THE OFFICIAL Firing, House Cleaning, Night of Long Knives, Celebration, Disappointment Thread.

ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Found the article. Actually, it wasn’t anonymous. Some of the big donors put their necks out there.

www.ajc.com

Prominent Georgia Tech supporters decree ‘it’s time to win’

It is his responsibility no longer, but over the past two years, former Georgia Tech athletic director Homer Rice urged patience to friends with allegiances to the Yellow Jackets. Specifically, he asked them to give coach Geoff Collins two years to get his team together.
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And then we went out and crapped the bed against N. Illinois :facepalm:
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Found the article. Actually, it wasn’t anonymous. Some of the big donors put their necks out there.

www.ajc.com

Prominent Georgia Tech supporters decree ‘it’s time to win’

It is his responsibility no longer, but over the past two years, former Georgia Tech athletic director Homer Rice urged patience to friends with allegiances to the Yellow Jackets. Specifically, he asked them to give coach Geoff Collins two years to get his team together.
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behind pay wall
 
smokey_wasp said:
Quinlan says don't expect Thacker to be DC. Assumption seems to be he will be retained as Linebackers coach only.
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And either way, you keep him through signing day.
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Quinlan put out a tweet regarding his “new role.”

Here it is:


Surely, he’s not taking on more responsibility.
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You offer Thacker the LB job at this time; after signing day and the new DC, then you can re-visit. Also, it allows Thacker to look for a job while he still has one.
 
Walton said:
And either way, you keep him through signing day.


You offer Thacker the LB job at this time; after signing day and the new DC, then you can re-visit. Also, it allows Thacker to look for a job while he still has one.
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Keeping a coach onboard knowing you are going to fire him after signing day is unethical as hell and I hope we never behave that way.
 
savbandjacket said:
I think I know where we are headed with the idea that you would want your oc and dc to pick their own position coaches. We retained position guys on both sides of the ball while getting “rid” of the dc and canning the oc.

That means people already here are moving around. That I think means key as oc and Geoff as dc. We will hire 1 or 2 position guys to take over where Nate and the Bachelor were coaching.
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Unfortunately, our football program, I believe, is headed towards more losing seasons. The key to our demise is the AD, Todd Stansbury. That's why we won't see the CORRECT changes made. He is the one who made the colossal mistake in hiring Geoff Collins as head coach, with a 7 year contract. He knows it has been a disaster and is clinging to false hope that he can still save face and Tech's program by retaining Collins and making these changes. But anyone with any sense knows it doesn't solve the problem.

I had false hope that some wealthy Tech donors (and other people with influence) would demand Stansbury fire Coach Collins or the AD would be fired as well. You would think Tech still had some people, in power, that had some sense. Well, sadly we don't! Instead, we will have the same lousy head coach next year. And the same lousy AD. I work helping people who suffer from substance abuse and mental health disorders. Any addict can tell you the definition of insanity, which is: "Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results." So, Tech retaining Geoff Collins as head football coach (after he has only won 3 games during three straight seasons) is insane!

GO JACKETS!
 
JJacket said:
Keeping a coach onboard knowing you are going to fire him after signing day is unethical as hell and I hope we never behave that way.
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1) I didn’t say that.

2) GT fan base really needs to decide if they want to play big boy football or not. There is nothing unethical keeping your primary D recruiter through signing day (2 weeks) and then making a change if that is required by a new hire.

3) Johnson could not win today like he did 2008-2014. GT doing things the “right” way is Wake/Duke; lot of 3,4 win season, a few .500 and maybe 1 a decade of winning 8+
 
ramblinwise1 said:
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It is his responsibility no longer, but over the past two years, former Georgia Tech athletic director Homer Rice urged patience to friends with allegiances to the Yellow Jackets. Specifically, he asked them to give coach Geoff Collins two years to get his team together.
But, as Tech kicks off the season Saturday night against Northern Illinois at Bobby Dodd Stadium, beginning Collins’ third season, Rice is calling for a breakout season. It is an expectation he has shared with none other than Collins himself.

“And so I said, ‘This is the third year. This is it,’” Rice said. “And he agrees that this is the time to break out and have a winning season.”

Rice, who served Tech with high distinction from 1980-97, saw it on his watch. Bill Curry led the Jackets to a 6-5 record in his third season in 1982 after a total of two wins in his first two years. Bobby Ross was 5-17 in his first two seasons succeeding Curry before the Jackets turned the tide with a 7-4 mark in 1989, setting the stage for the national championship season a year later.

“I think if we win six games, that’ll be a big, huge breakout for them, and go on from there,” Rice said.


