Confirmed: ND to make a deal with ACC. 5 FB games/year, full member in others

GTWannaBee said:
I wouldn't say have blind faith, but Swofford has at least shown good initiative with these additions. I have to think that there will be a time in the future that ND does actually join as a full football member. When that happens, I believe Swofford will already have another school lined up to join.
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IF Notre Dame ever joins in football, it will be a no brainer to pick up a 16th. I just believe that will happen about 3 days after hell freezes over.
 
I'll restate one of my previous thoughts on the future of the ACC:

A 20 team ACC, with 4 divisions of 5 teams each, with a 4-2-1 conference schedule
would still leave ND (and every ACC team) with 5 OOC games each year.

Of those 5, ND would likely keep USCw, Stanford, and Navy every year, and could still keep 2 of these 3 (Purdue, Michigan and MichState) every year, or keep all 3 on a rotation basis.

Long term, something like this would bring ND into the ACC for football,
while also giving ND 5 OOC games with lots of scheduling flexibility.

A 20 team conference might also lead to "division" playoffs.
Maybe division playoffs at a home team stadium, with the ACC-CG to follow the next weekend. That might lead to a 13th game that might have big influence in a future BCS playoff scheme. Perhaps a 12-1 ACC team might get a better BCS "knod" than a
11-1 SEC team due to having one more game on the schedule.

IMHO, a 20 team ACC would likely command more money than other conferences.

Plus, if all this becomes an opportunity for NBC to have an affiliation with a college conference, would NBC prefer to offer the inventory of a 15 team conference,
or a 20 team conference?

I just believe adding ND opens the real possibility of the ACC going to 20 teams.
 
daBuzz said:
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-s...dame-joins/?cxntfid=blogs_georgia_tech_sports

According to this article, none of what you proposed above is going to happen. From Swofford's own mouth, we are no longer pursuing another school for the ACC AND he knows that Notre Dame will not be joining in football at any point.

A year after expanding to 14 with Pittsburgh and Syracuse, the league may have completed its realignment maneuvers by adding Notre Dame as its 15th member. At a news conference in Chapel Hill, N.C., commissioner John Swofford called the addition of a 16th school “illogical,” as it would unbalance the league’s two football divisions with 15 teams.

As far as TV contracts go, Notre Dame's NBC contract gets to broadcast the home games vs the ACC and ESPN gets the other games. One year, ND gets 3 home and 2 roads and then it flips the next. The ACC is already going back to ESPN to up the TV contract money because of the additional 2 or 3 games, depending on the year, with Notre Dame.
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Shall I pull up the quotes about "We're done at 14. The ACC isn't looking to expand any more"?
 
daBuzz said:
IF Notre Dame ever joins in football, it will be a no brainer to pick up a 16th. I just believe that will happen about 3 days after hell freezes over.
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I understand that POV, and I know you know what you're talking about when it comes to GT. But respectfully disagree. Whether it happens in 2015 or 2020, ND will be a full member of the ACC, including football.

I happen to think it will coincide with their NBC contract renewal. You think NBC doesn't want CFB inventory for NBC Sports? Don't forget the other stations NBC Universal owns.

Easiest and most lucrative way for this to happen? Pac-12 scheduling partnership. They just called one off with the B1G. Pac-12 scheduling partnership secures big non-conference games for all major coastal markets. It allows Notre Dame to continue playing USC and Stanford, which is clearly a higher priority than the Purdues of the world. Then throw in Navy, and they're set.

A 16-team ACC conference, split north and south, with 7 games in division and 1 rotating across division (no permanent rival), 4 out of conference games (incl. 1 with Pac 12 each year).
 
THWUGA said:
I understand that POV, and I know you know what you're talking about when it comes to GT. But respectfully disagree. Whether it happens in 2015 or 2020, ND will be a full member of the ACC, including football.

I happen to think it will coincide with their NBC contract renewal. You think NBC doesn't want CFB inventory for NBC Sports? Don't forget the other stations NBC Universal owns.

Easiest and most lucrative way for this to happen? Pac-12 scheduling partnership. They just called one off with the B1G. Pac-12 scheduling partnership secures big non-conference games for all major coastal markets. It allows Notre Dame to continue playing USC and Stanford, which is clearly a higher priority than the Purdues of the world. Then throw in Navy, and they're set.

A 16-team ACC conference, split north and south, with 7 games in division and 1 rotating across division (no permanent rival), 4 out of conference games (incl. 1 with Pac 12 each year).
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It bears repeating, the ACC will NEVER EVER split North/South regardless of how many teams they have because EVERYBODY wants to play in Florida due to the recruiting you can do there.
 
mmbt0ne said:
Shall I pull up the quotes about "We're done at 14. The ACC isn't looking to expand any more"?
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Exactly. At first, we were comfortable at 12 teams.

Then Pitt and 'Cuse join the conference.

Then we're comfortable at 14 teams.

Then ND joins (sort of).

I would bet that something is in the works to get a 16th member such as PSU. I don't particularly like Swofford but he keeps surprising with regard to expansion.
 
etc79 said:
Yes the ACC does....but I don't think that really means much...and $50MM I am guessing is chump change to the Vatican....
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This is the dumbest argument I've seen. The current NBC deal is something like $15 - 20 M / year. Notre Dame would need to give up three years of their main source of revenue in order to go somewhere else.
 
3GT said:
I'll restate one of my previous thoughts on the future of the ACC:

. . . stupidity . . .

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I just believe adding ND opens the real possibility of the ACC going to 20 teams.
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You also claimed we were going to the Big 12. You were part of the internet mind fart that wanted to FSU and Clemson to go the Big 12. Which simply proves the power of stupidity on the internet.

