USC and UCLA to Big Ten

StraightFresh said:
You’re all overly-pessimistic and over-emphasizing recent football incompetence leading you to miss the bigger picture. Your mindset is “well, we’re not as attractive as USC, therefore we have no chance and will be a mid-major in short order”.

No, morons. You have to look at who our competition is for the remaining spots. UVA? UNC? The Big Ten already has Maryland for the DC area and UNC is just a weaker version of what we have to offer. Neither one would move the needle, they’d join the Big Ten and then literally everyone would forget they were there in an hour. You guys talk like UVA and UNC are behemoths of college football because they’ve been better than us for a handful of years, but the reality is that we still have a stronger football brand than they do in the eyes of 99% of the country.

The Big Ten might add 1 or 2 more western teams and then their only other place to look is the south where we are the most needle-moving of their options. Yes, Atlanta matters in this regard. I’m as negative Nancy as they come but you’re all seriously underestimating GT’s chances here. When they were both still small, the Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland and the SEC added Missouri, and you think GT has no shot at getting into either when they’re a full superleague? Grow up, pessimism for the sake of pessimism doesn’t make you smart.
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UVA, sure. But UNC? You're vastly underestimating the lure of UNC basketball. They're one of the few bluebloods that move the needle outside of football.
 
jdubjacket said:
I’m gonna have to agree with the naysayers (big surprise there considering my avatar). GT is not the pull that we think it is. We won’t get an invite into the SEC for one obvious reason that lies an hour east of here and we would be extremely fortunate to get an invite into the B1G. The Atlanta market would obviously attractive to the B1G, as are our academics. But our brand, let’s be honest, is öööö these days. We are a laughingstock on the field, our stadium is probably going to be at 40% capacity this upcoming season, and as someone else said, there are likely more Uga and auburn fans living in ATL than Tech fans/students/alumni. We do have a strong history but that doesn’t really play anymore. So we are basically banking completely on our academics.

Frankly, I think the ACC is going to be in the same position as the PAC next offseason and it’s going to be a game of musical chairs of schools trying to bolt. GT needs to be proactive now, but given our history, I doubt we will be.
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We have to remember that the ACC has always been run from North Carolina. And basketball is what has always mattered most. That was not the case in the Pac-10 and The Big 12. So I don’t think the ACC will disband. I think basketball alone will hold the conference together.

Clemson is really the only member of the ACC anyone would want for football, and I think South Carolina will block their entry into the SEC.

I agree that Georgia Tech is completely undesirable to really anyone right now. If we were gonna make a jump we should’ve done it after we won the Orange Bowl.
 
One way for this to be a positive for GT is if the B1G and SEC get into a pissing contest with each other and the B1G ends up taking the three teams that the SEC doesn't want to approve because it already has schools in those states. I could see a scenario where the B1G could approach GT, Clemson and FSU (and maybe Miami?) in the heart of SEC country and say "come play with us" just to stick it to the SEC and move directly into their territory.

With regards to other teams, I would be tempted to say that either conference would also go after UVA, but VT and UVA have some weird state politics going on and appear to be a package deal. So that's a muddy scenario for whoever pursues them.

The state of North Carolina (less WF) would also likely be a package deal as NCSU, UNC and Duke could potentially try to ally up since they're all a stone's throw away from each other. UNC would likely cling to the ACC because they're basically running the conference and wouldn't want to relinquish that but may end up relenting, and Duke sucks at football so they would want to keep their basketball dominance going, which is a better fit for the B1G. Plus their academics are more appealing to the B1G. But I don't know if anyone outside of UNC really has that much appeal to the B1G or the SEC. I guess NC State would be a decent fit for the SEC culture-wise? Large public, state school with average-ish academics? That just screams SEC. So again, another muddy scenario.

Assuming the ACC does fall apart, which seems more likely after yesterday, I see BC, Louisville, Syracuse and WF probably getting left in the lurch. Possibly Pitt as well, if Penn State blocks their entry into the B1G, assuming they are pursued.

So, here's hoping the B1G wants to get into SEC territory because this could get messy in the next couple of years.
 
RoanokeJacket said:
How many schools are in the Big "10"? I am a fan of the sport and I would have to look it up.
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Gonna be 18 or 20 soon. And 18 or 20 for the SEC, too. And then , , , that's it. Everyone else moves to Division C.

