Which direction is our program going?

Dem,
Others here are also "actively involved". I think your comments are over the top.

Every single person has strengths and weaknesses. Of course we hope that everyone works on their weaknesses to improve. But to guarantee that the only Tech football needs is that last push over the top from a new coach that can do better with on field results is to forget that Chan is pretty good in all the other things. The preparation, the recruiting, the clean program, etc. ALL COULD GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE.

Grass is not greener on the other side of the hill. Now of course, the bashers call that mediocrity. I call it well thought out analysis, etc and eventual proper decision making.

We may or may not end up in the same place, but to suggest that we need a new guy to improve one particular skill, forgetting that that new guy might be horrible in all the other skills, is bad business.
 
midatlantech said:
Grass is not always greener on the other side of the hill.
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Fixed. I think what a large number of people in this thread in particular are saying is that they are willing to take that risk. They have seen 6 years of Gailey, enough in their minds to form an opinion, and know that they would prefer we go out and see if the grass is greener on the other side.

Personally, I see that our program has improved in many ways, just not quite yet in the record. We can still finish out the season very nicely. Give it until the end of the season before making any rash judgements on whether or not we need to go in another direction.

We could very well win out and then I think it would be very hard to deny that improvements have been made and that the direction of the program looks better...
 
midatlantech said:
Dem,
Others here are also "actively involved". I think your comments are over the top.

Every single person has strengths and weaknesses. Of course we hope that everyone works on their weaknesses to improve. But to guarantee that the only Tech football needs is that last push over the top from a new coach that can do better with on field results is to forget that Chan is pretty good in all the other things. The preparation, the recruiting, the clean program, etc. ALL COULD GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE.

Grass is not greener on the other side of the hill. Now of course, the bashers call that mediocrity. I call it well thought out analysis, etc and eventual proper decision making.

We may or may not end up in the same place, but to suggest that we need a new guy to improve one particular skill, forgetting that that new guy might be horrible in all the other skills, is bad business.
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How am I over the top? What did your first comment actually mean, your actively involved in what?

You go with it could get a whole lot worse but deny that it could get a whole lot better? Dan isnt going to make a move that doesnt make sense, Chan has some great qualities but has some much noted problems as well, every coach has some, has he worked on his weaknesses to improve like you said? With Chan our football will always stay the same, no matter what talent we are bringing in, it will be the same bland type of playing not to lose we have watched every year.

I have always been behind Chan but now its getting to the point where its a good possibility if he doesnt win out he is gone, do I think if that happens and the right move is made can our program improve? Definitely, could it decline? That could happen to, some times you have to take risks. I guess your not a big risk taker and dont like changes much.

I think if we want to stay a steady middle of the road ACC team, we stick with Chan, he will get us some good wins and some terrible losses, we will compete every year but always come up short once we think we have reached that level. If thats what you want we stick with Chan. If you want a chance to reach the next level a change would have to be made or either someone has to change their philosophies.
 
The grass may not be greener...true. But ours is yellow so why not try?

And I agree that Chan is good at many things, but he is here to COACH FOOTBALL. And at this he is not that right man for GT football right now.
 
DemJackets...you are not the blind loyalist I thought you were. Good for you for calling it like you see it.

Chan will never take us to a higher level, period. Last year and this year were "the" years to do it. He admitted himself that this was his most talented (or at least experienced) team and what has it got us? He is a career .500 coach, w/ one exception at Troy.

I just want a fresh start and a breath of fresh air. Even if we have a bad year or two following the coaching change, how much worse would it be...we already lose to the likes of UVA and Maryland, we've lost to Duke once and we are so proud to go to a bowl played on blue turf...I could do w/o for a few years if I had to. But I really don't beleive we would suffer much if at all. What is so great about Gailey really? Besides he is a good christian man, I can't think of anything special he brings to the table in regards to what his job actually entails.
 
Thats my point....people who seem to be pro-chan aren't risk takers and are content with the predictable result of 7-8 wins a year. They are so afraid of disaster, that they can't see the benefits of taking a risk so they don't want to.

they are the conservative mutual fund types, will always get their predicted return but will never hit it big.

That is the trend I see as to why people don't want chan to go. Its always...what if, and it could get worse, this and that...despite the fact for 6 years, this team really hasn't done much. We are at the point of his deepest, most talented, most experienced team he has fielded at tech, in a generally not as strong ACC and we are about to go 7-5. Enough SAID.
 
demjackets said:
How am I over the top? What did your first comment actually mean, your actively involved in what?

You go with it could get a whole lot worse but deny that it could get a whole lot better? Dan isnt going to make a move that doesnt make sense, Chan has some great qualities but has some much noted problems as well, every coach has some, has he worked on his weaknesses to improve like you said? With Chan our football will always stay the same, no matter what talent we are bringing in, it will be the same bland type of playing not to lose we have watched every year.

