Slow Progress

Interestingly, when you hear any references to us on ESPN or CBS (for whatever reasons - halftime shows, common opponents with who's on, etc), the references are always "Everyone knew it'd take some time to transition out of that triple option offense.".

So outside of some pissed-off ST'ers, most of the college football world that matters knew it was going to take some time for us to be decent....and that includes HS recruits. The PJ Fan Clubbers hate this but they're always going to hate any coach who doesn't run at least 25 QB Keepers every game.
 
JJacket said:
Then why did we suck the last few years if our roster wasn't depleted? We were being manhandled on the line by such big time teams as Duke.

We were shocked and wanted Gailey fired IMMEDIATELY when he dared to lose to Duke. Now, the 3-O apologists spin Duke as to somehow being a world beater the last several years of CPJ. Our offense helped Duke beat us. It helped them in recruiting.
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We were 7-5 and 5-3 in the ACC, you are a pathetic troll intent on making this place suck for any half way serious GT fan. I'm out douchebag.
 
Allen Koholic said:
By year number three, Dabo had Clemson rolling. Hell, you could make an argument that in his first full season, they were exceeding expectations. Dabo is a clown. But his act works. Collins is a clown, and his act doesn't.
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Year 3, Dabo rolling? No, year 3 is when they said well get better coordinators and have dabo manage recruiting and team motivation. They fired the OC.

Unless you aren’t counting 2008 as year 1 for dabo. In which case, year 3 was good and they fired their DC.

I figure we flip that script and fire the DC first.
 
WracerX said:
Year 3, Dabo rolling? No, year 3 is when they said well get better coordinators and have dabo manage recruiting and team motivation. They fired the OC.

Unless you aren’t counting 2008 as year 1 for dabo. In which case, year 3 was good and they fired their DC.

I figure we flip that script and fire the DC first.
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Yea, I wouldn't consider a half-season when Tommy Boy ööööed off to his dad's house as Dabo's first season.
 
GTRules said:
In 2018 4 schools beat us by 4 scores.
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uga and clemson, both of whom rolled a lot of teams.

Minn in a bowl game the players mailed in just like the Tenuta coached bowl.

Who was the 4th?
 
smokey_wasp said:
Yates has put up zero TDs vs Power 5 competition in 6 quarters. Of all the silly things to argue about, a QB controversy is way down the list.
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That's an issue of sample size not ability. 4 of those were against the best defense we've played.
 
MidnightJacket said:
One last point. When Dabo came onto the scene at Clemson, for all the buffoonery he brought, they took OL recruiting seriously to the tune of 4-5 guys every year until they built themselves up into a power. Go look at the recruiting classes for the last however long you want to look under PJ. OL recruiting was around 2 guys a year in a position group that requires 5 starters, where you usually need 3ish years of development to get the body physically ready to play the position. Now look at the priority being given to OLine (and even DLine) recruiting under GC. We may not have the right coordinators to take us to the promised land, but this is the first time I've ever followed Tech where we're finally starting to prioritize the lines and get the size and numbers comparable to our biggest rivals.

That's why GC was given a 7 year contract. This is a marathon.
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Oh look more easily refuted lies.
 
WracerX said:
Fair enough, my point stands that Clemson cleared out the coordinators before the big takeoff. And they spent top dollar on those coordinators.
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Does anyone honestly believe we're going to spend top dollar on coordinators? Because if that's the recipe for success with a dog and pony show head coach, we're ööööed.
 
QuadF said:
That's an issue of sample size not ability. 4 of those were against the best defense we've played.
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Eyeball test. Sims can make plays Yates can't. Yates could work with a good OL and good defense. As it is, we need big play ability because the line can't hold for a long drive without a couple WTF moments. With Yates, those turn into enormous sacks or intentional grounding. With Sims, maybe he turns it over or maybe he makes a play.

And our defense sucks too much to win by kicking field goals.
 
Allen Koholic said:
Does anyone honestly believe we're going to spend top dollar on coordinators? Because if that's the recipe for success with a dog and pony show head coach, we're ööööed.
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While I think Thacker is more of a problem, we should probably spend real money on an OC first. Offense sells tickets. A 45-42 games fills more seats than 17-14 games.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Oh look more easily refuted lies.
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So to you the priority of OL recruiting is the same between the 2 staffs? Here's the data of the OL recruiting since 2015. This doesn't include transfers, which have been needed due to a lack of upper classman OL available. Obviously, adding in those incoming transfers would puff up the total annual OL recruits for the current staff. If you want to grab the data for those numbers between both staffs for a more complete picture, since it's easily refutable, feel free.