Among Tech faithful who have witnessed the Jackets’ struggle in Collins’ first two seasons, with back-to-back three-win seasons following coach Paul Johnson’s successful 11-year run, Rice’s expectations have resonance.

“My view of the world is that we ought to win six or seven,” said Steve Zelnak, a Tech grad and prominent donor to the athletic department and institute. “If things go really well, maybe we win eight. Three or four (wins) doesn’t cut it. Even though we’ve got a tough schedule, it’s time to step up and get it done. I’m pretty optimistic.”

Another major athletics donor, Gregg Garrett, said that he talks to as many as two dozen Tech fans daily as the season approaches.


And to the man or woman, they all say the same things,” he said. “It’s time to win. It’s time to move forward with this program. And this is the year we’ve got to do it. It’s universal. And that’s rare to get a universal opinion about anything.”

Garrett feels an urgency for the Jackets to reach .500 and qualify for a bowl. He praised the work Collins and his staff have done in recruiting and player development, calling it a “miraculous job.” But he called this a “critical season” for Collins and his staff.

“I would put ‘critical’ in capital letters because if we don’t move the program forward this year, then I think that gives a lot of people – whether it’s the fan base, whether it’s recruits, whether it’s opponents – it gives them pause about where we are in this process, and is this process going to work?” Garrett said.

As for recruiting, Tech had 15 prospects committed for the 2022 signing class as of Friday. It could prove to be Collins’ best. With five four-star prospects committed, the class is rated 31st nationally and sixth in the ACC (247Sports Composite). Garrett, who keeps close tabs with Tech staff, believes that a bowl season could ramp it up even further. But not hitting that threshold would make it harder to keep winning high-level recruits.

“I think in Year 3, recruits want to go somewhere where it’s going to be a successful program, and in Year 3, it’s hard to sell, ‘We’re still rebuilding’ if you’re not winning,” Garrett said. “They want to see the proof in the pudding, so to speak.”

David Ewalt, who runs Recruit Georgia, a free recruiting exposure platform for in-state prospects, concurs. In an email, Ewalt called this season “huge” for Tech and Collins from a recruiting perspective. To this point, Ewalt has been impressed by Tech’s recruiting of prominent prospects, networking with high-school coaches and success in using the transfer portal to land in-state talent that initially left the state for college.

“A winning season where they compete in the upper echelon of the ACC would be a huge boost for the program, while another losing season will obviously create some doubt,” Ewalt wrote. “That is sort of the roller-coaster ride in the recruiting world. The honeymoon stage for a new coaching staff can only last so long and eventually, wins trump all.”

Garrett offered the caveat that he can accept a lesser record if the Jackets play well but accumulate tough breaks against them.

“But I think it’s important – really important – that they’re somewhere in that five, six or higher range,” he said. “It’s time to move forward, and I think Geoff would tell you the same thing.”

Garrett called himself “bullish” on Tech’s chances, what with 15 returning starters, a star running back in Jahmyr Gibbs, help from the transfer portal and increased size and experience on both the offensive and defensive lines, among other attributes. While he’s setting the bar at six wins, the team may be capable of much more, he said.

More specifically, Garrett wants to see the Jackets create a pass rush without blitz help and have a run game strong enough to consistently pick up third-and-short plays.

“Because if you can do that, then you can do a lot of things,” he said.

Oh, and one more thing.

Said Garrett, “By all means, please, from the good Lord, let us be able to kick a field goal.”

Zelnak, whose generosity to Tech includes the lead gift for the Tech basketball practice facility, calls the offensive line and quarterback Jeff Sims two keys to the team’s success. He has seen the roster grow deeper and bigger. He professed his support of Collins, saying that he thought he was hitting his stride.

Beyond reaching six or seven wins, Zelnak also wants to see the Jackets acquit themselves better against the tougher sections of the schedule.

“We need to play a lot better against Clemson, (North Carolina) and Georgia,” he said. “And even though those games are games that will be extremely hard to win, we need to show that we’re closing the gap there. We don’t need any more 73-7′s,” referring to the score of Clemson’s rout of Tech last season.

For their part, Collins and his staff are well aware of the external expectations and hold a similar outlook – the slogan for the season is “WIN 21.” That mindset was communicated two weeks ago, when Zelnak and other major supporters to the football team met with Collins (some virtually).

“(Collins) said the word ‘win’ more times than he has since he’s been here,” Zelnak said. “He feels like he’s got a team that can win and has the tools to do it with. He’s in a different place. I can certainly sense it and hear it.”

