And we thought CPJ set us back.....

The Jacket said:
My point was that Paul Johnson both gave us excellent stretches, and when he left we were in a hole. Now, our head coach does not seem to be bringing us out of that hole, or at least not at an acceptable clip. My answer is that it's ööööing stupid to blame all of our immediate problems on one guy and, in so doing, to absolve the other guys we blamed previously. There are a number of people responsible for our current state and anyone who focuses all their absurd vitriol on one person while raging against anyone who dares blame anyone else, is a ööööing simpleton.
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And my point is saying someone who left us in second place in the division left us in a hole and whose major flaw was going 1-5 his last 3 years against 2 teams that went a collective 50-8 or whatever in UGA and Clemson is monumentally stupid.
 
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"Barely losing games you should win" is something I keep hearing, but I actually think it's pretty incredible that our games are close, considering what the defense is (not) doing. We stayed in a close game with Miami, for instance, despite being outgained by almost 150 yards (they quite literally doubled our yards/attempt). Our Duke win was close, but they only outgained us by 50 yards. BC was close, but again, there's a 150 yard delta, and they finished the game with quite literally triple our yards/attempt. UVA only outgained us by 66 yards, but then again, that was in the process of gaining 636 on us. Generally speaking, these are not games you statistically expect to win. Pitt, who beat us senseless, for reference, only outgained us by 150 yards. In a game where everything goes as expected with that kind of yardage differential, the Pitt score differential is actually about what you should see. So I think it doesn't really make a lot of sense to say these are games we "should win", based on how they were played. Or maybe what I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to say that we are "barely losing" them. Whichever one works best you can pick.

But in any event, I don't think the idea that we are failing to grasp something that is just beyond our reach is an accurate portrayal of the situation. I think it's actually still quite far beyond our reach, and we've managed to come much closer to it than we deserve. Whether that's better or worse for anyone's opinion of Collins, I can't say.
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Yeah, that’s pretty much what a From The Rumble Seat advanced stats article was saying this week - we’re losing closer, but statistically we’re not playing as well as the scores would lead you to believe.

JRjr
 
GTCrew4b said:
And my point is blaming someone who left us in second place in the division left us in a hole and whose major flaw was going 1-5 his last 3 years against 2 teams that went a collective 50-8 or whatever in UGA and Clemson is monumentally stupid.
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Your "point" is meaningless because you still think I'm "blaming someone" for all this. Collins may very well be a clown, but Tech fans who insist on this being a Johnson Jockeys vs. Geoff's Juice Guzzlers war are the entire goddamn circus.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
"Barely losing games you should win" is something I keep hearing, but I actually think it's pretty incredible that our games are close, considering what the defense is (not) doing. We stayed in a close game with Miami, for instance, despite being outgained by almost 150 yards (they quite literally doubled our yards/attempt). Our Duke win was close, but they only outgained us by 50 yards. BC was close, but again, there's a 150 yard delta, and they finished the game with quite literally triple our yards/attempt. UVA only outgained us by 66 yards, but then again, that was in the process of gaining 636 on us. Generally speaking, these are not games you statistically expect to win. Pitt, who beat us senseless, for reference, only outgained us by 150 yards. In a game where everything goes as expected with that kind of yardage differential, the Pitt score differential is actually about what you should see. So I think it doesn't really make a lot of sense to say these are games we "should win", based on how they were played. Or maybe what I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to say that we are "barely losing" them. Whichever one works best you can pick.

But in any event, I don't think the idea that we are failing to grasp something that is just beyond our reach is an accurate portrayal of the situation. I think it's actually still quite far beyond our reach, and we've managed to come much closer to it than we deserve. Whether that's better or worse for anyone's opinion of Collins, I can't say.
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I see what you are saying.. but nevertheless these people IMO are getting paid such money to be the big cheese and consistently not delver wouldn't be tolerated in the corporate world. So why here? Is anyone accountable? The buck stops somewhere. We have seen enough. No one else other than curry has seen this kind of losing and also quite frankly this is different because of his refusal to man up and stop the rainbow coach speak. Im tired of it and I donate quite a bit. Im sure somebody will tell me to eff off, but eff them.... this guy is not going to work. I know it. You know it. Hey maybe it'll work out. God I hope it does
 
If you look OBJECTIVELY at this season, it should be easy to say that at this point in the season, we really we could have and IMO should have only lost one game (Pitt), regardless of our crappy defense. P'Nut doesn't have a clue what plays to call when. In the first half, he seemed to have it going, and he was really only let down by the defense, but we had a chance to move down the field and score again before halftime, and yet out of the blue, he went back to the same predictable plays that have been his problem in all the other games --- running off tackle in spite of a line that can't open up holes. Earlier, he had Yates throw pitches, pass effective screens, pass down field, etc, etc. Why not continue to run the same plays that had worked so far in the game. And then unaccountably, he continues that do-nothing trend in the 3rd quarter, and I don't think we ever saw another pitch in the rest of the game. When something is working and producing positive results, then why not continue doing that? And also in the second half, once again we see him feeling the need to call a 3rd down timeout, because he obviously didn't have a play in his mind that would, or at least might, work. And then, again as usual, the eventual 3rd down play has an offensive penalty, thus putting an end to our chances. Why doesn't he have a few, or even just one, play in his mind that he is ALWAYS ready to call, never needing chaos on the field and the ensuing time out? He simply doesn't have a clue, and by extension, that MUST extend to Collins. There is no excuse whatsoever for the failure of this season, and it will never get any better, if they both don't wake up, or if Collins doesn't get rid of P'Nut, even if the D continues to fail us. When the D is suspect (and that's putting in mildly), then don't let thing get so far that you end up having to rely on them. TAKE CHARGE and SCORE on every drive. or at least put yourself in the position of having a real chance to score.
 
