We're not going to have a passing game this year

GTMensLax&SoccerD1Soon! said:
Yeah I have. I have been to at least one preseason scrimmage for every year we have had PJ. And this scrimmage was completely different. I dont know if PJ was passing more to service the Defense or if he really intends to pass more, but there were considerably more passing plays in this scrimmage than any I have ever been to.
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Possibly some of it is to give the defense some work, but also most of the players have been around the OBS now for multiple years--enough so that CPJ feels more time can be given to practicing the passing game. And CPJ is not a box of rocks. Without a Nesbitt, Allen or Dwyer this year, something is going to have to replace some of the loss in offensive punch. If we can get to where we have even a small threat thru the air, everything else benefits.
 
alpha said:
Don't need deadly accurate passers to have a passing game.

We do need receivers that can catch the football though.

Scrimmage Saturday was simply to get more practice in with the passing game. Anyone that thinks we're going to pass even 50% of the time just because of what they saw during the scrimmage is too gullible.
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Until I see otherwise, I'm going to assume this offense will never produce an OL that can pass block worth a damn. Therefore, you'd better have an accurate QB and/or one that is excellent throwing on the run. The latter is very hard to find, hence, I think you need a deadly accurate QB. Hell, I'll go one further and say that he needs to complete his first two reads and get rid of it within two seconds of completing his drop.
 
wombat said:
Until I see otherwise, I'm going to assume this offense will never produce an OL that can pass block worth a damn.
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To be fair, it becomes more difficult to pass block effectively when you don't have any TEs. You end up with DE mismatches against undersized A-backs, or the DE is closer to the QB due to lining up off of the Tackle instead of the TE on both sides of the ball.
 
coit said:
To be fair, it becomes more difficult to pass block effectively when you don't have any TEs. You end up with DE mismatches against undersized A-backs, or the DE is closer to the QB due to lining up off of the Tackle instead of the TE on both sides of the ball.
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True. My statement is less a comment on the quality of our linemen and more on the limitations produced by the system.
 
Despite the fact that Kyle is an obvious troll (I thought he died or something) I will respond to this crap.

I think we will be about 75-25 as usual which is fine if we make plays on the 25. Whether or not they can catch or throw the ball has less to do with PJ's play calling than his overall recruiting and his, Bohannon, and Preston's coaching.
 
I think most everyone here is correct. Yes, we should pass a greater percentage... 75/25 would be great. Yes, we need to complete more passes... 55% minimum. In order to recruit kids with gifted arms, IMO, we should commit to passing more. Our O-line pass blocking has been sub-standard though. Depth, injuries, etc.
 
coit said:
To be fair, it becomes more difficult to pass block effectively when you don't have any TEs. You end up with DE mismatches against undersized A-backs, or the DE is closer to the QB due to lining up off of the Tackle instead of the TE on both sides of the ball.
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Very good point, coit. That has never come to my attention, but I'm sure it is extremely valid. To give a good example of this, you may have noticed in the Falcon's game last week when 'Quiz tried to block a fast charging DE. The DE swatted Rogers aside like he was a flea. I guess the best way around that is to be sure to run a good play action option to freeze the DE?
 
GTwilly said:
I guess the best way around that is to be sure to run a good play action option to freeze the DE?
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I am not 100% sure, but I think with the way teams are defending the 3O these days, you can freeze one DE by flaring the A back in motion behind the QB, then out into the flats, either faking the pitch, or just leaving him out there. The WR would pull the CB downfield, and the other A Back would block the OLB on that side.

This would require the QB to roll to that side, and still have to get rid of the ball quickly to avoid being blindsided by the other DE.

So, my conclusion is that it will be very difficult to implement a true passing game out of the 3O alignment. Another thing I forgot to mention is that in our lineup, the lineman splits are not as wide as in a passing formation, I don't believe. I haven't been able to locate any pics to verify if this is true, but if anyone has some, please link.
 
coit said:
I am not 100% sure, but I think with the way teams are defending the 3O these days, you can freeze one DE by flaring the A back in motion behind the QB, then out into the flats, either faking the pitch, or just leaving him out there. The WR would pull the CB downfield, and the other A Back would block the OLB on that side.

This would require the QB to roll to that side, and still have to get rid of the ball quickly to avoid being blindsided by the other DE.

So, my conclusion is that it will be very difficult to implement a true passing game out of the 3O alignment. Another thing I forgot to mention is that in our lineup, the lineman splits are not as wide as in a passing formation, I don't believe. I haven't been able to locate any pics to verify if this is true, but if anyone has some, please link.
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Srsly?

We line up in the SPREAD formation. We intentionally line up with big gaps to spread out the defense (and leave one of those gaps wide open for the defender that is the dive option key).

Pro style offenses line up much tighter than we do (if that is what you consider a "passing offense").
 
We're going to have a great season passing this year. We set it up last year with our A-Backs missing so many blocks. This year they'll do it on purpose and be open for a nice 15 yard pass & catch.
 
MtownJacket said:
Srsly?

We line up in the SPREAD formation. We intentionally line up with big gaps to spread out the defense (and leave one of those gaps wide open for the defender that is the dive option key).

Pro style offenses line up much tighter than we do (if that is what you consider a "passing offense").
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Right on our splits (not on Dive key which is usually DE). In fact, it seems to me that one of the big differences between GT and Navy (or between GT 1 and GT 2 in the Spring game) was the size of the splits, and Navy Splits are still pretty decent size. GT's base spread has huge splits.
 
MtownJacket said:
Srsly?

We line up in the SPREAD formation. We intentionally line up with big gaps to spread out the defense (and leave one of those gaps wide open for the defender that is the dive option key).
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Yeah, brain fart there on my part. I was thinking of the Single Wing offense that my son's youth team was running a few years ago, which basically has very tight splits, some run it with feet touching.

That's what I get for posting off the cuff at work!
 
AE 87 said:
Right on our splits (not on Dive key which is usually DE). In fact, it seems to me that one of the big differences between GT and Navy (or between GT 1 and GT 2 in the Spring game) was the size of the splits, and Navy Splits are still pretty decent size. GT's base spread has huge splits.
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Is the DE not a defender or does the DE come from the edge and not through a gap?

The DE sometimes does either, and the Midline key is almost always through a gap.
 
MtownJacket said:
Is the DE not a defender or does the DE come from the edge and not through a gap?

The DE sometimes does either, and the Midline key is almost always through a gap.
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Right, but I think that's beside the point with respect to the size of our splits.
 
AE 87 said:
We're going to have a great season passing this year. We set it up last year with our A-Backs missing so many blocks. This year they'll do it on purpose and be open for a nice 15 yard pass & catch.
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This. All part of the long-term plan.
 
Just thought I throw this one back at GTKyle. I know it may be a little early, but I sure would not want to miss a chance to show him how wrong he is...
 
Based on one game against a HS opponent?
 
Yeah Kyle may still be right. Let's bump this at the end of the year after we have won some real games.
 
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