What are folks thinking about Paul Johnson these days?

The M-Train said:
Number of times in the past 4 years we have won more than 7 games: 3.

Number of times in Gailey's last 4 years we lost won more than 7 games: 1.

Retart. Save for one season where we had some of the best talent this school has ever (or probably will ever) see, we won 7 games a year. CPJ is a huge improvement over CCG.
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Not positive, but I believe we were playing a harder schedule back then as well. I remember Auburn, Notre Dame, BC before ACC, etc.


Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2002–2007)
2002 Georgia Tech 7–6 4–4 T–5th L Silicon Valley
2003 Georgia Tech 7–6 4–4 T–4th W Humanitarian
2004 Georgia Tech 7–5 4–4 T–6th W Champs Sports
2005 Georgia Tech 7–5 5–3 3rd (Coastal) L Emerald
2006 Georgia Tech 9–5 7–1 1st (Coastal) L Gator
2007 Georgia Tech 7–6 4–4 3rd (Coastal) L Humanitarian
 
theShaft said:
Not positive, but I believe we were playing a harder schedule back then as well. I remember Auburn, Notre Dame, BC before ACC, etc.


Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2002–2007)
2002 Georgia Tech 7–6 4–4 T–5th L Silicon Valley
2003 Georgia Tech 7–6 4–4 T–4th W Humanitarian
2004 Georgia Tech 7–5 4–4 T–6th W Champs Sports
2005 Georgia Tech 7–5 5–3 3rd (Coastal) L Emerald
2006 Georgia Tech 9–5 7–1 1st (Coastal) L Gator
2007 Georgia Tech 7–6 4–4 3rd (Coastal) L Humanitarian
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We won more than 7 games ONCE in 6 years. We've won more than 7 games for 3 out of the 4 years CPJ has been here and you say you'd rather have Gailey? How dumb can you be?

Posting our terrible records from those years only undermines your point.

Also, Sagarin end-of-season SoS average is 48.75 for CPJ and was 41.75 for CCG over his final 4 years. I hardly think being 7 places higher in terms of SoS equates to that many wins/losses in the long run. Maybe 1 extra win every third year. No matter which way you slice it, Chan was mediocre.
 
If I'm reading Sagarin right, our strength of schedule was 69 in 2010 and 76 last season. There's not much redeeming in those seasons.

However, in 2009 our schedule rank was 10th and we finished 12th in the final rankings. You can yell Dwyer and Thomas until you're blue in the face, but we far surpassed anything under Chan in that season. By comparison, our 2006 ranking was 32 with strength of schedule of 56.

The real issue was not losing Dwyer and Thomas, but the OL losses and the lack of depth backing them up. If we finish outside of the top 40 in Sagarin the next two seasons, then I will be all for a coaching change. I doubt that we'll even finish outside of the top 25 the next two seasons though.
 
The M-Train said:
We won more than 7 games ONCE in 6 years. We've won more than 7 games for 3 out of the 4 years CPJ has been here and you say you'd rather have Gailey? How dumb can you be?

Posting our terrible records from those years only undermines your point.

Also, Sagarin end-of-season SoS average is 48.75 for CPJ and was 41.75 for CCG over his final 4 years. I hardly think being 7 places higher in terms of SoS equates to that many wins/losses in the long run. Maybe 1 extra win every third year. No matter which way you slice it, Chan was mediocre.
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TheShaft is in another world than I'm in. I wouldn't even waist your time with him (No offense to him personally) but his argument is just way out there.

CPJ has won more games in his first 4 years at GT than any other head football coach in their first 4 years and under hard climate. Harder than Gailey's. If he doesn't understand that then he doesn't really know what's going on. The playing deck is not the same!
 
The M-Train said:
We won more than 7 games ONCE in 6 years. We've won more than 7 games for 3 out of the 4 years CPJ has been here and you say you'd rather have Gailey? How dumb can you be?

Posting our terrible records from those years only undermines your point.

Also, Sagarin end-of-season SoS average is 48.75 for CPJ and was 41.75 for CCG over his final 4 years. I hardly think being 7 places higher in terms of SoS equates to that many wins/losses in the long run. Maybe 1 extra win every third year. No matter which way you slice it, Chan was mediocre.
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Take my comment out about rather having O'Leary/Gailey back. I still think he's gone when his contract is up and it's b/c of the backlash Braine got when he said.....

“Georgia Tech can win nine or 10 games. They will never do that consistently. That's my feeling ... because of the type of program this is."

2008 Georgia Tech 9-4 .692 Chick-fil-A Bowl
2009 Georgia Tech *10-3 .786 ACC Championship Game/FedEx Orange Bowl
2010 Georgia Tech 6-7 .461 Advocare Independence Bowl
2011 Georgia Tech 8-5 .615 Hyundai Sun Bowl
 
theShaft said:
Again, not trying to stir up the nest, but what's different in your statement than the last two years, 1 win!??

My point is, things don't seem much different now than the Gailey years. That's why I think he'll be gone whenever his contract is up, which I thought was 2013 but I guess from reading it's 2014 as he got some extension along the way.
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:rolleyes: knee jerk much? Things are WAY BETTER than they were under Gailey and its really not even close.
 
It's not like I'm rooting for us to lose. I just don't see us being better than a 8 win team the next 2 years. That's all I'm saying. I'd be happy for P.J. to prove me wrong. I am a season ticket holder and have only missed 2 (edit: missed first FSU home game) home game in 14 years.

The backlash with Braine with Gailey/Hewitt contracts/comments only tells me that changes will happen more frequently and swiftly in the future.
 