I have always been behind Chan but now its getting to the point where its a good possibility if he doesnt win out he is gone, do I think if that happens and the right move is made can our program improve? Definitely, could it decline? That could happen to, some times you have to take risks. I guess your not a big risk taker and dont like changes much.

I think if we want to stay a steady middle of the road ACC team, we stick with Chan, he will get us some good wins and some terrible losses, we will compete every year but always come up short once we think we have reached that level. If thats what you want we stick with Chan. If you want a chance to reach the next level a change would have to be made or either someone has to change their philosophies.
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Dem, you've gotten a little more vocal in the past few days about your criticism of CCG. Of course, I'm not saying your personal opinion/attitude toward the situation has changed, but the way you've gone about communicating it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like previously you were more reserved in your comments and had the "wait until the end of the season, but we pretty much have to win out for CCG to stay" mentality. Yesterday and today it's much more like you'd like to see him gone regardless of how we finish the season. Any reason why that's changed?
 
Dem, I just don't see you as a productive Tech fan. As a professed insider, you are tearing the program apart from within with statements like you've made. Win out or not, your statements are BAD for the program. I just don't agree with an insider, who may be a janitor or DRad himself for all I know, trying to effect change in your method. It is just not very teamlike to me.

Regarding risk taker, I guarantee that just about everyone of you are way behind me on risk taking. If all you want is a risk taker...then we will fail miserably just like risk taker ultimately do in the stock market, etc. If you want to throw the dice and risk your life away at 50/50, help yourself. GOOD risk takers actually take out risk or minimize the risk OR maximize the reward first.

Being a head coach is not just making game day decisions any more. It's about working within a budget, it's about "raising kids", it's about recruiting and finding the right kids...Gailey has done a good job on a large portion of his assignment. Considering probation, etc. he still gets a pass on wins/losses. However, I do agree that certain issues and certain games must fall under review later if necessary.

Like I have said before, either you are a Tech fan or not. In midseason, creating controversy for your own good or because you enjoy it, is not being a Tech fan IMO.
 
midatlantech said:
Like I have said before, either you are a Tech fan or not. In midseason, creating controversy for your own good or because you enjoy it, is not being a Tech fan IMO.
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It seems in your eyes, you can't be a Tech fan AND question the direction of the program...but as a TRUE fan of GT, it is our responsibility to voice our cnocerns and opinions about the lack of performance from our Head Coach and to have realistic expectations of where the program should/could be...after 6 years we haven't made much progress, just more of the same. Yeah, Yeah...we went to the ACCCG last year and had nine wins, but we still failed to beat UGA, failed to lose less that 5 games and failed to finish ranked = 0 progress. Wake up and smell the roses.
 
I say let the season pan out, but my gut tells me how this season will turn out. I am optimistic, but there is absolutely NOTHING that tells me that we will win out....much less beat UGA.

The program is more stagnant than the water in an unoccupied rental home toilet.
 
Sideways. We're no worse than we were, but I don't see us getting a lot better either. We still seem to lose some games we should win, but we also win some against good teams.

Last year was a case in point. Beat the fool out of Va Tech in Blacksburg, but end the season looking silly.

Where's the banghead icon?
 
midatlantech said:
Like I have said before, either you are a Tech fan or not. In midseason, creating controversy for your own good or because you enjoy it, is not being a Tech fan IMO.
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Creating this controversy in midseason? At least in my opinion, this controversy was "created" in a driving rain at clemson in 2002 when ccg called a time out just as clemson was lining up for a field goal with no time outs remaining, the play clock almost to zero, and just a few seconds left in the half. As you will recall, clemson used that time out to regroup and went in for the td. I questioned them how a professional, experienced coach could have been so "situationally unaware" as to call that time out. All of the GT and clemson fans siting near me were stunned that anybody would have made that call in that situation. More than 5 years later, he still is making tactical and strategic moves that defy any rational explanation. For example, to stay on point, the time out calls in the recent Miami game.

For others, the controversy might have started after uga 2002, or clemson 2003, or vt 2004 etc, etc, etc. Whenever it started, it was well before this year, and is not the work of a single poster claiming to be an insider. My years of personal and financial support to GT academics and athletics qualify me as a fan of Georgia Tech, and a very good one at that. I will, however, not be a "Stepford Fan" and ignore what I (and a large number of others) believe to be a serious problem at the top of the coaching staff. My hope is that it is now only a matter of games, rather than years, until that problem is resolved, one way or the other.

If I don't fit your definition of a good fan, then on next Thursday night, look over at the upper west, about the south 45 yard line. I will be there. If that bothers you, I suggest that you leave the stadium in protest.

