GT to Big 12 or BiG?

[ncjacket]

I expect the new playoff to pay each Div 1 conference equally and then pay 5-10 times that amount to the conferences that placed teams in the playoff (among top 4 ranked.)

I don't see how senate or lawsuit can argue with that. It's equal access. Place teams in top 4, get paid.

If all D1 schools end up with an equal piece of the pie before the final 4 you're right unless the difference is seen as too great, which your example is. The Senate is not going to sit by and watch the money become more concentrated than it is today.

 

[H-town]

The ACC has been irrelevant in football for a while. IF the Big 12 were to survive in a 4 conference scenario, find one that gives the PAC 10, Big 12, SEC, and Big 10 sixteen major teams apiece without GT finding a spot? I think that's more unlikely than the ACC finding a place at the table.

I for one hope that it's not the B10. Road games to Ann Arbor in November will suck. I'd much rather go to Austin.

 

[GT1992]

I for one hope that it's not the B10. Road games to Ann Arbor in November will suck. I'd much rather go to Austin.

They're worse here in Minnesota. Minor sports really do play a part in the equation as the FSU president said. There is a natural geographic sense to it.

 

[GT1992]

If all D1 schools end up with an equal piece of the pie before the final 4 you're right unless the difference is seen as too great, which your example is. The Senate is not going to sit by and watch the money become more concentrated than it is today.

As Orrin Hatch has shown in attacking the BCS. If we want to discuss this, it needs to be in the dungeon forums.

 

[cyptomcat]

If all D1 schools end up with an equal piece of the pie before the final 4 you're right unless the difference is seen as too great, which your example is. The Senate is not going to sit by and watch the money become more concentrated than it is today.

What I described is pretty much same as the BCS model we have used for what, 10 years?

All [Div-1] conferences get money from the BCS, but the Big 6 get 5 or so times more. By rule and by placing more teams.

Now it's going to be Big 4 get more because they place more teams in there.

 

[GT1992]

What I described is pretty much same as the BCS model we have used for what, 10 years?

All [Div-1] conferences get money from the BCS, but the Big 6 get 5 or so times more. By rule and by placing more teams.

Now it's going to be Big 4 get more because they place more teams in there.

Get them to 61 votes and your position has merit. That's not the reality now.

 

[augustabuzz]

Lose? Kids in NC don't want to play in the sec and stay close to home? I wonder what was said that usc would lose in 1990 when they left the ACC? South Carolina lost nothing and gained everything. The same would be true for State. They would be the envy of tobacco road. Don't forget that the power in these decisions is not in the individual schools; it lies in the marketability and money of the conference who extends the invitation. The sec wants two new markets, and NC and DC are the two best options for their current footprint. In today's climate, money talks, and tradition walks.

1) South Carolina left the ACC in 1971.

2) My understanding is that UNC and NCSU are required to be together.

 

[GT flunkout]

1) South Carolina left the ACC in 1971.

2) My understanding is that UNC and NCSU are required to be together.

He's on a roll, like most of the handwaving freakoutery contestants in this thread, just go with it man... :biggthumpup:

 

[thwg]

I prefer big bills

You really need to quit wagering. It will limit how many tickets you can buy.

I've got you down for $100.

MtownJacket - $20

and the world's stupidest man 05corndog - $20,000.01

If Htown agrees, I'll give $2012 to the GTAA as a gift once y'all pay up. If not, Htown can agree what charity he chooses.

He's on a roll, like most of the handwaving freakoutery contestants in this thread, just go with it man... :biggthumpup:

 

[thwg]

surely you have something?

Bet it all, man. Bet it all. But bet quickly before the FSU AA does the math and bolts.

FSU ain't going anywhere, at least not until the BCS dust settles. There's still a decent chance that Notre Dame will be forced to join a conference, and the ACC is reported to be the leader in those sweepstakes. Adding Notre Dame +1 would result in a huge new contract that would probably rival all except the SEC.

I'm a broke student, so I don't have a lot of money, but I'd bet everything I have that Florida State will remain in the ACC until the new BCS deal is signed. Beyond that, who knows, but I'd still be very surprised if they go anywhere.

 

[05GTCorndog]

In today's climate, money talks, and tradition walks.

I'm gonna toss the bullshit flag on this one. Money will drive things, but it isn't just athletic money.

Of the BCS conference moves since 2000, how many schools left a conference for a conference with lesser academics?

Syracuse? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
Pitt? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
Mizzou? Nope. This is a wash.
TAMU? Nope. This is a wash.
Nebraska? Nope. Big12 to B1G is a huge step up.
Colorado? Nope. Big12 to Pac 12 is a huge step up.
Utah? Nope. Big12 to Pac 12 is a huge step up.
Louisville? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
Cincy? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
USF? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
Miami? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
VPISU? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
BC? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.

I might be missing one or two teams but these are the moves that come to mind. Sure athletic money is big, but athletic budgets are peanuts compared to research dollars and overall university spending. The internet wackos are focused on one thing, but that is not the only factor that is in play. I think recent history backs this up.

