Watching GT Football

ThisIsAtlanta said:
Clemson played a well prepared team full of top 20 recruiting classes and didn't look like clowns.

Georgia Tech did the opposite of that.

Stats can mislead you.
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Stats can mislead, but GT is not doing well because of the "D"!
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Yards don't really mean much. Auburn and Washington combined for over 800 yards of offense, yet you won't find anyone calling either of them successful on offense in that game. There's a little bit more to football than that. As for only having 2 drives in the 2nd quarter, we only had 3 in the 3rd quarter and 3 in the fourth, if you want to include the last one that didn't matter, where we gained more than half of those 125 yards. Stats can mislead you.
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I agree that yards are misleading, which is why I started this thread with scoring efficiency. How many teams playing non-patsy opponents do you think scored on at least half of their possessions this week?

UGA scored on 5 of 10 drives (50%) but their offense was considered dominant.
I already mentioned Clemson scored on 31% of their drives and people are happy with the offense.

50% should be enough, especially when 5 of the 6 scores are touchdowns. Period. Obviously there are going to be some bad possessions, but the only reason we're so focused on them this week (and every week) is because our defense is so reliably bad.
 
BigDanT said:
Like what was our offensive average in 2013 and 2012/2011? Wasn’t it less that what taquan has done?
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smokey_wasp said:
I dont think lack of depth/injuries adequately explain our failures on D/ST. These are still mostly 3 star recruits and legit P5 players. I expect a dropoff, even a significant one. I dont expect them to look totally helpless against a G5 team that lost a lot of experience in the offseason.
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I don't really look at the top 4 teams of the AAC as COMMON G5 teams.
 
johncu said:
I'm also a Clemson fan (second to GT, obviously) and I was thinking last night how totally different the experience is watching GT vs. watching Clemson, and I'm not even talking about wins and losses.

Yesterday GT scored on 6 of 12 legit possessions (50%).

Clemson scored on 4 of 13 legit possessions (31%).

Yet today I'm reading all this criticism of Marshall, Searcy, and Johnson's offensive decisions, while people are talking about how Clemson has the 2 best QBs in the ACC and Etienne and Higgins should be All-Americans.

When Clemson's offense is on the field, there's no sense of urgency. Clemson can go 3-and-out twice in a row and it's not really that big of a deal. In direct contrast, if Georgia Tech's offense stalls on consecutive possessions we probably end up in a huge hole.

My point is that it feels like there's enormous pressure for each possession to result in a touchdown, and that's probably pretty destructive to the confidence of some of the offensive players. People are talking like TaQuon Marshall was a failure yesterday, and he probably feels that way as well, but I think that's absurd. He ran the offense pretty well, made some amazing plays keeping the ball himself, and even passed for almost 200 yards. I get that we lost and that's supposed to suck, but damn if it doesn't feel like a losing proposition to play for the GT offense right now.

I think that culture has to change before we get where we want to be as a program, and I hope Nate Woody has what it takes to do it.
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How do you live with yourself and two teams?! There is but one God!!
 
Tshirt Man said:
Going by that post I take it to mean you think our players are much more talented than usf. I would disagree. Without doing the research, I would suspect that they recruit about the same or even better than us. I know Johnson is ultimately responsible for recruiting and I'm not trying to start another debate on why we can't sign 5 stars but I'm betting that we couldn't get most of usf's starters into Tech. Usf is probably more talented and better than half of the p5 schools. Just because they are not p5 doesn't mean they are alcorn stare.
We lost a game we shouldn't have, it's getting old, but it's nothing new regardless of the coach.
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I dont have the recruiting rankings handy, but someone posted them last week and the bottom line is we recruit better than them; not dramatically better, but noticeably better. Either way, my gripe is not that we lost to a G5 team, but its how we did it; by playing fundamentally bad football.
 
coit said:
No I understand that for sure. I just don’t understand what difference it makes. If you were a Clemson fan would you be all mad at how poorly they played or happy that they got a win on the road?

If we had won the game yesterday would you be here complaining about poor technique or simply happy we won and expecting the team to get better next week and onward?
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I should go back and look at some of my posts in the aftermath of Georgia Southern 2014, because I remember sitting in the stands for what I thought would be GSU's game winning drive and thinking to myself "Paul Johnson can not do it here." Going home, I remember being pretty relieved that we didn't exactly lose, but sure the season wasn't going to be good and CPJ was probably gone. Then suddenly the defense started collecting tons of turnovers and Shaq Mason turned into a starting NFL player, and I was drunkenly dancing in the RV lot in early October sure we were going undefeated and it was great.

If this season turns out like 2014, I'll be very happy and I'll learn to just not pay attention to anything on the football field ever again. But yeah, I don't think you could honestly say you think this season is going to turn out like 2014 without doing exactly that.
 
BigDanT said:
Like what was our offensive average in 2013 and 2012/2011? Wasn’t it less that what taquan has done?
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So far this season yeah, 39 ppg vs 34 or so in those years I think. But last two years we were below 30 ppg.
 
