"51-7".....part 2...we quit on the field

33jacket said:
If you had a clue I would care but I don't. The president increased admission standards for football players in 2003. It needs to go back to what it was under homer rice. Again what would you know you we're like ten back then
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Why does it need to do that? The school is as healthy as it has ever been academically, if not the best it's ever been.

Losing to middle Tennessee state isn't a signal that we should put in a new, dumbed down major so that we can do better in football. Those types of academic changes don't happen in isolation.

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andrew said:
Why does it need to do that? The school is as healthy as it has ever been academically, if not the best it's ever been.

Losing to middle Tennessee state isn't a signal that we should put in a new, dumbed down major so that we can do better in football. Those types of academic changes don't happen in isolation.

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You still don't get it. The players we admitted in the year 2000 some we could not even offer a scholarship to today. I am not sure if you are drunk or I am not clear. Admit the players we admitted in 2000 today. Go back to those admission standards. This has nothing to do with majors.

Since you mentioned it though
FYI we added dumb down majors like stac in the 90s. And our degrees got better. A diverse offering of majors has nothing to do with degree quality. But that isn't my point anyway.
 
56Jacket said:
sorry i disappointed you...only go by what im told from people I KNOW THAT KNOW HIM, do you know him
but i edited the post because youre right i dont know him personally...

btw, ive actually become a lot more than whatever the hell i post on stingtalk but if thats how you judge people then i cant help it...

btw, i wont ever meet him, want to know why....he doesnt give a rats ass about alumni
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Your last statement is disappointing to hear, Nate. I really wish all of coaches respected our allumni and tradition in a way that our football alums could appreciate. I know Brian Gregory's trying to do that more in basketball.

Still, you really do come off like an ass with your whiny posts after a disappointing loss. I have to say that I had the same impression as Bham that you are a sad representative of GT and our team.

You might want to check out John Davis's posting history. He's not one of CPJ's biggest fans either but he contributes to discussion in a much more constructive way.
 
AE 87 said:
Your last statement is disappointing to hear, Nate. I really wish all of coaches respected our allumni and tradition in a way that our football alums could appreciate. I know Brian Gregory's trying to do that more in basketball.

Still, you really do come off like an ass with your whiny posts after a disappointing loss. I have to say that I had the same impression as Bham that you are a sad representative of GT and our team.

You might want to check out John Davis's posting history. He's not one of CPJ's biggest fans either but he contributes to discussion in a much more constructive way.
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sorry to hear... i was emotional player and it sucks wathching crap like that on the field...combined with an apathetic fanbase....

and yes i know JD persoanlly and weve discussed this boards and the people here so i get it...

so long
 
33jacket said:
You still don't get it. The players we admitted in the year 2000 some we could not even offer a scholarship to today. I am not sure if you are drunk or I am not clear. Admit the players we admitted in 2000 today. Go back to those admission standards. This has nothing to do with majors.

Since you mentioned it though
FYI we added dumb down majors like stac in the 90s. And our degrees got better. A diverse offering of majors has nothing to do with degree quality. But that isn't my point anyway.
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Sorry, i thought you said we needed to add a new major that didn't require calculus. That must have been someone else.

I would honestly be more open to changing the football exceptions as long as it didn't mean a higher rate of failing out. Do you think that with lower admissions standards we would still be able to keep players eligible? I thought we changed the admissions standards because a lot of players failed.

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andrew said:
Sorry, i thought you said we needed to add a new major that didn't require calculus. That must have been someone else.

I would honestly be more open to changing the football exceptions as long as it didn't mean a higher rate of failing out. Do you think that with lower admissions standards we would still be able to keep players eligible? I thought we changed the admissions standards because a lot of players failed.

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As the one poster on this board (that I know of) who's actually taught GT student-athletes, I know that lowering admissions standards will not help things for the reason you indicate. They have to remain eligible. Furthermore, they have to make progress toward their degree under the NCAA APR rules, so you can't just bring them in and bounce them around in the handful of classes they are qualified for academically until they exhaust their athletic eligibility. Tech gets very excited about how each class of new freshmen is the best ever in terms of SAT scores and GPAs. That raises the bar in the classroom and so your student-athletes have to do better as students than the ones 20 years before did.

