they were mad we lost to Duke and couldn’t beat Clemson or UGA. Should they be mad about that? Maybe. Should it cause us to think it necessary to burn it all down? Definitely not.

and we won 3 of our last 5 bowl games.
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Bowl game? I have heard of those.
 
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