BarrelORum said:
:rolleyes: knee jerk much? Things are WAY BETTER than they were under Gailey and its really not even close.
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When Gailey was HC, I really never had any type of expectations that we could break through to the next level except for 2006 due to the amount of talent (and man were those dashed).

With CPJ I feel like every year could be the year that we break out, and I see reasons to think that even if it doesn't happen this year it might happen next year or the year after that.
 
theShaft said:
Take my comment out about rather having O'Leary/Gailey back. I still think he's gone when his contract is up and it's b/c of the backlash Braine got when he said.....

“Georgia Tech can win nine or 10 games. They will never do that consistently. That's my feeling ... because of the type of program this is."

2008 Georgia Tech 9-4 .692 Chick-fil-A Bowl
2009 Georgia Tech *10-3 .786 ACC Championship Game/FedEx Orange Bowl
2010 Georgia Tech 6-7 .461 Advocare Independence Bowl
2011 Georgia Tech 8-5 .615 Hyundai Sun Bowl
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We won 11 games in 2009.
 
BarrelORum said:
:rolleyes: knee jerk much? Things are WAY BETTER than they were under Gailey and its really not even close.
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Statistically, maybe so, but I just remember bigger wins under previous coaches. Don't get me wrong, the ACC championship and the FSU win are way up there.
 
theShaft said:
why?
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What is your point? You start off a statement saying he can't beat UGA, when he has. You want O'leary and Gailey when they're not here and not going to be here. You're just trying to stir stuff up. You're thinking is total nonsense IMO, but I don't know if you really mean what your saying. You're so far off the wall. I can't stand this type of stuff. Wish I had never responded. Don't like you as a poster and will probably never like you as a poster. That is what it is.
 
andrew said:
When Gailey was HC, I really never had any type of expectations that we could break through to the next level except for 2006 due to the amount of talent (and man were those dashed).

With CPJ I feel like every year could be the year that we break out, and I see reasons to think that even if it doesn't happen this year it might happen next year or the year after that.
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Good post. I share the sentiment. CPJ is obviously building something at Tech, and although he may be "behind schedule" or may have suffered a few set backs, the forward progression is obvious.
 
The M-Train said:
Number of times in the past 4 years we have won more than 7 games: 3.

Number of times in Gailey's entire tenure we won more than 7 games: 1.

Retart. Save for one season where we had some of the best talent this school has ever (or probably will ever) see, we won 7 games a year. CPJ is a huge improvement over CCG. Also, we lost to ----ing Duke.
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You do realize that we play 1 more cream puff per year don't you?

If you want to cherry pick some stats, how about this one.

Number of losing seasons under Gailey = 0
Number of losing seasons under Johnson = 1

He needs results the next couple of years to conclude that he really is an upgrade.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Chan was only $1 million per and I wasn't figuring him into the numbers.

Source on the 'deal with Hewitt?' Last I heard it was $1.3 mil per year for 4 or 5 more years

Do you think we have the budget to pay $2.5 million to a coach not to coach us? Heck, that alone is about 5% of the athletic budget. Who are you going to hire at that point worth a lick? It is certainly not a moot point.
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http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/georgia-tech-notes-2013-1462929.html

Someone stepped up to cover the Hewitt buyout. Either way, Johnson's contract is only through 2014. Your point is moot and neither you nor I know who will be available in 2014. For all I know Urban Meyers might decide he wants to coach his daughter's alma mater.
 
TechPreacher said:
Good post. I share the sentiment. CPJ is obviously building something at Tech, and although he may be "behind schedule" or may have suffered a few set backs, the forward progression is obvious.
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What progression? So far he peaked in 2009. Do you really think the last two years represent a progression?
 
GT1992 said:
What progression? So far he peaked in 2009. Do you really think the last two years represent a progression?
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They are absolutely a progression in terms of the shape of the team. While it hasn't translated immediately into wins on the field, it really can't. The maturing of guys and the stockpiling of depth takes time, not to mention balancing the OL numbers again. 2009 was a preview of opportunity where we saw what the offense can do with some playmakers at the helm, the last two seasons we were recruiting and working the rest of the team into shape so that the next time we have playmakers at the helm we can do things like not have to out-shoot Vanderbilt.

Nesbitt & Dwyer & Thomas & Roddy behind an experienced and deep OL would have looked like 1975 Nebraska. It might take a while to come across playmakers like that all at the same time again, but now that the rest of the team around them will be a strength for 12-14 games, good God when we do...

That, IMO, is a progression.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
They are absolutely a progression in terms of the shape of the team. While it hasn't translated immediately into wins on the field, it really can't. The maturing of guys and the stockpiling of depth takes time, not to mention balancing the OL numbers again. 2009 was a preview of opportunity where we saw what the offense can do with some playmakers at the helm, the last two seasons we were recruiting and working the rest of the team into shape so that the next time we have playmakers at the helm we can do things like not have to out-shoot Vanderbilt.

Nesbitt & Dwyer & Thomas & Roddy behind an experienced and deep OL would have looked like 1975 Nebraska. It might take a while to come across playmakers like that all at the same time again, but now that the rest of the team around them will be a strength for 12-14 games, good God when we do...

That, IMO, is a progression.
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Last year, I saw an offensive line that was killed by bigger, stronger defensive lines. I saw some improvement in defense, but the offense was certainly not as good as 2009. So far, I haven't seen those playmakers that Johnson recruited on the field which should be cause for concern. He may have them and we just haven't seen them yet, but so far, he hasn't improved us much using his guys.
 
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