I'll also take a moment to address the new major not requiring calculus idea that some have floated around here. Will. Not. Happen. New degree programs must originate at the school/college level. No school or college wants to be the home to a new major created as a place for athletes to remain eligible. The administration can't force a new degree program on the academic units, and the faculty by and large don't care about athletics. The day that an administrator tries to create an academic program to benefit the GTAA is the day that a large number of faculty begin actively looking for new jobs, and don't kid yourself into thinking that there aren't plenty of institutions that would want to snap up GT faculty. The departure of high-quality faculty will hurt GT far more than middling performance on the football field does. Oh, and let's throw in the fact that new degree programs require Board of Regents approval. They'll block it for two reasons: money and U[sic]GA.
 
ND,

I thought we actually do have a degree program now that doesn't require calculus.
 
I left the game last week pissed. I left this week embarrassed. I agree that most of the guys quit, but I do have to defend a couple of guys. Jay Finch was puking his guts out on the sideline and continued to play his ass off. He wasn't super effective, but he was out there despite filling up a trash can with puke. Got to give him some credit. Also I thought Izaan cross played with some heart out there today. This whole season he has played multiple positions and played a ton of snaps for a 300 pounder. I'm fed up with this coaching staff, don't get me wrong, but lets not piss on all of the student athletes out there.
 
Before anyone says to add easy majors just to keep athletes eligible, please take a look at UNC.
 
sutt0n said:
I left the game last week pissed. I left this week embarrassed. I agree that most of the guys quit, but I do have to defend a couple of guys. Jay Finch was puking his guts out on the sideline and continued to play his ass off. He wasn't super effective, but he was out there despite filling up a trash can with puke. Got to give him some credit. Also I thought Izaan cross played with some heart out there today. This whole season he has played multiple positions and played a ton of snaps for a 300 pounder. I'm fed up with this coaching staff, don't get me wrong, but lets not piss on all of the student athletes out there.
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I'm with you. Just because it looks like our guys quit out there doesn't mean they quit. They were just getting beat. Tevin didn't give up for sure--remember that flying leap for a first down.
 
gtzulu said:
I'm with you. Just because it looks like our guys quit out there doesn't mean they quit. They were just getting beat. Tevin didn't give up for sure--remember that flying leap for a first down.
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Either our guys quit or in year 5 our talent is putrid. Or both. Which one you taking?
 
33jacket said:
What makes it worse is this is year 5. 51-7 was olearys players in chans first or second year. Even chans teams didn't give up in year 4 and 5 etc.

Paul is a joke. His philosophy to recruiting and walkons has crippled this program.
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When the GTAA hires a coach with no experience coaching at this level, and especially no experience recruiting at this level, why would anyone expect a different outcome?

Gailey failed largely because he had no experience coaching at this level, and he was stubborn.

What does the GTAA do? Hire another coach with no experience at the BCS level and who is stubborn. Then, they give him a contract that makes Hewitt's look like pocket change-- a contract they can't get out of.

This day has been coming since December 2007. But don't blame Johnson--blame the powers that run the GTAA.
 
GT1992 said:
ND,

I thought we actually do have a degree program now that doesn't require calculus.
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Not to the best of my knowledge. You can choose the MATH 1501-1502 sequence (engineering calculus) or the MATH 1711-1712 sequence (finite math and business calculus), depending on your major. The business calc (officially "Survey of Calculus") class is significantly watered down compared to engineering calculus, but it is still calculus and way more math than UNL students in majors equivalent to what the Ivan Allen College offers would be required to take.
 
jacketup said:
When the GTAA hires a coach with no experience coaching at this level, and especially no experience recruiting at this level, why would anyone expect a different outcome?

Gailey failed largely because he had no experience coaching at this level, and he was stubborn.

What does the GTAA do? Hire another coach with no experience at the BCS level and who is stubborn. Then, they give him a contract that makes Hewitt's look like pocket change-- a contract they can't get out of.

This day has been coming since December 2007. But don't blame Johnson--blame the powers that run the GTAA.
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Which BCS coaches would want to leave their BCS school to coach here?
 
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