Spring transfer portal watch

OptionJacket said:
Are you seriously comparing GT to UGA and Bama? Those teams can have those numbers because the linemen they bring in hit at a much higher rate than the leftovers we get. UGA can get 4 and 5 stars linemen and have 5 out of 8 hit. We get 3 stars which means we may get 2 out of 8 to be decent. Using the strategy of “Bama and UGA have the same numbers” has gotten us to the worse lines we’ve had in decades at GT. We are wasting scholarships by having the “same numbers” at RB, WR, and DB when most of those guys will NEVER see the field in a game. Linemen is where we need the numbers until we can start signing 4 and 5 stars.

By game 3 we’ll be seeing the same threads about lack of quality depth along the lines and how we are having to shuffle bodies around all while our fourteen 5’9“ WR’s are waving towels on the bench. Las5 year we had 4 RB’s touch the ball with Hall and Smith getting the vast majority. And we all know we will play at most 4 RB’s again this season yet we have many more scholarship RB’s who will be be towel wavers then portal out like Martin did. Sure, Bama and UGA only need those the numbers of linemen to get 5-8 good ones. We need double their numbers to get 5-8 decent ones.
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GA Tech has 19 OL on the roster. How many are walk-ons, I don't know. You are right that building depth takes time, but we are approaching year 5 of this transition. That's almost half the length of CPJ's tenure at Tech! So, if Bama and UGA have 4-5 out of 8 hit and GA Tech has 2-3, then it should, by application of that ratio, take us twice as long as it does them. If they develop an OL in 2-3 years, then that would mean we have to work 4-6 years to get there. I don't know if those ratios are correct, but they seem so be at least ballpark.

Still, how can a team commit more resources than that to OL? Well, you play 22 guys on your first team. That means you have about 4 full teams of players, with a small group of walk-ons. Kickers and punters are often walk-ons. There are also 8 TE on the roster. Add them to the OL numbers and you have 27 players just along the OL. Number-wise, I'd say TE is high, but OL is low. On balance, I'd like to see 4 full lines or 20 OL on the roster, so they're down about 1 at that position. You really only need 4 TE, so they're up by 4 there. Leonard and Benson are SRs this season, so that may rectify itself. The 6 RB's is definitely not too high as it's a high-injury position and you need 4 to play. There are also 16 WR. Playing 3 in a normal set, that would point to having 12, so we're a bit high there as well. We have 5 QBs with one a walk-on. That is perfect.

On D, we have 22 DL on the roster. Playing 4 at the time would indicate a group need of 16. So, we're highest there. We have 11 LB, which is almost dead on. We have 22 DB on the roster. Playing 4 at the time would indicate a group need of 16, so were highest there, too. We have 2 PK, 1 P, and 1 LS and that is almost perfect.

That's a total of 113 players (see below), 28 over the scholarship limit of 85. So, almost 25% of those numbers are walk-ons. That's your 4th team, or scout team.

So, getting back to OL: If 25% are walk-ons, then there 5 of them and only 14 scholarship OL. Looking at DL, 25% would be 5, so then maybe 17 scholarship DL. That's pretty close.

I think good roster management would say that they need to reduce the number of TE, WR, and DB by about 8 collectively and increase scholarship OL by 6. So, I agree that the number of scholarship OL appears low.

Just my $.02 worth.

Here's the breakdown:
OL - 19
TE - 8
WR - 16
RB - 6
QB - 5
Total - 54

DL - 22
LB - 11
DB - 22
Total - 55

ST - 4

TOTAL - 113
 
OptionJacket said:
Are you seriously comparing GT to UGA and Bama? Those teams can have those numbers because the linemen they bring in hit at a much higher rate than the leftovers we get. UGA can get 4 and 5 stars linemen and have 5 out of 8 hit. We get 3 stars which means we may get 2 out of 8 to be decent. Using the strategy of “Bama and UGA have the same numbers” has gotten us to the worse lines we’ve had in decades at GT. We are wasting scholarships by having the “same numbers” at RB, WR, and DB when most of those guys will NEVER see the field in a game. Linemen is where we need the numbers until we can start signing 4 and 5 stars.

By game 3 we’ll be seeing the same threads about lack of quality depth along the lines and how we are having to shuffle bodies around all while our fourteen 5’9“ WR’s are waving towels on the bench. Las5 year we had 4 RB’s touch the ball with Hall and Smith getting the vast majority. And we all know we will play at most 4 RB’s again this season yet we have many more scholarship RB’s who will be be towel wavers then portal out like Martin did. Sure, Bama and UGA only need those the numbers of linemen to get 5-8 good ones. We need double their numbers to get 5-8 decent ones.
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We also have the same amount of scholarahip OL as Virginia, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State... Should I keep going?
 
