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The guy left and his coaching tree consists of 3 guys. The offense is no longer magical, given the rule changes. I get being unhappy with where we are. I don't get the continued obsession with one offensive system.
One of his disciples coached here with success. Coached at GA southern with success and is having great success at Army. We don’t want to interview him for some reason despite having no risk of him getting poached if he does well with what was working for us. We don’t want anything to do with that style of football for some weird reason. I’m not opposed to slowly working away from it but the demand for immediate and wholesale change was very dumb.
 
And "nearly" 5-6? We won in 2008 with some of the best talent we have ever had at GT. Lost in 2009 with some of the best talent we have ever had at GT. We then went to losing until we luckily had JT5 Grace the team and win two for us. Otherwise, that's it. There is no "almost 5 wins" . By your measure, we should have kept Chan for his almost wins against UGAg
 
Who in our fanbase was laughing at and mocking our team when we won games? You're literally just making öööö up now
We weren’t beating the right teams. We couldn’t beat UGA/Clemson/Miami so we had to change. Oh wow run up the score against FCS and bad teams to look good. These were all very common refrains during his tenure.
 
One of his disciples coached here with success. Coached at GA southern with success and is having great success at Army. We don’t want to interview him for some reason despite having no risk of him getting poached if he does well with what was working for us. We don’t want anything to do with that style of football for some weird reason. I’m not opposed to slowly working away from it but the demand for immediate and wholesale change was very dumb.
Great success at Army isn't winning a national championship, ever.
 
And "nearly" 5-6? We won in 2008 with some of the best talent we have ever had at GT. Lost in 2009 with some of the best talent we have ever had at GT. We then went to losing until we luckily had JT5 Grace the team and win two for us. Otherwise, that's it. There is no "almost 5 wins" . By your measure, we should have kept Chan for his almost wins against UGAg
We lost in double OT in 2013, and Butler missed a 43-yarder. We lost by one possession in 2015 which included a bullshit call.
 
We weren’t beating the right teams. We couldn’t beat UGA/Clemson/Miami so we had to change. Oh wow run up the score against FCS and bad teams to look good. These were all very common refrains during his tenure.
We had won 3IAR against Miami before Chan was canned and 3 of 4 against Clemson when he was canned. I'd like to get back to that.
 
We had won 3IAR against Miami before Chan was canned and 3 of 4 against Clemson when he was canned. I'd like to get back to that.
0-7 against UGA. That’s why he was fired. It happens all over the college football world. You lose 7 IAR against your hated rival you get fired. Or if your Donnan you lose 3 IAR against GT you get fired.
 
One of his disciples coached here with success. Coached at GA southern with success and is having great success at Army. We don’t want to interview him for some reason despite having no risk of him getting poached if he does well with what was working for us. We don’t want anything to do with that style of football for some weird reason. I’m not opposed to slowly working away from it but the demand for immediate and wholesale change was very dumb.

Because it is poison to players and HS coaches in a talent rich state. It's an admission that we can't compete for talented players (which has already been proven false). There are plenty of effective schemes that come without the baggage. Urban's adaptation, Leach offense, Gus offense, the list goes on. Only one guy could scheme an offense at GT?

Monken couldn't lead a gradual transition from it because he is tainted with it. See what current players say anytime his or Ken's name comes up for an opening. He even said he would bring a non option OC to Vandy and still they backed away.
 
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We lost in double OT in 2013, and Butler missed a 43-yarder. We lost by one possession in 2015 which included a bullshit call.
Yea, and the refs assisted a fumble against us for a UGAg TD when Chan was here to help them win, but I don't see you falling all over yourself defending that. We lost by 6, 7, and 3 in 2004, 2005, 2006. 2007 was a wider score, but it was a good battle. We were set up to win 2008 and 2009 with the recruiting classes we had and pro style QB hitting the flats.
 
I wonder what percentage of sack cuppers really believe in the man and what percentage are helplessly trying to convince themselves that this is ‘the guy’ so that we aren’t looking at 2027 or 2028 being the next bowl. GT football currently has full on late era Hewitt-Gregory potential right now, which is kind of shocking considering 6-6, 4-4 was the minimum for two decades.
FSU on head coach number 3 since Jimbo Fisher. Still losing.

Tennessee on head coach number 7 since Fulmer and still losing.

Florida on head coach number 5— finally winning again, but not championship caliber by their standards

Notre Dame went through 3 head coaches to find
Kelly

All those programs have waaayyy more $$$ than GT and are easier to win at than GT.

GT struck silver with Gailey who went to a bowl game every year and struck gold with Paul Johnson who won ACC and beat UGA 3 times.

Better be patient folks.
 
