And we thought CPJ set us back.....

The Jacket said:
You, and everyone who thinks Paul Johnson or Geoff Collins or the combination of the two have spelled the death knell of Tech football, are oversimplifying the entire issue to a degree that I don't know how to describe it with an analogy. Paul Johnson gave us seasons and wins which we have had precious few of since the Dodd era. He did that with another guy's players and with his own. Nevertheless, when he left, we had a severe talent deficit, and Collins inherited that. Most people were fine with giving Collins the first year to look like total trash, and so we did. They should have been willing to accept the second year being rough as hell too, but we still had a number of people who decided that this didn't look like the rebuild they imagined in their cavernous heads, so they'd seen enough a year ago. Now, that number has increased and it is easy to throw together slogans and memes to mock our coach because people are sick of waiting for a reason to be optimistic. I get that. I also get that the same people don't know what the öööö would fix our program, they just know they're not happy with the way things are and they've got internet access. They may very well be right that Collins is a total clown and we will never be successful under him. But they don't know that, they only know they don't like this.

All this öööö is more complicated than the hypercondensed horseshit StingTalk is bursting with, but complications and critical thought don't net as many likes as "9in3"
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It shouldn't take more than a single year to bring in enough athleticism to beat ööööing .500 Boston College at home

Mel Tucker is 9-1 at Michigan State in year two after inheriting less talent than Collins did
 
The Jacket said:
You, and everyone who thinks Paul Johnson or Geoff Collins or the combination of the two have spelled the death knell of Tech football, are oversimplifying the entire issue to a degree that I don't know how to describe it with an analogy. Paul Johnson gave us seasons and wins which we have had precious few of since the Dodd era. He did that with another guy's players and with his own. Nevertheless, when he left, we had a severe talent deficit, and Collins inherited that. Most people were fine with giving Collins the first year to look like total trash, and so we did. They should have been willing to accept the second year being rough as hell too, but we still had a number of people who decided that this didn't look like the rebuild they imagined in their cavernous heads, so they'd seen enough a year ago. Now, that number has increased and it is easy to throw together slogans and memes to mock our coach because people are sick of waiting for a reason to be optimistic. I get that. I also get that the same people don't know what the öööö would fix our program, they just know they're not happy with the way things are and they've got internet access. They may very well be right that Collins is a total clown and we will never be successful under him. But they don't know that, they only know they don't like this.

All this öööö is more complicated than the hypercondensed horseshit StingTalk is bursting with, but complications and critical thought don't net as many likes as "9in3"
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Please prove the talent deficit. Because the results in 2019 are the same as the results in 2021.
 
Johnson retired and was decent enough to do so without handing us a 7-8 figure buyout bill as he left. He was here a long time and was among our more successful coaches. But he’s enjoying retirement, let it go.

Hiring an up and coming, but unproven coach at P5 level football was worth a try. Things just don’t always work out. Logic would have suggested hiring this unproven (at P5 level) coach with a 4-5 year contract, maybe some auto renew terms based on success. But damn it that didn’t happen.

If it had happened, the whole staff would probably be told what they have to do next year to keep their jobs. Things would either turn around quickly, maybe with some staff changes, or we’d be able to move on with a clean slate.

As it is, somebody writing big checks is gonna have to want change sooner than a couple years from now.
 
StraightFresh said:
I bought into the used car salesman's pitch, the post
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Whatever it is... it ain't working. Also we have more talent than we've had on paper in a while.. and the execution and play on defense alone is enough (especially for a defense focused coach) to note that we are not at a place of where we want to be after 3 years to be seeing any improvement to where we should be ok with this staff. Barely losing games you should win over and over and over and over again isn't a sign of growth. Its a sign that you are on your way out IMO. There is no excuse. We have seen what is available and it sucks. Time to go. If we lose recruits that bought into this mess then so be it if we can't turn them around with logic and common sense with a new guy. Time for real coaching..real practices, and for accountability. Never been been more sick of this salesman coach and the staff that are just essentially stealing min
 
HCOJacket25 said:
Whatever it is... it ain't working. Also we have more talent than we've had on paper in a while.. and the execution and play on defense alone is enough (especially for a defense focused coach) to note that we are not at a place of where we want to be after 3 years to be seeing any improvement to where we should be ok with this staff. Barely losing games you should win over and over and over and over again isn't a sign of growth. Its a sign that you are on your way out IMO. There is no excuse. We have seen what is available and it sucks. Time to go. If we lose recruits that bought into this mess then so be it if we can't turn them around with logic and common sense with a new guy. Time for real coaching..real practices, and for accountability. Never been been more sick of this salesman coach and the staff that are just essentially stealing min
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My post got messed up sorry! I meant to say they are stealing money and are used boat salesmen. They are also possibly a cancer on this program other than Marco and Tashard Choice. Everybody else sucks and needs to go. Tstan basically admitted to being potentially "sold" in the interview in the inaugural presser for CGC. Go back and watch. Its over get somebody new in here asap
 
The Jacket said:
You, and everyone who thinks Paul Johnson or Geoff Collins or the combination of the two have spelled the death knell of Tech football, are oversimplifying the entire issue to a degree that I don't know how to describe it with an analogy. Paul Johnson gave us seasons and wins which we have had precious few of since the Dodd era. He did that with another guy's players and with his own. Nevertheless, when he left, we had a severe talent deficit, and Collins inherited that. Most people were fine with giving Collins the first year to look like total trash, and so we did. They should have been willing to accept the second year being rough as hell too, but we still had a number of people who decided that this didn't look like the rebuild they imagined in their cavernous heads, so they'd seen enough a year ago. Now, that number has increased and it is easy to throw together slogans and memes to mock our coach because people are sick of waiting for a reason to be optimistic. I get that. I also get that the same people don't know what the öööö would fix our program, they just know they're not happy with the way things are and they've got internet access. They may very well be right that Collins is a total clown and we will never be successful under him. But they don't know that, they only know they don't like this.