GoGATech said:
I'm wondering if Miles was possibly a misevaluation. He was stellar as a Jr but missed his entire Sr high school season to injury. Maybe he never got back to the level they expected.
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I don't know about Miles specifically but a lot of these Spring portal guys are there because of a mutual decision between them and the school. Let's not assume people are leaving for greener pastures.
 
Buddy of mine in Omaha is going to the Nebraska spring game this afternoon. I requested a detailed report on how Sims looks. Turns out I have the B10 network - didn't even know I had it so I might watch it if nothing else is on.
 
MACHETE said:
I don't know about Miles specifically but a lot of these Spring portal guys are there because of a mutual decision between them and the school. Let's not assume people are leaving for greener pastures.
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I would say all of them fit this category so far.
 
GoGATech said:
We also have the same amount of scholarahip OL as Virginia, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State... Should I keep going?
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I get all that you are saying. But we aren’t those other schools. Our OLine has been an issue going on 6 years now. We are in an emergency mode along the line. Maybe I’m the only one who feels that way or sees it. But our QB (whoever it is now, next year, the year after, etc) will never reach their potential behind our OLine. Our RB’s will continue to be middling and the good ones will portal out behind this line.

All I’m saying is if the garage is on fire then maybe use the hose on the garage before the back porch. I’d offer and sign as many OLine as we can and then pray that if we have 30 that we can find 7 who can play. As you noted we are around 20 right now and we know by game 3 that we’ll all be talking about injuries along the OLine and our QB is having to run for his life, and our WR’s are awesome if only we could get them the ball, etc. This is a record on repeat for GT football. It was an issue at the end of the Johnson era and since Key took over the OLine 4 years ago it’s been the same. All I’m asking for is we address the freaking problem that is in front of us and causes us to loss. Having 5 RB’s instead of 8 doesn’t cause us to lose. Having 12 WR’s instead of 16 doesn’t cause us to lose. 8 TE’s is just ridiculous and horrible roster management. I like this staff but we have a lot of waste within the 85 that don’t lead to wins.

And the same for the defensive line. We have more DB’s than we’ll ever use yet we are always thin at DLine. And now we are thinner due to Miles portaling out. Again, having 10 DB’s instead of 14 doesn’t cause us to lose. But being thin on the DLine absolutely causes us to lose. It’s a math problem that is fixable. Bring in 25, find 8 that can play and show the rest the door to the portal, then rinse and repeat. Unless we are a daycare and just let players sit on the 85 to be towel wavers and strive to win 7 a year.
 
OptionJacket said:
I get all that you are saying. But we aren’t those other schools. Our OLine has been an issue going on 6 years now. We are in an emergency mode along the line. Maybe I’m the only one who feels that way or sees it. But our QB (whoever it is now, next year, the year after, etc) will never reach their potential behind our OLine. Our RB’s will continue to be middling and the good ones will portal out behind this line.

All I’m saying is if the garage is on fire then maybe use the hose on the garage before the back porch. I’d offer and sign as many OLine as we can and then pray that if we have 30 that we can find 7 who can play. As you noted we are around 20 right now and we know by game 3 that we’ll all be talking about injuries along the OLine and our QB is having to run for his life, and our WR’s are awesome if only we could get them the ball, etc. This is a record on repeat for GT football. It was an issue at the end of the Johnson era and since Key took over the OLine 4 years ago it’s been the same. All I’m asking for is we address the freaking problem that is in front of us and causes us to loss. Having 5 RB’s instead of 8 doesn’t cause us to lose. Having 12 WR’s instead of 16 doesn’t cause us to lose. 8 TE’s is just ridiculous and horrible roster management. I like this staff but we have a lot of waste within the 85 that don’t lead to wins.

And the same for the defensive line. We have more DB’s than we’ll ever use yet we are always thin at DLine. And now we are thinner due to Miles portaling out. Again, having 10 DB’s instead of 14 doesn’t cause us to lose. But being thin on the DLine absolutely causes us to lose. It’s a math problem that is fixable. Bring in 25, find 8 that can play and show the rest the door to the portal, then rinse and repeat. Unless we are a daycare and just let players sit on the 85 to be towel wavers and strive to win 7 a year.
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OptionJacket said:
I get all that you are saying. But we aren’t those other schools. Our OLine has been an issue going on 6 years now. We are in an emergency mode along the line. Maybe I’m the only one who feels that way or sees it. But our QB (whoever it is now, next year, the year after, etc) will never reach their potential behind our OLine. Our RB’s will continue to be middling and the good ones will portal out behind this line.

All I’m saying is if the garage is on fire then maybe use the hose on the garage before the back porch. I’d offer and sign as many OLine as we can and then pray that if we have 30 that we can find 7 who can play. As you noted we are around 20 right now and we know by game 3 that we’ll all be talking about injuries along the OLine and our QB is having to run for his life, and our WR’s are awesome if only we could get them the ball, etc. This is a record on repeat for GT football. It was an issue at the end of the Johnson era and since Key took over the OLine 4 years ago it’s been the same. All I’m asking for is we address the freaking problem that is in front of us and causes us to loss. Having 5 RB’s instead of 8 doesn’t cause us to lose. Having 12 WR’s instead of 16 doesn’t cause us to lose. 8 TE’s is just ridiculous and horrible roster management. I like this staff but we have a lot of waste within the 85 that don’t lead to wins.

