The ACC Coastal Coach Purge Begins! - Fuentes Out at VT

Wreck07 said:
I also agree with this premise, though I think they may be a more optimal approach. We cannot afford to higher a , Sabanesque, CEO-type of head coach if he is going to be making Power 5 HC salary. So that leaves you with two options.

  1. Hire an emerging OC as HC who will also handle much of the OC duties, like CPJ. This will allow you to spend far less on OC, if you need one at all. I would look at OCs outside P5 who are doing something unique or innovative.
  2. Hire a HC with zero experience (Choice, Key, etc), or from d2 or d3, to be a CEO-type of HC. Would have to pay them far under P5 HC scale. Use $$ to pay for strong, emerging OC and DC talent.
My problem with #2 is that if this works, the OC and DC will be snapped up by another school with more prestige, and we will have to start over.
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Im not sure the best teams are winning because of a few genius OC/DCs, but rather because they have a dozen ex-top-coaches behind the curtain. My OC would not necessarily call the plays. certainly wouldn't scheme the offense by himself. The consultants would do that. So if you lose the OC, the consultants carry on and you promote a position coach.

Again, my opinion is that you have to recruit at a high level and coach at a high level. There is no longer enough time in a coaches' day to do everything required to win. Since only coaches are allowed to recruit, you have to move "coaching" off their plate. Their focus has to be recruiting, and the consultant's job is to coach (or help with all the aspects of coaching).
 
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PM Gold said:
Yeah...we could keep Choice and hire D Moore full time to offset any of our players doing things like, murder, rape and larceny.
It's a huge mountain to overcome, which is a shame because he can coach and build a program.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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And yet Ken Starr came out of all that just fine seemingly
 
theDude47 said:
Bold move: Go get Corey Dennis (Current QB Coach) at The Ohio State for OC

- He’s a Tech man
- He bagged Nicki Meyer
- His FIL is Urban Meyer
- He’s done wonders coaching up CJ Stroud
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Would be a solid pick up for the QB coach.
 
GTCrew said:
I wasn't sure where Godsey was or what his job security is, etc. It was/is a longshot.
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FWIW, he was getting some good air time last Thursday when Miami upset the Ravens at home. He might be seen shortly (if he isn't now) as an up and comer in the NFL. Would love to see him back at the Flats one day.
 
GTCrew said:
Im not sure the best teams are winning because of a few genius OC/DCs, but rather because they have a dozen ex-top-coaches behind the curtain. My OC would not necessarily call the plays. certainly wouldn't scheme the offense by himself. The consultants would do that. So if you lose the OC, the consultants carry

Again, my opinion is that you have to recruit at a high level and coach at a high level. There is no longer enough time in a coaches' day to do everything required to win. Since only coaches are allowed to recruit, you have to move "coaching" off their plate. Their focus has to be recruiting, and the consultant's job is to coach (or help with all the aspects of coaching).
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None of this allowed under current NCAA regulations
 
superjacket21 said:
I think Mullen is a good coach, but UF's expectations are too high compared to their situation. Gonna take a lot of movement for UF to get back to where they were in the late 2000s
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UF is a good hire, with a year in, away from competing with anyone. They just have to make that good hire. I admit I thought Mullen would succeed there.

Says a lot about Collins that some here would rather replace him with a very inexperienced Coach Choice. That would just be another disaster in the making. Not saying Choice can't or won't be a great coach one day. That day is not today though. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just banking on wishful thinking.
 
smokey_wasp said:
I don't get the desire for Tenuta. Hasn't been a DC in a while and Collins is only going to hire someone who runs his type of scheme, anyway (4-2-5 Effort Based). And why would we want someone whose weakness was getting burned on the deep ball, which is what we are already worst at? Look forward, not backwards.

Defensive analyst? Sure.
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I propose we run a x-x-x Results Based defense from now on.
 
Call him up..... See if he is interested in coming on down and replacing this clown show we have going on here at the FLATS!
 
smokey_wasp said:
I don't get the desire for Tenuta. Hasn't been a DC in a while and Collins is only going to hire someone who runs his type of scheme, anyway (4-2-5 Effort Based). And why would we want someone whose weakness was getting burned on the deep ball, which is what we are already worst at? Look forward, not backwards.

Defensive analyst? Sure.
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I think in the future, referring to our defense as anything close to “Effort based” should be a bannable offense
 
PM Gold said:
Yeah...we could keep Choice and hire D Moore full time to offset any of our players doing things like, murder, rape and larceny.
It's a huge mountain to overcome, which is a shame because he can coach and build a program.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Agree with you. While desperate, I'd hire Hugh Freeze tomorrow. He's available and knows how to win.
 
If Mullins can coach defense, hire him for that. If Collins turns it around everyone is happy, Mullins would find a new head coaching spot. If not and he succeeds on defense, move him up to HC in a few years, just like O'Leary.
 
GTCrew said:
Obviously the OC and DC would choose the position coaches. The only one that we can't afford to lose is Choice. We need to find more guys like him.

Brent Key is problematic. We can't pay 600K for that catastrophe on the OL. And at this point he is not recruiting worth a öööö either. He either takes a big pay cut or he fails upward to OC. It is possible he could be a better OC than he is a position coach. I would rather see if Godsey would like a shot.

If I was doing this on the cheap, and we have to start recognizing that we have to do this on the cheap, I would of course not spend $4million on a HC. Frankly, I personally would promise the HC position to Choice at $500K. I would find coordinators at a decent MAC school or DIV2 (or like how mac/Div2 schools do it) and pay them something similar. I would take the $5 million saved and I would hire 30-40 ex-coaches as consultants. The focus on the official position coaches would not be so much coaching as recruiting. I can hire good football minds who know all there is to know about technique and schemes etc but that suck as recruiters to "consult".
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wtf dude.
 
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