All this öööö is more complicated than the hypercondensed horseshit StingTalk is bursting with, but complications and critical thought don't net as many likes as "9in3"
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I’m still waiting for the answer from your post… if I’m oversimplifying then please enlighten me to the complexity that is the answer. We have no money? The school hates athletics? Our academics are too hard? Our students don’t care about football and the fan base that did is dying off? There’s too much to compete with in Atlanta?

I’m keenly aware that there are deeper issues. But allow me to oversimplify this — we are a öööötily coached team that is underprepared week in and week out. This is a terribly coached team. Terribly terribly terribly coached. Talent and money will not fix that.
 
JRJacket said:
I’m still waiting for the answer from your post… if I’m oversimplifying then please enlighten me to the complexity that is the answer. We have no money? The school hates athletics? Our academics are too hard? Our students don’t care about football and the fan base that did is dying off? There’s too much to compete with in Atlanta?

I’m keenly aware that there are deeper issues. But allow me to oversimplify this — we are a öööötily coached team that is underprepared week in and week out. This is a terribly coached team. Terribly terribly terribly coached. Talent and money will not fix that.
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My point was that Paul Johnson both gave us excellent stretches, and when he left we were in a hole. Now, our head coach does not seem to be bringing us out of that hole, or at least not at an acceptable clip. My answer is that it's ööööing stupid to blame all of our immediate problems on one guy and, in so doing, to absolve the other guys we blamed previously. There are a number of people responsible for our current state and anyone who focuses all their absurd vitriol on one person while raging against anyone who dares blame anyone else, is a ööööing simpleton.
 
The Jacket said:
My point was that Paul Johnson both gave us excellent stretches, and when he left we were in a hole. Now, our head coach does not seem to be bringing us out of that hole, or at least not at an acceptable clip. My answer is that it's ööööing stupid to blame all of our immediate problems on one guy and, in so doing, to absolve the other guys we blamed previously. There are a number of people responsible for our current state and anyone who focuses all their absurd vitriol on one person while raging against anyone who dares blame anyone else, is a ööööing simpleton.
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Fair, people like bobinski and Braine and Peterson and etc. etc. etc. deserve blame and are foundational to our issues. I’m just voicing the opinion that our current staff lacks discipline and could be doing better with what they have. I like Collins and his passion for GT and the hype that they’ve brought, but all along I’ve had this sneaking suspicion that “this staff doesn’t know how to coach football.” And each week validates that.
 
HCOJacket25 said:
Whatever it is... it ain't working. Also we have more talent than we've had on paper in a while.. and the execution and play on defense alone is enough (especially for a defense focused coach) to note that we are not at a place of where we want to be after 3 years to be seeing any improvement to where we should be ok with this staff. Barely losing games you should win over and over and over and over again isn't a sign of growth. Its a sign that you are on your way out IMO. There is no excuse. We have seen what is available and it sucks. Time to go. If we lose recruits that bought into this mess then so be it if we can't turn them around with logic and common sense with a new guy. Time for real coaching..real practices, and for accountability. Never been been more sick of this salesman coach and the staff that are just essentially stealing min
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"Barely losing games you should win" is something I keep hearing, but I actually think it's pretty incredible that our games are close, considering what the defense is (not) doing. We stayed in a close game with Miami, for instance, despite being outgained by almost 150 yards (they quite literally doubled our yards/attempt). Our Duke win was close, but they only outgained us by 50 yards. BC was close, but again, there's a 150 yard delta, and they finished the game with quite literally triple our yards/attempt. UVA only outgained us by 66 yards, but then again, that was in the process of gaining 636 on us. Generally speaking, these are not games you statistically expect to win. Pitt, who beat us senseless, for reference, only outgained us by 150 yards. In a game where everything goes as expected with that kind of yardage differential, the Pitt score differential is actually about what you should see. So I think it doesn't really make a lot of sense to say these are games we "should win", based on how they were played. Or maybe what I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to say that we are "barely losing" them. Whichever one works best you can pick.

But in any event, I don't think the idea that we are failing to grasp something that is just beyond our reach is an accurate portrayal of the situation. I think it's actually still quite far beyond our reach, and we've managed to come much closer to it than we deserve. Whether that's better or worse for anyone's opinion of Collins, I can't say.
 
JRJacket said:
Fair, people like bobinski and Braine and Peterson and etc. etc. etc. deserve blame and are foundational to our issues. I’m just voicing the opinion that our current staff lacks discipline and could be doing better with what they have. I like Collins and his passion for GT and the hype that they’ve brought, but all along I’ve had this sneaking suspicion that “this staff doesn’t know how to coach football.” And each week validates that.
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I think it's a fear most of us had, even if we hopped aboard the juice train. It's fun to buy into the hype, until it's not. I've tried to write it off as overreaction and the sheer volume of whiskey I was drinking that fall but I wanted Pdude gone in year 1. I was legitimately stunned when we appeared to have an offensive gameplan against Carolina. Even still, that game had his signature "what the öööö are we even ööööing thinking" playcalls peppered throughout. I think he is just in over his head.

Whoever mentioned Beamer's firesale after his second year was spot on, I think. If Collins can make it work here, it will not involve this staff. There are guys who should stay, as was said our RB department is fine. But if CGC decides to stay the course with these coordinators, I think we can go ahead and start scouting replacements.
 
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