2015: 2 with a combined 1 P5 offers
2016: 2 with a combined 17 P5 offers
2017: 4 with a combined 4 P5 offers
2018: 2 with a combined 1 P5 offers
2019: 0 (2 commits were dropped during the transition)
2020: 6 with a combined 19 P5 offers
2021: 3 with a combined 31 P5 offers
2022 (so far): 3 with a combined 15 P5 offers

So PJs best OL (Parker Braun with 17 offers in 2016) transferred out in 2019, leaving our OL in what kind of shape exactly? So with everything you know about GT and the difficulty of the curriculum and annual attrition, would you say the OL recruiting from 2015 to 2018 was sufficient?


And the other side of this not being discussed yet is the priority on recruiting legitimate DTs, which is the first time I can ever remember it being prioritized since I started following Tech in 2004. I'm not talking about recruiting larger DEs that we end up converting to DTs. We currently have 3 dedicated DTs committed with a combined 57 P5 offers. When is the last time you remember that happening this century?
 
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MidnightJacket said:
So to you the priority of OL recruiting is the same between the 2 staffs? Here's the data of the OL recruiting since 2015. This doesn't include transfers, as transfers have been instrumental in giving us some upper classman linemen given the deficiency in line recruiting from the previous staff.

2015: 2 with a combined 1 P5 offers
2016: 2 with a combined 17 P5 offers
2017: 4 with a combined 4 P5 offers
2018: 2 with a combined 1 P5 offers
2019: 0 (2 commits were dropped during the transition)
2020: 6 with a combined 19 P5 offers
2021: 3 with a combined 31 P5 offers
2022 (so far): 3 with a combined 15 P5 offers

So PJs best OL (Parker Braun with 17 offers in 2016) transferred out in 2019, leaving our OL in what kind of shape exactly? So with everything you know about GT and the difficulty of the curriculum and annual attrition, would you say the OL recruiting from 2015 to 2018 was sufficient?


And the other side of this not being discussed yet is the priority on recruiting legitimate DTs, which is the first time I can ever remember it being prioritized since I started following Tech in 2004. I'm not talking about recruiting larger DEs that we end up converting to DTs. We currently have 3 dedicated DTs committed with a combined 57 P5 offers. When is the last time you remember that happening this century?
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I think everyone is happy with the recruiting efforts. Specifically I’m talking about what you said regarding Dabo and Clemson. It’s not the truth. And when you’re trying to completely transform the O Line it makes sense to take a bunch early on. I doubt sincerely that we continue to take 4-6 and instead average about 2-4 like we did during PJ’s years. PJ did sign too few players so that we wouldn’t Gray/blue/yellow shirt kids. I’m not sure I agree with that strategy.
 
WracerX said:
While I think Thacker is more of a problem, we should probably spend real money on an OC first. Offense sells tickets. A 45-42 games fills more seats than 17-14 games.
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I think with the DL trending up in talent as @MidnightJacket pointed out, could stand another year of Thacker if we replaced the secondary coaches. For spending real money on an OC, could prolly pull some of that out of Key's salary to do it.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Lies.

recruiting ranks:
2013: 70
2014: 50
2015: 44
2016: 60
2017: 48
2018: 44

why do we lie to ourselves about where we were and what we were doing under Johnson? Why?

why does Collins automatically get 2 gimme years? Are we honestly saying a bowl in year 4 is where we thought we would be when hiring him? Then why the öööö did we get away from the system that gave us bowls nearly every year?
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I’ve read for several weeks now the posts on this board and I’ve commented on a few. So the question I have is, is this just a good place to vent or can a group like this influence change of any sort? Everyone seems to be passionate GT supporters of the Academic and Sports side but frustration is rampant. Winning fixes most things or at least covers up for a time being any flaws. So maybe just steady is the course, get through this time and better days are ahead. It’s a tough call and you are in a tough spot and from what I can read money is tight so the options right now may be limited. I know when I saw GT make the move to a new coach I was happy for the program and I’m a UGA guy (past posts explain) but I thought it would take 5 years to turn the ship to winning 8+ games a season.
 
GTLiebs said:
I think with the DL trending up in talent as @MidnightJacket pointed out, could stand another year of Thacker if we replaced the secondary coaches. For spending real money on an OC, could prolly pull some of that out of Key's salary to do it.
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Key is on a 2 year deal, so he would be owed a buyout. He was offered 750k to go to USCe. He isn't going anywhere unless he wants to and he isn't taking a pay cut.
 
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