So let's be optimistic and say 20 each. That leaves 8 slots. Tea leaves say to me that Oregon and Washington have just gobbled up two in the Little Sixteen/Eighteen.

So that leaves a total of SIX slots for 100+ teams.

Who is most attractive?

Notre Dame is going SOMEWHERE. Almost certainly UNC and Clemson, too.

After that, Miami has a lot of appeal (although the SEC coaches, fans, and boosters would hate it). Boston College, too - especially if paired with ND. Maybe FSU . . . Florida will be pressured hard politically to make sure they're not left out. Maybe a Virginia school - they fit the mythical Little Sixteen/Eighteen "academic standards," too. Utah, Colorado, and Oklahoma St. I think those are realistically the best options. Eight candidates for the last three slots.

Tech doesn't have a prayer. If for some reason thay went to 24 teams each . . . maybe. And maybe still not.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
We have to remember that the ACC has always been run from North Carolina. And basketball is what has always mattered most. That was not the case in the Pac-10 and The Big 12. So I don’t think the ACC will disband. I think basketball alone will hold the conference together.

Clemson is really the only member of the ACC anyone would want for football, and I think South Carolina will block their entry into the SEC.

I agree that Georgia Tech is completely undesirable to really anyone right now. If we were gonna make a jump we should’ve done it after we won the Orange Bowl.
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Good thoughts but I disagree that basketball will hold the conference together. The Big East had the same mindset and look at it now. The long and the short of it is that money is pushing all of this and football revenue (for most schools) leads the way with that.
 
ricejacket said:
Will the ACC survive?
The only thing currently keeping the ACC together is the league’s grant of rights.

In 2016, the ACC Council of Presidents unanimously agreed upon the current rights, which run through 2035-36 and stipulate that an ACC school’s media rights remain with the conference through that period regardless of membership status. Also in 2015, the ACC struck a deal with ESPN through 2035-36.

One ACC administrator pointed out that the grant of rights hasn’t been challenged in a court of law, but that they seem “pretty airtight.”

“Could that change?” the administrator added. “Maybe.”
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So the only thing keeping us together is this suicide pact. That makes perfect sense.
 
BuzzLaw said:
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StraightFresh said:
You’re all overly-pessimistic and over-emphasizing recent football incompetence leading you to miss the bigger picture. Your mindset is “well, we’re not as attractive as USC, therefore we have no chance and will be a mid-major in short order”.

No, morons. You have to look at who our competition is for the remaining spots. UVA? UNC? The Big Ten already has Maryland for the DC area and UNC is just a weaker version of what we have to offer. Neither one would move the needle, they’d join the Big Ten and then literally everyone would forget they were there in an hour. You guys talk like UVA and UNC are behemoths of college football because they’ve been better than us for a handful of years, but the reality is that we still have a stronger football brand than they do in the eyes of 99% of the country.

The Big Ten might add 1 or 2 more western teams and then their only other place to look is the south where we are the most needle-moving of their options. Yes, Atlanta matters in this regard. I’m as negative Nancy as they come but you’re all seriously underestimating GT’s chances here. When they were both still small, the Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland and the SEC added Missouri, and you think GT has no shot at getting into either when they’re a full superleague? Grow up, pessimism for the sake of pessimism doesn’t make you smart.
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I think every single line of that is wrong, with the possible exception that The Little Sixteen / Eighteen might start looking south for the last couple of slots. And you thinking and actually POSTING that UNC is less appealing than Tech is laughable and embarrassing.
 
GT98 said:
If this is remotely true... :facepalm:

Then again, we know this isn't true since Cabrera isn't aware that GT even has athletics. Throw in TDope and yikes...
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We would literally never, ever get another bowl invite ever again.
 
Why all the UNC ass-kissing in this thread? For basketball? On the whole, they’re only marginally better than Duke.

JRjr
 
midatlantech said:
The answer here, if usc and ucla goes Big Ten, is to leave the ACC and create the third superconfetence:
GT
Clem
FSU
Miami
oregon
Washington
stanford
unc
duke
Uva
Baylor
ok
state
Kansas
Notre dame

I am rooting for the Usfl now.
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Notre Dame won’t join. And I would refuse to join any conference with Duke or UNC.
 
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