Yea, and the refs assisted a fumble against us for a UGAg TD when Chan was here to help them win, but I don't see you falling all over yourself defending that. We lost by 6, 7, and 3 in 2004, 2005, 2006. 2007 was a wider score, but it was a good battle. We were set up to win 2008 and 2009 with the recruiting classes we had and pro style QB hitting the flats.
Pail Johnson was never going to beat UGA again. Ever.
 
0-7 against UGA. That’s why he was fired. It happens all over the college football world. You lose 7 IAR against your hated rival you get fired. Or if your Donnan you lose 3 IAR against GT you get fired.
You can thank Chan and Richard Samuel for 2008 when you get around to it. Without Chan, Morgan Burnett doesn't pick 6 and Jon Dwyer doesn't score a TD, they are elsewhere, along with Demaryous Thomas.
 
The guy left and his coaching tree consists of 3 guys. The offense is no longer magical, given the rule changes. I get being unhappy with where we are. I don't get the continued obsession with one offensive system.
Agreed. I loved Johnson’s offense. But he never adapted or morphed his offense. If he would have continued to work on the shotgun stuff I think he would have had wild success at GT. His decisions was his downfall. Compare that to Saban who didn’t want to change either but knew he had to so he hired a Kiffen and turned Bama into an incredible offense which attracted the next set of stars. Johnson allowed his offense to slowly wither. It’s a shame. At some in the future a coach will emerge who uses Johnson’s principles but in a more modern set so the recruiting won’t die. And this coach will be highly successful.
 
Pail Johnson was never going to beat UGA again. Ever.
But that 2019 recruiting class he had going was building. Don't know why current our staff ran off that couple of 270 lb OL we had committed
 
He has to win next year. If he is shown the door, he will leave more talent than he inherited. Someone will win with the roster we will have the next few years.
Ok, the argument continues to be made he had to teach lineman to gain weight and not lean forward (like they did in high school when they recruited). Of course, the opposite should have been true when Paul Johnson inherited lineman, so the argument goes, that didn't know how to lean forward and block for the option. Same for the quarterbacks, who for some reason ran the option pretty darn well. Let's hope you are right, that a good coach can make something out of what will be left. I think we will be thankful for improvement if a new hire scrubs the rap music and 404, and for goodness sakes beats The Citadel and Northern Illinois.
 
Pail Johnson was never going to beat UGA again. Ever.
UGAg was separating themselves from us and putting further distance between themselves and us. We were never going to be able to equal them again.

UGAg and Clemson were literally standing waiting for our ball carriers. We were getting brutally manhandled. The dive was getting covered almost as fast as the mesh. DE's we're up field and waiting to hit the QB a second after the snap. We were barely executing plays. Our team was getting manhandled

Anyone watching our 2018 season should have been able to clearly see we were regressing. Anyone saying we were building is a fool
 
Agreed. I loved Johnson’s offense. But he never adapted or morphed his offense. If he would have continued to work on the shotgun stuff I think he would have had wild success at GT. His decisions was his downfall. Compare that to Saban who didn’t want to change either but knew he had to so he hired a Kiffen and turned Bama into an incredible offense which attracted the next set of stars. Johnson allowed his offense to slowly wither. It’s a shame. At some in the future a coach will emerge who uses Johnson’s principles but in a more modern set so the recruiting won’t die. And this coach will be highly successful.
I agree. Had Johnson simply adapted the core of the option to some degree of modernity, he would still be here. We are seeing ways to implement the option Johnson loved but added motion, some multiple sets, etc that at least given us a shot in games we fell behind in. On one of the other posts some guy said we will tear Ole Miss up next year. We should freeze and archive that post. Kiffen would easily lay 60-65 on a Collins/Thacker defense. He took what he inherited at Ole Miss and put 50 plus on national champion Alabama. I doubt seriously he would be defeated by Georgia Tech's staff
 
Ok, the argument continues to be made he had to teach lineman to gain weight and not lean forward (like they did in high school when they recruited). Of course, the opposite should have been true when Paul Johnson inherited lineman, so the argument goes, that didn't know how to lean forward and block for the option. Same for the quarterbacks, who for some reason ran the option pretty darn well. Let's hope you are right, that a good coach can make something out of what will be left. I think we will be thankful for improvement if a new hire scrubs the rap music and 404, and for goodness sakes beats The Citadel and Northern Illinois.
Big difference in trying to get an undersized OL to block.
 
UGAg was separating themselves from us and putting further distance between themselves and us. We were never going to be able to equal them again.

UGAg and Clemson were literally standing waiting for our ball carriers. We were getting brutally manhandled. The dive was getting covered almost as fast as the mesh. DE's we're up field and waiting to hit the QB a second after the snap. We were barely executing plays. Our team was getting manhandled

Anyone watching our 2018 season should have been able to clearly see we were regressing. Anyone saying we were building is a fool
Yeah but our offense rocked in the bowl game against Minnesota.
 
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