In his role as an ACC Network analyst, former Tech captain Roddy Jones recognizes it, too. Having seen the team practice in the spring and again in the preseason, he asserted that the Jackets are “an objectively better football team that they have been in the past.”

But whether that can be converted into wins is the question. The challenge of a .500 record becomes clearer with a check of the preseason Top 25, which includes five Tech opponents in the top 14 – No. 3 Clemson, No. 5 Georgia, No. 9 Notre Dame, No. 10 North Carolina and No. 14 Miami. If the Jackets can’t upset one of those five opponents, that means to make a bowl, they need to win six of the other seven games.

“And that is hard to do,” he said.

Jones arrives at his perspective knowing that, just as Tech takes confidence from its large number of experienced returnees, so does much of the rest of the conference.

“Everyone in their silo is like, Man, we’ve got all these returning starters, we get super seniors back,” he said, referring to the seniors playing a fifth season with their extra eligibility granted by the NCAA because of COVID-19. “And when everybody’s like that, what gives? From a fan standpoint, fans that only follow Georgia Tech, that’s what I would kind of caution against – everyone has a bunch of starters, like 16, 17 returning starters coming back on both sides of the ball.”

Jones will accept “visible improvement – how they operate and how consistently they play on a week-in, week-out basis.” He isn’t counting on a bowl season, though he’s hardly ruling it out.

“As a (former) player and fan, I want to be like, Hey, Year 3, let’s make a bowl game,” Jones said. “But I see these teams, and these teams are good. It’s hard.”

Las Vegas bookmakers have set Tech’s over/under win total at five wins. The drama of a pivotal season begins Saturday, unfolding week by week.
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JollyGoodFellow90GT#1 said:
Unfortunately, our football program, I believe, is headed towards more losing seasons. The key to our demise is the AD, Todd Stansbury. That's why we won't see the CORRECT changes made. He is the one who made the colossal mistake in hiring Geoff Collins as head coach, with a 7 year contract. He knows it has been a disaster and is clinging to false hope that he can still save face and Tech's program by retaining Collins and making these changes. But anyone with any sense knows it doesn't solve the problem.

I had false hope that some wealthy Tech donors (and other people with influence) would demand Stansbury fire Coach Collins or the AD would be fired as well. You would think Tech still had some people, in power, that had some sense. Well, sadly we don't! Instead, we will have the same lousy head coach next year. And the same lousy AD. I work helping people who suffer from substance abuse and mental health disorders. Any addict can tell you the definition of insanity, which is: "Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results." So, Tech retaining Geoff Collins as head football coach (after he has only won 3 games during three straight seasons) is insane!

GO JACKETS!
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Not another one of these douche bags.
 
Interesting that players expressing displeasure at Burton firing but not hearing the same about Popovich or Patenaude. Tells me it might have been obvious those two guys were failing. On the other hand, I have reason to think our secondary doesn't have much idea what good coaching looks like.

It sucks that we have to wait almost a year to know whether these changes will make any difference.
 
Walton said:
1) I didn’t say that.

2) GT fan base really needs to decide if they want to play big boy football or not. There is nothing unethical keeping your primary D recruiter through signing day (2 weeks) and then making a change if that is required by a new hire.

3) Johnson could not win today like he did 2008-2014. GT doing things the “right” way is Wake/Duke; lot of 3,4 win season, a few .500 and maybe 1 a decade of winning 8+
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Amen!!

Time to put our Big Boy pants on.
 
So help this OF understand what may transpire with our coaching staff, "if" Geoff Collins becomes the DC as many are posting, what makes anyone think he will be able to hire competent defensive assistant coaches? It was Collins that hired the current staff wasn't it?
 
JollyGoodFellow90GT#1 said:
Unfortunately, our football program, I believe, is headed towards more losing seasons. The key to our demise is the AD, Todd Stansbury. That's why we won't see the CORRECT changes made. He is the one who made the colossal mistake in hiring Geoff Collins as head coach, with a 7 year contract. He knows it has been a disaster and is clinging to false hope that he can still save face and Tech's program by retaining Collins and making these changes. But anyone with any sense knows it doesn't solve the problem.

I had false hope that some wealthy Tech donors (and other people with influence) would demand Stansbury fire Coach Collins or the AD would be fired as well. You would think Tech still had some people, in power, that had some sense. Well, sadly we don't! Instead, we will have the same lousy head coach next year. And the same lousy AD. I work helping people who suffer from substance abuse and mental health disorders. Any addict can tell you the definition of insanity, which is: "Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results." So, Tech retaining Geoff Collins as head football coach (after he has only won 3 games during three straight seasons) is insane!

GO JACKETS!
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Stansbury will go alongside Collins when it happens.
 
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