And to answer the op's question, the program is stagnant.
 
haywire83 said:
Dem, you've gotten a little more vocal in the past few days about your criticism of CCG. Of course, I'm not saying your personal opinion/attitude toward the situation has changed, but the way you've gone about communicating it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like previously you were more reserved in your comments and had the "wait until the end of the season, but we pretty much have to win out for CCG to stay" mentality. Yesterday and today it's much more like you'd like to see him gone regardless of how we finish the season. Any reason why that's changed?
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I, like the many others here that work in the AA,because there are more on here usually stay reserved in some views. It's a message board though and its about opinions so I thought I would give my view. I still want to see how the season plays out but that is a tough task to accomplish winning out, they are capable of it but it will be tough. If he doesn't win out more then likely he would be gone. I think we will survive if that does indeed happen.
 
midatlantech said:
Dem, I just don't see you as a productive Tech fan. As a professed insider, you are tearing the program apart from within with statements like you've made. Win out or not, your statements are BAD for the program. I just don't agree with an insider, who may be a janitor or DRad himself for all I know, trying to effect change in your method. It is just not very teamlike to me.

Regarding risk taker, I guarantee that just about everyone of you are way behind me on risk taking. If all you want is a risk taker...then we will fail miserably just like risk taker ultimately do in the stock market, etc. If you want to throw the dice and risk your life away at 50/50, help yourself. GOOD risk takers actually take out risk or minimize the risk OR maximize the reward first.

Being a head coach is not just making game day decisions any more. It's about working within a budget, it's about "raising kids", it's about recruiting and finding the right kids...Gailey has done a good job on a large portion of his assignment. Considering probation, etc. he still gets a pass on wins/losses. However, I do agree that certain issues and certain games must fall under review later if necessary.

Like I have said before, either you are a Tech fan or not. In midseason, creating controversy for your own good or because you enjoy it, is not being a Tech fan IMO.
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Having a bad day or something? Why would you single me out? Think how many people protest their beliefs here and are far worse then mine. I am not a good fan or a Tech fan even now you say:laugher:, how am I creating controversy I just stated where I stand like everyone else in the thread has done. Its a message board!!! I am not starting any kind of controversy, IF I was I would of already heard about it. Someone would of came straight to me to say something about what I posted. Professed insider? What does that mean, I say what info I have, the only time I say anything about knowing stuff is when people like yourself question me. How am I tearing the program apart? I said earlier in the post the program is in great standing. Glad your such a big risk taker, or profess yourself to be.

Guess there's no need for me on Stingtalk anymore, I am neither a Tech fan now or even an insider like you seem to think I am not. Living in Maryland you know everything I am sure:biggthumpup:
 
Regarding risk taker, I guarantee that just about everyone of you are way behind me on risk taking.
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WracerX said:
I dated a girl with purple hair and 4 non-ear related piercings.
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So did you wear a rubber or not? "Dating" isn't the risky part.


Back to the thread, if we have two consecutive seasons of more than 7 wins, after however many consecutive seasons of only having 7 wins, then that's definitive evidence we're trending upwards.

That means going 2-2 over our next 4 = stagnant,
going 3-1 over our next 4 = going up, slowly
going 4-0 over our next 4 = going up, significantly
 
midatlantech said:
Dem, I just don't see you as a productive Tech fan. As a professed insider, you are tearing the program apart from within with statements like you've made. Win out or not, your statements are BAD for the program. I just don't agree with an insider, who may be a janitor or DRad himself for all I know, trying to effect change in your method. It is just not very teamlike to me.

Regarding risk taker, I guarantee that just about everyone of you are way behind me on risk taking. If all you want is a risk taker...then we will fail miserably just like risk taker ultimately do in the stock market, etc. If you want to throw the dice and risk your life away at 50/50, help yourself. GOOD risk takers actually take out risk or minimize the risk OR maximize the reward first.

Being a head coach is not just making game day decisions any more. It's about working within a budget, it's about "raising kids", it's about recruiting and finding the right kids...Gailey has done a good job on a large portion of his assignment. Considering probation, etc. he still gets a pass on wins/losses. However, I do agree that certain issues and certain games must fall under review later if necessary.

Like I have said before, either you are a Tech fan or not. In midseason, creating controversy for your own good or because you enjoy it, is not being a Tech fan IMO.
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Do you honestly think we are going to be a national contender under Chan? I love the man, he is a great person. Going away from my career and turning into a GT fan, I think his ship might have sailed if he doesn't live up to the expectations set forth at the beginning of the season.
 
Going away from my career and turning into a GT fan, I think his ship might have sailed if he doesn't live up to the expectations set forth at the beginning of the season.
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And what were those? All I heard from anyone was we had a small chance of contending for the ACCCG again this year, depending on how the ball bounced. The bar was raised *after* the ND win. Most folks preseason, even buzzoffers, said they'd be happy with 8 wins as long as UGA was one of them, and we're actually on track for that.
 
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