You have no credibility on conference expansion.

Your 20-team conference idea may surpass the stupidity of your GT to the Big 12 idea.

Although your thoughts are not as stupid as the people who keep repeating North/South split with Miami in the "South."
 
THWUGA said:
A 16-team ACC conference, split north and south, with 7 games in division and 1 rotating across division (no permanent rival), 4 out of conference games (incl. 1 with Pac 12 each year).
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The 16 team schedule with 7 division games and only 1 cross division game would suck. That means you play the same team from the other side once every 8 years. The best way to take care of this is smaller divisions and more rotating schedules. Otherwise, assuming there's not a complete overhaul of divisional alignment, we'd play clemson or fsu once every 8 years...
 
ND will only join the ACC as a full football member if their national rivals stop scheduling them. Even if NBC puts the axe to their TV dollars, they'll just throw their TV rights in with the ACC deal and bump the dollar signs up again, but that doesn't mean they'll be a full member. As long as they can schedule their myriad rivals, they will, and until their schedule becomes mega-depleted, they'll remain 'independent'. This won't happen unless we get another round of rapid fire expansion like '92 predicts and the Big 12 is eaten by a CFB zombie horde, because that transition might make all the other conferences big enough that ND gets squeezed out of OOC games. Barring that, ND will never ever have trouble filling its schedule unless it implodes horribly in some unforseeable way. Good team, bad team, unimportant, the logo alone will sell those games.
 
As long as we're all getting cray cray about realignment for no reason - really the best thing for the conferences would be to devour the Big Texas and fill up on teams. That way we wouldn't need any OOC except for a rivalry game perhaps and then you'd have yourself 11 conference games to play with, which makes the cross divisional setup much more palatable. Since the Big Texas doesn't exist, your 4 conference champions just seed into the playoff and blammo, CFB is fixed.
 
Allen Koholic said:
This is the dumbest argument I've seen. The current NBC deal is something like $15 - 20 M / year. Notre Dame would need to give up three years of their main source of revenue in order to go somewhere else.
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The exit fee is actually set at 3 times the league distribution money, so it's about 50 now, it will be about 60 by the time ND joins, and continue getting higher.

Considering the league payout (tv, bcs, bowl money) is the fastest rising component of the athletic budgets, the exit fee will be even bigger relatively to the average athletic budget in the future. Just wait till the playoff money distribution is agreed to by the conferences, it's going to be good money.
 
GTJason said:
The 16 team schedule with 7 division games and only 1 cross division game would suck.
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You can deal with this using 4 pods.

Under the pod plan, you can't go more than 2 years between games with any other ACC team. The downside to this is that if Miami is in Pod 1, FSU is in Pod 2, and you're in Pod 3, there would be a 2 year gap where you have no games in Florida unless you can get one of those teams as a rivalry.
 
All Swofford has said to this point is that he won't add a single team in football to get to an unbalanced 15 members.

That's it.

He's not saying the conference won't expand to 16.

This isn't difficult to understand, people.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
This won't happen unless we get another round of rapid fire expansion like '92 predicts and the Big 12 is eaten by a CFB zombie horde,
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Big 12 is not going anywhere, their current contract secures it. All schools gave their rights to the Big 12 for the full length of the contract.
 
grantfield82 said:
Can someone please give a valid reason they'll ever join?
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Four possibilities for the future that would be the catalysts for ND joining the ACC:

1) NBC does not have a major conference football schedule, and it decides to strike a deal with the ACC similar to CBS's deal with the sec, instead of renewing ND's contract.

2) The BCS requires teams to be conference members to compete in playoffs.

3) Traditional rivalries mean a lot to ND, so the ACC lands the potential 16th member that ND wants to join with. I wouldn't prefer this addition, but ND is adamant about playing Navy every year, and they are in the ACC footprint, in addition to having a history with other ACC schools.

4) Never underestimate the unforeseeable. In making our predictions, we base them on certain foundational assumptions. In this quickly changing football landscape, one of those assumptions can be altered, thus opening the possibility for the unthinkable to happen. Go back in time and tell a 1950's-era Tech fan that, in the next decade, Tech will no longer be in the sec, and that 50 years later, Tech will be dominated in the ugag series. Their answer? Impossible.
 
No way in hell the ACC doesn't add Notre Dame and another team within the next five years. If the ACC is still 14 teams and one hanger on by 2017, I'll drink a cup of Jacket's piss.
 
Within 10 years, the 4 team "playoff" will be expanded to 8 teams with an automatic bid for the 4 or 5 conference champs and 3 or 4 at large teams. At-large teams must be in the top 8 or so in the polls for consideration.

Full membership will give UND a much easier path to the playoff, since they could have 2 losses and still make it in. As an independent, there is no way to get in w/ 2 losses, as they won't be near the top 8. If the ACC goes to 8 conf. games, UND can still schedule four OOC games w/ USC, Navy, Mich/MSU/Purdue/Stanford, etc.
 
TenaciousBuzz said:
Within 10 years, the 4 team "playoff" will be expanded to 8 teams with an automatic bid for the 4 or 5 conference champs and 3 or 4 at large teams. At-large teams must be in the top 8 or so in the polls for consideration.

Full membership will give UND a much easier path to the playoff, since they could have 2 losses and still make it in. As an independent, there is no way to get in w/ 2 losses, as they won't be near the top 8. If the ACC goes to 8 conf. games, UND can still schedule four OOC games w/ USC, Navy, Mich/MSU/Purdue/Stanford, etc.
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