 

[thwg]

Absolutely the ACC will get paid

just like CUSA, Big East, Mtn West, etc. Every conference will get a small share if they don't have a team in the playoff.

What you're missing is you think there are still 6 Big Boy conferences. There are now four. And those four will make at least 80% of the money.

In any format, the ACC would not (will not) place many teams. Like now.

This tangent started with thwg and seemingly you disagreeing with me that the ACC will still get paid under the playoff system. We will. Just like we get paid for sucking in the current BCS system.

 

[05GTCorndog]

Re: I prefer big bills

You really need to quit wagering. It will limit how many tickets you can buy.

I've got you down for $100.

MtownJacket - $20

and the world's stupidest man 05corndog - $20,000.01

If Htown agrees, I'll give $2012 to the GTAA as a gift once y'all pay up. If not, Htown can agree what charity he chooses.

Cool story bro.

:BFD:

 

[thwg]

Texas A/M and missouri for sure

Both AAU schools and aligned with many more AAU schools. So, until 2011/2012, you're point is valid but it all changed last year...about the same time the money started to get much larger.

I'm gonna toss the bullshit flag on this one. Money will drive things, but it isn't just athletic money.

Of the BCS conference moves since 2000, how many schools left a conference for a conference with lesser academics?

Syracuse? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
Pitt? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
Mizzou? Nope. This is a wash.
TAMU? Nope. This is a wash.
Nebraska? Nope. Big12 to B1G is a huge step up.
Colorado? Nope. Big12 to Pac 12 is a huge step up.
Utah? Nope. Big12 to Pac 12 is a huge step up.
Louisville? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
Cincy? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
USF? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
Miami? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
VPISU? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
BC? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.

I might be missing one or two teams but these are the moves that come to mind. Sure athletic money is big, but athletic budgets are peanuts compared to research dollars and overall university spending. The internet wackos are focused on one thing, but that is not the only factor that is in play. I think recent history backs this up.

 

[thwg]

the cool story will be when you man up and pay

will you, puss?

Cool story bro.

:BFD:

 

[cyptomcat]

I'm gonna toss the bullshit flag on this one. Money will drive things, but it isn't just athletic money.

Of the BCS conference moves since 2000, how many schools left a conference for a conference with lesser academics?

Syracuse? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
Pitt? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
Mizzou? Nope. This is a wash.
TAMU? Nope. This is a wash.
Nebraska? Nope. Big12 to B1G is a huge step up.
Colorado? Nope. Big12 to Pac 12 is a huge step up.
Utah? Nope. Big12 to Pac 12 is a huge step up.
Louisville? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
Cincy? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
USF? Nope. CUSA to Big East is a step up.
Miami? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
VPISU? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.
BC? Nope. Big East to ACC is a step up.

I might be missing one or two teams but these are the moves that come to mind. Sure athletic money is big, but athletic budgets are peanuts compared to research dollars and overall university spending. The internet wackos are focused on one thing, but that is not the only factor that is in play. I think recent history backs this up.

correlation is not the same as causation

 

[05GTCorndog]

Re: the cool story will be when you man up and pay

will you, puss?

You didn't agree to my terms of the bet. You keep coming up $0.99 short. If this is the sort of integrity you display on this side of the bet, you clearly should not be trusted to pay. Bet is off the table son. :wink:

 

[05GTCorndog]

correlation is not the same as causation

Not saying it is, but that is a pretty healthy sample size. Of course there are other factors in play, such as all moving to more prestigious football conferences. I recognize that. However, I think the absence of any schools switching to öööötier academic conferences has to account for something. Could be a fluke, but again, don't fall into the trap of thinking that the academic side of things accounts for nothing.

How much more do you think it would take to get GT to agree to move to the Big12 vs the B1G? And why?

 

[JacketFan77]

Re: the cool story will be when you man up and pay

You didn't agree to my terms of the bet. You keep coming up $0.99 short. If this is the sort of integrity you display on this side of the bet, you clearly should not be trusted to pay. Bet is off the table son. :wink:

I say the two of you arm wrestle for the $20k at the first ST tailgate :biggthumpup:

 

[cyptomcat]

Not saying it is, but that is a pretty healthy sample size. Of course there are other factors in play, such as all moving to more prestigious football conferences. I recognize that. However, I think the absence of any schools switching to öööötier academic conferences has to account for something. Could be a fluke, but again, don't fall into the trap of thinking that the academic side of things accounts for nothing.

How much more do you think it would take to get GT to agree to move to the Big12 vs the B1G? And why?

Even with a larger sample size, a correlation is still a correlation.

GT is different academically from FSU and pretty much every other school you listed.

Personally, academics was not even among the top 3 things I consdered when I considered Big 10 vs. Big 12. 1. Money 2. Stability 3. GT's competitiveness

I don't even really get the academic angle. Our academic ranking does not depend on what universities we play athletic games with. Our research dollars don't have anything to do with UNC's research dollars.

If we never competed with uga, other off-conference schools and post-season, academic angle would make more sense. If we were in our isolated world of ACC. Even in that case, FSU and Clemson are not an academic fit to us.