OmnipoTech said:
The problem is with CPJ. His offense is good, sure, but its increasingly not enough to overcome the lack of defense or the "flukes" that seems to always accompany it. He's a typical nerd, like a lot of the engineers that I work with. Full of book smarts but no street smarts, no understanding of how the real öööö works. He makes all his calculations based on approximations of what he thinks should happen with no planning for what else could possibly happen. He expects a B quality-team to hold a .0001" tolerance instead of designing the part to work just fine with a .1" tolerance then has no idea why his parts don't fit together.
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What the hell? That’s one of the most idiotic things I’ve read today.
 
Publix has GT labeled peanut cans for 3.99. I was going to buy a can but was reading the fine print. Put it back on the shelf. Apparently once you get through 3/4 of the can, the bottom falls out.

/dadjokes
 
BigDanT said:
How much space is between this team and a great team? Not much in my opinion. Just in a very very weird way
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So I don't think there's much space at all between this offense and a great offense. I posted as much immediately after the Tennessee loss last year. I think the title of the thread was "The Greatest GT Team of All Time" or something like that. I think TQM's running skills are otherworldly, and we get receivers open all the time, and the opportunity is there for us to score on virtually every drive against most teams. Far, far, FAR more often than we capitalize on, in any event. This offense could easily be better than 2014's, if it'd get out of its own head and execute.

If we're going to talk about the whole team though, I think the difference is quite a bit, primarily because of the defense. I'm not even sure what to think about special teams, but I didn't like it.
 
Reviewing the game this afternoon, IMO, wasn't as bad as everyone is painting it. The targeting seemed selective against us and the refs decided to call a critical call on us after a 1st down late. Benson going down hurt. Taquan was maybe 70% late. Oliver looked good as his replacement

We have to fix containment on defense and special teams. Those two things absolutely lost us the game. Containment on special teams, containment of the QB.

I bet there are about 100 teams that wish they had that returner taking kicks.

Offense is good. If you don't think our offense is good, then you are a moron. We need Cooper healthy and Benson 100%.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
If the offense consistently folds under pressure in the fourth quarter with inexplicable playcalling, then maybe CPJ just doesn't have the fortitude to be effective anymore.
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We had a first down and were driving when the refs decided to call a hold. A 1st and 20 is hard to overcome for any offense.

And if you don't think it was selective, we got a face mask call earlier where our defensive player was blatantly held prior to the face mask, IIRC. Probably doesn't make the face mask if he isn't being held onto by his jersey
 
JJacket said:
We had a first down and were driving when the refs decided to call a hold. A 1st and 20 is hard to overcome for any offense.

And if you don't think it was selective, we got a face mask call earlier where our defensive player was blatantly held prior to the face mask, IIRC. Probably doesn't make the face mask if he isn't being held onto by his jersey
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Yeah I was scratching my head at what he meant about inexplicable play calling. Just more sandy front hole whining it seems.
 
Nvm, y'all are right. We have a great team and everything is fine. The fact that 4 of our last 7 losses have come when we blow a double digit lead in the fourth quarter is purely a result of biased referees and bad luck.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
I should go back and look at some of my posts in the aftermath of Georgia Southern 2014, because I remember sitting in the stands for what I thought would be GSU's game winning drive and thinking to myself "Paul Johnson can not do it here." Going home, I remember being pretty relieved that we didn't exactly lose, but sure the season wasn't going to be good and CPJ was probably gone. Then suddenly the defense started collecting tons of turnovers and Shaq Mason turned into a starting NFL player, and I was drunkenly dancing in the RV lot in early October sure we were going undefeated and it was great.

If this season turns out like 2014, I'll be very happy and I'll learn to just not pay attention to anything on the football field ever again. But yeah, I don't think you could honestly say you think this season is going to turn out like 2014 without doing exactly that.
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It just goes to show how absurdly razor thin the margin of error is at GT right now. A slightly better defense could easily take us from a 6 win team to a 10 win team. We just can't seem to figure out how to get there.
 
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johncu said:
It just goes to show how absurdly razor thin the margin of error is at GT right now. A slightly better defense could easily take us from a 6 win team to a 10 win team. We just can't seem to figure out how to get there.
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Oh there is no “seem” anymore. It is without a doubt the triple option has negative impacts on our defenses ability to perform adequately against more conventional offenses. It’s taken until exactly Saturday for me to admit this. I had been in complete denial with the previous 3 DCs blaming them for our defensive deficiencies. But now on the 4th one with the same glaring lack of pass rush, slow LB play and DBs failing to cover TEs that I finally admit what I’ve defnded for so long. This offense is great at the expense of the defense. If you can accept that and roll with it as a potential winning formula then more power to you. I can only be pissed on my head and told it’s raining so many times before I wise up and realize that an awesome offense that does not allow for an adequate defense may not be the best formula for wining if you have to score every single time you get the ball. But that’s just me.
 
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