The Jacket said:
Your "point" is meaningless because you still think I'm "blaming someone" for all this. Collins may very well be a clown, but Tech fans who insist on this being a Johnson Jockeys vs. Geoff's Juice Guzzlers war are the entire goddamn circus.
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You said CPJ left us in a hole. I ask, “What hole?”

you’re right that it’s not one person’s fault. It’s the portion of the fanbase and big money donors who forced us away from the option.The ones who refused to interview option coaches.
 
GTCrew4b said:
You said CPJ left us in a hole. I ask, “What hole?”

you’re right that it’s not one person’s fault. It’s the portion of the fanbase and big money donors who forced us away from the option.The ones who refused to interview option coaches.
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Our talent was öööö when Paul Johnson left. That is the hole he left us in. Collins is not to blame for that. He is most definitely to blame for the fact that in almost all certainty, our win total in his third year will be the same as his first year with Johnson's players. The fact that Collins has not pulled us out of the hole does not mean we were not left in one.
 
GTCrew4b said:
You said CPJ left us in a hole. I ask, “What hole?”

you’re right that it’s not one person’s fault. It’s the portion of the fanbase and big money donors who forced us away from the option.The ones who refused to interview option coaches.
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That boat has sailed and will never return to the flats. No option coach with any sanity would ever bring any similar scheme here again.
 
whiskey clear said:
That boat has sailed and will never return to the flats. No option coach with any sanity would ever bring any similar scheme here again.
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Coaching modern football without using the forward pass is not something one would do with sanity either, that's why I like 'em in the first place.
 
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my father in law who is a dawg fan keeps talking about how awful of a coach CPJ was with his high school offense, and how good of a coach we have now in GC. he repeats the same mantras that Collins does about how this is a historic rebuild and how CPJ set the program back for years. The truth is, however, he is just happy that UGA doesn't have to face Paul Johnson every year
 
jacket_sav said:
my father in law who is a dawg fan keeps talking about how awful of a coach CPJ was with his high school offense, and how good of a coach we have now in GC. he repeats the same mantras that Collins does about how this is a historic rebuild and how CPJ set the program back for years. The truth is, however, he is just happy that UGA doesn't have to face Paul Johnson every year
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Mutt fans would be gnashing their teeth at the thought of their vaunted Dline having to face a 3O OL and a bevy of cut blocks prior to the SEC championship game. The ones I know are pretty gleeful at the prospect of the warmup game they see coming.
 
jacket_sav said:
my father in law who is a dawg fan keeps talking about how awful of a coach CPJ was with his high school offense, and how good of a coach we have now in GC. he repeats the same mantras that Collins does about how this is a historic rebuild and how CPJ set the program back for years. The truth is, however, he is just happy that UGA doesn't have to face Paul Johnson every year
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CPJ had a big hand in making UGA (and Clemson) what they are today.
 
jacket_sav said:
my father in law who is a dawg fan keeps talking about how awful of a coach CPJ was with his high school offense, and how good of a coach we have now in GC. he repeats the same mantras that Collins does about how this is a historic rebuild and how CPJ set the program back for years. The truth is, however, he is just happy that UGA doesn't have to face Paul Johnson every year
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Older guys have a visceral hatred for offenses that don't have pass-oriented quarterbacks. "Not real football". It's okay to be a run-heavy team, but only as long as the runs are standard handoffs to a running back and the quarterback has to do standard dropback passes out of standard NFL formations when they do pass. It's universal in the 50+ crowd, which is surprising given that option offenses weren't uncommon in their day, even at power programs.

Younger fans/alumni don't have 1/10th the prejudice against it that the 50+ boosters do, but all of the elderly money guys absolutely despise it which is why even the scum-eating programs like Kansas and Vanderbilt won't consider running it. The median 65 year old booster would rather have his team go 5-7 running a pro-style offense (whatever that even means) than 10-2 running a low-pass option offense. Works great when you can recruit like UGA or Oklahoma, not so much if you're anyone else.
 
The Jacket said:
Our talent was öööö when Paul Johnson left. That is the hole he left us in. Collins is not to blame for that. He is most definitely to blame for the fact that in almost all certainty, our win total in his third year will be the same as his first year with Johnson's players. The fact that Collins has not pulled us out of the hole does not mean we were not left in one.
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Shut the öööö up, dumbass. GPJ's last recruiting class in 2018 was ranked higher than CGC's class this year in 2021.
 
The Jacket said:
Our talent was öööö when Paul Johnson left. That is the hole he left us in. Collins is not to blame for that. He is most definitely to blame for the fact that in almost all certainty, our win total in his third year will be the same as his first year with Johnson's players. The fact that Collins has not pulled us out of the hole does not mean we were not left in one.
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Our talent was in a position to have a down year in 2019 and get better in 2020 and 2021 following an established cycle under CPJ and for all programs that are not factory programs. CGC stated this is a development program now. Where is the development? Why is our ööööty talent still starting and contributing all over the field?

we don’t have a talent issue under Collins and never have. We have a leadership, accountability, and development issue. He demands no accountability. He creates a culture of weakness. He demands no responsibility. Team is soft and this is likely the start of a very bad run for GT because someone who comes in and starts demanding those things will face a full on revolt. Think Texas without the money and recruiting advantages afterCharlie Strong.
 
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