Which direction is our program going?

Your 1st tendency is

to say stagnant based on a total 6 yr history, counting all Bowl games. What makes it better than stagnant is last season, Gailey's 5th, when GT raced to 9-2. The Yellow Jackets finished 7-1 in the ACC, winning the Coastal Division & playing for the ACC championship in Jacksonville. Rambling Wrecks were ecstatic everywhere. There's 10 other ACC teams that would've loved to be in Tech's position last yr.
Unfortunately, after the 9-2 start, Ball had his 4th consecutive miserable game vs Georgia. Reggie just couldn't play against UGa. Followed that up with maybe the worst conference championship gm by a starting QB in history. It was 3 extremely exciting 3 point loses to end the year.
So, today, we again look stuck in win one, lose one. It's not fair to dismiss or forget last season, tho.
 
Re: Your 1st tendency is

I agree you can't dismiss last season, I just don't think the way it ended helps the argument. Yes we had a great 9-2 start, but we flopped at the end. Like I've said, we're 5-6 since the Duke game. That's stagnant in any sense of the word.
 
1. moving forward. the only problem is that every other team is moving forward too and some faster than us. the athletes these days are getting bigger, faster and stronger across the board.

i think ccg has had us moving in the right direction with increasing depth, a good sales pitch for recruits but has hit some hurdles/excuses that have been out of his control. i can go either way as far as a coaching change but would like to wait at least til the end of the season and then assess. i wouldn't mind seeing one more year of this regime due to the fact that this is bond's first year. but if we go 7-5. i'll be in touch with drad.
 
Totally stagnant. I don't see how you could even argue otherwise. We've lost 5+ games every season for the past 5 years, and are on track to do that again this year. If we win out, then maybe you could argue that we've moved forward a little bit, but when you consider that the ACC is pathetic this year and was last year, and UGA hasn't been good this year or last (they're way overrated right now) I don't know if that would actually even be true.
 
buzztheirazz said:
1. moving forward. the only problem is that every other team is moving forward too and some faster than us. the athletes these days are getting bigger, faster and stronger across the board.

i think ccg has had us moving in the right direction with increasing depth, a good sales pitch for recruits but has hit some hurdles/excuses that have been out of his control. i can go either way as far as a coaching change but would like to wait at least til the end of the season and then assess. i wouldn't mind seeing one more year of this regime due to the fact that this is bond's first year. but if we go 7-5. i'll be in touch with drad.
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I concur. Wait to see how it turns out and then make a decision. The truth of the matter is that we were better than UVA and UMD. They took the lead on emotion and we fought back and should have won both games if not for mistakes by amateur athletes.
 
Before I opened this thread but after reading the title, the first word that came to me was:

Sideways.

I don't think there is ANY question that the "foundation" of our program is as solid as I have ever seen it.

But where are the wins? It seems sometimes to me that we prevent our own success. Its like we just can't get some little detail right and its always a different detail. We seem to do 98% of everything correctly and well but that damn 2% ends up being the difference.

I keep waiting for "it all to come together."

The question that keeps coming up for me is:

"What's it going to be *this* time?"
 
wrek said:
I know it's making excuses too, but what's come up in the last few years that makes you wonder 'What Woulda Coulda Shoulda Been'?
  • Limited scholarships
  • Tony Hollings' Sudden Knee Malfunction
  • Flunkgate
  • The Reuben Houston Distro Corp.
  • C. Johnson Catches Early Departure to Detroit
  • more?
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Don't forget losing Choice, I'm sure that will be a huge excuse if we lose 3 of the next 4.
 
wrek said:
We're slowly getting better. Recruiting is the best sign, no?

Don't ya think CCG has had a lot to overcome? I mean a lot of setbacks. I know that's all part of the game and all, but some of it wasn't his fault. Maybe.

I know it's making excuses too, but what's come up in the last few years that makes you wonder 'What Woulda Coulda Shoulda Been'?
  • Limited scholarships
  • Tony Hollings' Sudden Knee Malfunction
  • Flunkgate
  • The Reuben Houston Distro Corp.
  • C. Johnson Catches Early Departure to Detroit
  • more?
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Can someone please clue me in as to the statute of limitations on this above list? If, sadly, Gailey is still our coach two years from now, will his fans still point to this list as to why he's still 0-fer against UGA and we're not in the top 25?

In all seriousness, when is there going to be a point that people won't make excuses and just say, "you know, the guy just hasn't gotten it done..."?
 
Stuck at 58%!

Seven and Five program. In school 58% would be an F but in the world of collegiate football this would grade out at a C + or a B - depending on who does the grading. A top 40 program but not a top 25 program.

I think that is what you get with Chan Gailey. It's not real good or great but it is not real bad or terrible, it's just good enough to polarize the fanbase.

I think Chan has done all he can. If he stays we will see more of the same. If he leaves we may get better or worse unless we find another Chan type and we stay the same. No need to change for that.

Sometimes, you just need to make a change. Much like the Yankees are doing, you know what you got but you hope that you can do better with a change of leadership. After all, it is just a business and if you want to really compete you have to beat the opponent on a consistent basis.

Go Jackets!
 
Barring one great season at Troy, Chan has been a 58% coach his entire life. Remember, winning 58% of your games in the NFL can get you to the playoffs and even a division championship. Its not so acceptable in college football.