And the same for the defensive line. We have more DB’s than we’ll ever use yet we are always thin at DLine. And now we are thinner due to Miles portaling out. Again, having 10 DB’s instead of 14 doesn’t cause us to lose. But being thin on the DLine absolutely causes us to lose. It’s a math problem that is fixable. Bring in 25, find 8 that can play and show the rest the door to the portal, then rinse and repeat. Unless we are a daycare and just let players sit on the 85 to be towel wavers and strive to win 7 a year.
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You're counting walk-ons.

We have:
-4 scholarship RBs

-13 WRs - 3 are incoming freshmen, 3 injured with one of those out for the season. So we have 7 serviceable WRs at the moment.

-5 TEs - 4 are SRs so we will have 1 left next year.

-16 DBs - 3 are incoming freshmen, and we play a lot of base 5 DB with sometimes 6 on the field. So we have a little over 2 deep reliable DBs. You cant have 10 scholarship DBs like you say because then you will always be relying on true freshmen in the 2 deep.

You say we are thin at DL. We have 15 scholarship DL, 4 are freshmen. We could use another Edge rusher and will likely get one from the portal, but I wouldn't consider us thin at DL with the likes of: Scott, Stone, Biggers, Douse, Reuben, Robinson, Lockett, Harris, Yondjoeun, Kennard, and Collins.
 
Ok. Fine. The roster is fine. Let’s see what we hear first:

1) The RB’s are killing us
2) Wish we had a few more DB’s
3) I can’t believe we are using TE’s at WR because we ran out of them
4) The OLine is having to be shuffled around due to injuries
 
BackstreetBuzz said:
This is true, however you really cannot blame a player if UGA offers. Right now, UGA is the Playboy centerfold asking you to be their boyfriend. Sometimes you later find out you need a girl that can cook and milk a cow.
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The better analogy is they uga is like a meth addiction: it seems fun now but it’s going to ruin the rest of your life. Plus both will put you in jail.
 
00Burdell said:
Buddy of mine in Omaha is going to the Nebraska spring game this afternoon. I requested a detailed report on how Sims looks. Turns out I have the B10 network - didn't even know I had it so I might watch it if nothing else is on.
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I happened to catch a little bit of it. Saw Sims on one drive. Made a pass comletion for 6 yards. Hand off. Hand off. 8 yard QB draw for a TD.
 
LongforDodd said:
I happened to catch a little bit of it. Saw Sims on one drive. Made a pass comletion for 6 yards. Hand off. Hand off. 8 yard QB draw for a TD.
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And, I'm guessing, no one was allowed to touch him. And after the TD, he went to the sidelines where the trainers wrapped him in a blanket of bubble wrap.
 
gtphd said:
The better analogy is they uga is like a meth addiction: it seems fun now but it’s going to ruin the rest of your life. Plus both will put you in jail.
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And you will look awful with bad teeth and the like.
 
ibeeballin said:
It’s a lot wrong with this and explains why we haven’t been competitive in awhile
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there is a lot wrong. The wrong is the coaches givin ships to fcs level players. Been going on for years. For some reason gt still has a bleeding heart in the midst of what is now minor league football. We will always suck with that group hug attitude. And if you like that fine. But you cannot have both. In that business the bad guys win. Period.
 
I think I was pretty clear: I don’t blame Cade for taking the opportunity.

It wasn’t worth commenting on the GT side of that equation.
 
GoGATech said:
You're counting walk-ons.

We have:
-4 scholarship RBs

-13 WRs - 3 are incoming freshmen, 3 injured with one of those out for the season. So we have 7 serviceable WRs at the moment.

-5 TEs - 4 are SRs so we will have 1 left next year.

-16 DBs - 3 are incoming freshmen, and we play a lot of base 5 DB with sometimes 6 on the field. So we have a little over 2 deep reliable DBs. You cant have 10 scholarship DBs like you say because then you will always be relying on true freshmen in the 2 deep.

You say we are thin at DL. We have 15 scholarship DL, 4 are freshmen. We could use another Edge rusher and will likely get one from the portal, but I wouldn't consider us thin at DL with the likes of: Scott, Stone, Biggers, Douse, Reuben, Robinson, Lockett, Harris, Yondjoeun, Kennard, and Collins.
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This we are currently deeper in quality scholarship DL than we have been in quite some time. We are only thin at QB (3) and OL (16) numbers wise. We have a lot of experience and talent across the OL but could use 1 or 2 more for depth.

Edit - Forgot about Fusile who is technically still a walk on starter. I would say we have 17 scholarship OL.
 
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