You're not kidding! For the one Frank Beamer or Bobby Bowden cited, you can name probably 10 times as many that didn't make the turnaround. Collins is certainly in the latter group. His forte coming in was supposedly recruiting yet that has been mediocre at best and his talent evaluation skills, as proven by portal acquisitions, isn't something on which one could make a defense of keeping him. Ready to get this year over and move on from this nightmare.
You have completely missed the point, unsurprisingly. I don't give two craps if they were more competitive. Coming off a season like 2014 then winning only 3 games the next year was a massive failure.
Massive failure? See losses to The Citadel and Northern Illinois....that is a MASSIVE FAILURE!
Did we fire the OC that came from there to Join Collins' staff. For some reason I thought Pap was from there...or however you spell his nameSince Geoff Collins has shown no ability to coach a team up and recruiting is about the same today as the CPJ era especially with Gibbs heading to Bama. I have decided to highlight potential Head Coaching replacements through out the year.
First up: Jamey Chadwell! Chadwell’s offense is a spread-option that presents challenges for the opposition. He implemented the spread-option offense in 2009 during his first season as head coach at Division II North Greenville. Chadwell’s offense centers around the backfield with a variety of different looks that has evolved from 20 to 21-personnel.
“The reason why we like to run the offense that we do, you don’t have to have the best linemen in the country to win games,” Chadwell said. “You don’t have to have the best receivers in the country to win games. Every job that I have had has been a rebuild. We’ve had to develop and recruit talent that fits your system.
“Part of the reason that we like to do the offense, is it gives you a chance to win games. We were probably the eighth most talented team out of ten in our league — and won the league this year. Part of that is because you get kids to buy into your scheme and your system, and they fit that. We can do a variety of different things. Recruiting is not hard for it, you just have to find the right guys that want to fit into what you do.”
The Chadwell File:
Age: 44
Salary: 850K
Head coaching record: 90–54
Bowls: 2–1
Tournaments
2–1 (NCAA D-II playoffs)
1–2 (NCAA D-I playoffs; 2015 playoff win against The Citadel vacated by the NCAA)
Accomplishments and Championships
1 Sun Belt (2020)
2 Big South (2015 (vacated by NCAA),
Awards
AP College Football Coach of the Year (2020)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award (2020)
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2020)
Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year (2020)
George Munger Award (2020)
Sun Belt Coach of the Year (2020)
A great article about the 21 personnel (two running backs, one tight end, two receivers), spread-option offense can be found at:
How Coastal Carolina took college football by storm: Analyzing the Chanticleers offense
Coastal Carolina went undefeated in the regular season and averaged 37.2 points by running a lot of formations, motions and shifts.theathletic.com
The point is what good is it for you to do this now?? Plenty of people were doing this at the end of last season. There are many people unhappy with how the coaching is going, me included, and many wanted to see a change already but some were willing to at least give it one more to get past the large buyout part of CGC's contract before making a change. Everybody was pretty vocal about it at the end of last season and up until it was decided that he would still be here but that other changes would be made. Some were still pretty vocal for a while but the fact is new hires have been made and this is where we are for this season. Complaining now and speculating on "who will be the next coach" etc. does absolutely no good because that is not showing any support for the current team. It would be in your and every other GT fan's best interest for this staff to find success with the new hires because if we have to clean house and start over again after this season, we will be set back again. Nobody in here is defending Collins. We are GT supporters and hope he succeeds. If this year is another bad one, guess what? We are all on board with letting him go. I'm getting to the point where I want him to succeed not only because I want GT to succeed but just to shut know-it-all's like you up. Some of you want to play the "I told you so" game so badly you would rather us have another terrible season just so you could. You act like we picked up a turd off the street and are trying to make it into a gold brick. The man has coached before and has had success in the past. Maybe he isn't cut out to be a head coach, but the point is right now he is ours. He has made changes to his staff, to his coaching style, and to how he handles his day to day. Let's see if it works. If we still look like crap this season, that's when to have discussions on where to go next.
Missing the point also.. I'm not saying CGC hasn't been one so far... I even said in the original post that maybe 3 wins is his ceiling who knows. The point is the OP referenced CPJ's "7 win seasons" as not being enough. Well no 7 win seasons aren't enough, but the fact is he wasn't even doing that. You shouldn't follow up an 11 win season with a 3 win season when you have the same coach, playing the same league, with mostly the same players.
This is just flat out wrong. His recruiting is much better, but you have to have a good product on the field to close on your top targets and we haven't been able to put that part together. His first full recruiting class here was top 25 and we haven't seen that in years. It would be going up if we can get the wins to go along with it. You can even look at the team talent composite from 247 and that has grown since he has been here.
I guess then, you set the bar very low and follow a 3 win season with a 3 win season with a 3 win season so nobody will notice a drop from an outstanding year. Distorted in my view but to each his own. Selah!
We just disagree. Yes he had one good year recruiting followed by mediocrity. Recruiting is fine but if you can not coach them to wins, as you have asserted, then recruiting will suffer. Simply put, he is a bad football coach. Nothing he has done proves otherwise.
You are using final recruiting rankings to define your "mediocrity." We haven't been able to take full high school recruiting classes since the 2020 recruiting class due to using the transfer portal to fill holes. If those classes were filled to 20+ with high school recruits, our rank would be much higher each year. If you don't understand that then you must not understand how recruiting rankings work.
However it is clear that the 2015 team would wax the 2021 team, and the funny thing is that the 2021 team had the best player in GIBBS. I guess one could conclude after the Geoff Collins experiment that "Coaching trumps Recruiting" here on the Fats!
Again you are presenting a hypothetical as fact and saying that it is "clear" that team would beat 2021 GT. Not so sure about that one either. You think 2015 GT would beat the 2021 GT team that showed up in the Benz and beat UNC?
No injury in 2015 was more detrimental than losing Sims for half the year. It’s the reason why we only had three wins. Clemson should’ve been our signature win that Yates pissed away and he would’ve done the same vs UNC had he not been yanked. Thank TStan for honoring the existing 2019 commits.
No, that time was last December. No one told anyone to STFU when his return was at least theoretically up in the air. But he is here for 2022, and it's now time to rally around what we have and support them in 2022. The good news about you STFU now about replacing Collins, is that if we have a great season, by STFU now you will appear less the fool . . . and if we have a disappointing campaign you can post all the coach-replacement threads you want here this December and no one will tell you to STFU. So, STFU for now.
Again, the time for that chant was last December. Get behind this team now, or get your ass to Athens.
Maybe not but I do understand that he has been very unsuccessful "filling holes" as you say, from the portal. Doesn't matter where he gets his players. Three wins is three wins. If he chooses the portal route over HS recruits, that's on him. Either way, to date he has been unsuccessful at best, a bust at worst.
No argument here that he has been unsuccessful at best so far. He also isn't always "choosing" the portal route over HS recruits. When you need someone that can play now, typically a HS recruit isn't going to be that guy, and especially along both OL and DL. I wouldn't say he has been unsuccessful at filling those holes. Have the players been all-ACC caliber? No but many have been starters where we otherwise would have had to rely on walk-ons or freshmen. Most of the rest were younger guys for depth behind our starters and now will likely be playing much more.
Your statement is true for the 2021 class only. In late 2021 247 started an overall ranking that includes transfers and avoids the 20+ issue.
Ezzard, Clayton and the kid from Old Dominion (can't remember the name) came in with lots of fanfare and bravado and made NO difference to our success. The lineman he took his first year from Vandy (Soders?) Was one of the poorest O Lineman that I have ever seen at GT. Collins has had ample time to make us better than we are. He just isn't getting the job done.