I just want a fresh start...I'm tired of the fighting among the fanbase, I'm tired of crappy offenses, I'm tired of not finishing ranked, losing to UGA and toilet bowls in Antartica.
 
TampaJacket said:
You're right. We're also a fickle group of fans, and I'm not sure anything less would satisfy everyone.

Now that I think about it, I probably should have added "win another MNC" to the list of "ifs".

;)

Have fun...Mike
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Are we fickle? I know quite a few GT sidewalk fans who have been to hundreds of games over the years and I don't think they're fickle as a group. heck if GT went 2-10 or 10-2, the swing in avg attendance might be 10%-15%. At most schools, wild swings in wins would cause a huge difference in fans at games and butts in the seats.

I think GT fans are some of the least fickle fans I've ever seen...Cubs fans are the least fickle. Heck, I'm ticked at Chan (for this year's results) and still would be ok if he stayed the coach for the next five years simply because I'm so dang loyal to GT.
 
heck if GT went 2-10 or 10-2, the swing in avg attendance might be 10%-15%.
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Interestingly enough, Tech underwent that exact swing in record from Ross to Lewis. Anyone got attendance stats for those years? I'd bet the swing was a lot more than 15%, from my memory as a student during the end of the Lewis era.
 
When Chan took over, we were a Top 25-30 team. Now we are a top 40-50 team. Part of the slide has to do with Flunkgate (although I think people heavily overestimate its impact), but alot of it also is because of some poor strategic planning by Gailey. He trashed a recruiting system that was working well when he took over in order to implement his own ill conceived strategy and an offensive system that had been hugely successful in order implement his own system which turned out to be a huge failure.

Our defense has improved under Gailey, but most people do not acknowledge that our defense only allowed 22.07 and 19.00 ppg in '00 and '01 after the defensive debacle that was the '99 season which was Ted Roof's first as DC and what most people remember about our D pre-Gailey.

After 5.5+ seasons, I really do not see any phase of the program that is better any substantial way than when Gailey took over. The trend is certainly up now, but after the initial drop off. My big concern is that same poor decision making that led to the initial drop off will replayed again and again under Gailey every time we lose a significant assistant coach. What happens to the defense if we lose Tenuta? What happens to recruiting if we lose Giff Smith? I don't trust Gailey not to screw up their replacement which will happen eventually and this could lead to a further slide in the program that will be much more difficult for us to dig our way out of.
 
3rdGenJacket said:
Can someone please clue me in as to the statute of limitations on this above list? If, sadly, Gailey is still our coach two years from now, will his fans still point to this list as to why he's still 0-fer against UGA and we're not in the top 25?

In all seriousness, when is there going to be a point that people won't make excuses and just say, "you know, the guy just hasn't gotten it done..."?
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Originally Posted by wrek
We're slowly getting better. Recruiting is the best sign, no?

Don't ya think CCG has had a lot to overcome? I mean a lot of setbacks. I know that's all part of the game and all, but some of it wasn't his fault. Maybe.

I know it's making excuses too, but what's come up in the last few years that makes you wonder 'What Woulda Coulda Shoulda Been'?
  • Limited scholarships
  • Tony Hollings' Sudden Knee Malfunction
  • Flunkgate
  • The Reuben Houston Distro Corp.
  • C. Johnson Catches Early Departure to Detroit
  • more?


Limited Scholarships.... 2011 ( 2007 + 4 seasons)
Tony Hollings............. 2003
Flunkgate.................. 2007 (2003 + 4 seasons)
Reuben Houston......... 2005
C. Johnson................ 2007
 
Go ahead and throw the injury to Choice in there. Basically, you guys have given Gailey a crutch until 2011?

Must be nice to have that kind of job security. Pathetic. Hopefully D-Rad has some sense.
 
Who are we freaking kidding?

We are Georgia Tech. The perennial #26 team in the land.
 
Who are we to demand better than a 58% winning percentage!? Or to finish the season ranked, at least once in 6 years, I mean we play in the ACC...a football powerhouse! There is stiff competition out there...UVA and Marlyand just to name 2. How can we compete!?
 
3rdGenJacket said:
Go ahead and throw the injury to Choice in there. Basically, you guys have given Gailey a crutch until 2011?

Must be nice to have that kind of job security. Pathetic. Hopefully D-Rad has some sense.
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That wasn't the question I answered. You asked about the "statute of limitations" expiration. I answered each point based on what a rational person would expect.

I have a question for you. What do you think is a reasonable time period for each item?
 
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stag·nant
Pronunciation: 'stag-n&nt
Function: adjective
Date: 1666
1 a : not flowing in a current or stream <stagnant water> b : [SIZE=-1]STALE[/SIZE] <long disuse had made the air stagnant and foul -- Bram Stoker>
2 : not advancing or developing <a stagnant economy>
3 : Georgia Tech football <Chan Gailey's stagnant leadership and results>
- stag·nan·cy /-n&n(t)-sE/ noun
- stag·nant·ly adverb
 
3rdGenJacket said:
In all seriousness, when is there going to be a point that people won't make excuses and just say, "you know, the guy just hasn't gotten it done..."?
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at LEAST a couple years after going to a conference championship!! we just went! last year! it's never enough!
it hasn't even been 12 months since we were in the ACCCG. 117 out of 119 woulda, coulda, shoulda but didn't and have lost games this year. we've done it twice this season(UVA & MD). we can still have a successful season.
 
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