And we thought CPJ set us back.....

[ee8384]

Older guys have a visceral hatred for offenses that don't have pass-oriented quarterbacks. "Not real football". It's okay to be a run-heavy team, but only as long as the runs are standard handoffs to a running back and the quarterback has to do standard dropback passes out of standard NFL formations when they do pass. It's universal in the 50+ crowd, which is surprising given that option offenses weren't uncommon in their day, even at power programs.

Younger fans/alumni don't have 1/10th the prejudice against it that the 50+ boosters do, but all of the elderly money guys absolutely despise it which is why even the scum-eating programs like Kansas and Vanderbilt won't consider running it. The median 65 year old booster would rather have his team go 5-7 running a pro-style offense (whatever that even means) than 10-2 running a low-pass option offense. Works great when you can recruit like UGA or Oklahoma, not so much if you're anyone else.

Dude, I'm 60 and grew up watching Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Bama, Arkansas, USC, UCLA, etc. dominate with the wishbone and run-oriented offenses. So you have your timeline all wrong.

 

[1982Jacket]

Dude, I'm 60 and grew up watching Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Bama, Arkansas, USC, UCLA, etc. dominate with the wishbone and run-oriented offenses. So you have your timeline all wrong.

61 here, and I fully concur. Even The Bear ran The Bone for a time in the early 70s, with Johnny Musso. Ohio State used to be called 3 yards and a cloud of dust. I think Woody Hayes once said that three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad.

Anyway . . . I think I get your screen-name. BEE' 82, here. I guess you were a year or two behind me, but maybe we had some classes together anyway. Professors Kendall Su, Leach, Moad, Peatman, D.C. "Death" Ray, Hertling, Webb, Kent Davies, . . . any of those guys ring a bell?

 

[GTJay]

Dude, I'm 60 and grew up watching Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Bama, Arkansas, USC, UCLA, etc. dominate with the wishbone and run-oriented offenses. So you have your timeline all wrong.

Man, what I wouldn’t give right now to return to the days of averaging 7+ wins a season with occasional wins over UGA and Clemson running the “dadgum wishbone” rather than enduring this dumpster fire of a “developmental program”. But alas that ship has sailed….

 

[RussianOffense]

I think rushing offenses fell out of favor because of passing QB worship that took off in the 90's. John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, and the like. Now football is supposed to be about cool passes and catches. Offenses that don't center around them are marginalized and are annoying to most people, who have one image of football.

 

[GTRules]

This isn’t the “suck for Luck” NFL. You get nothing for coming in last.

Speaking of suck, how’s your mamma?

 

[eg1]

I think rushing offenses fell out of favor because of passing QB worship that took off in the 90's. John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, and the like. Now football is supposed to be about cool passes and catches. Offenses that don't center around them are marginalized and are annoying to most people, who have one image of football.

Rules changes from the 80s through now have also distorted the game in favour of offense in general and passing in particular such that it is virtually unrecognizable compared to the game I grew up watching in the 70s.

 

[1990wspjacket]

We will win.

Drunk post

 

[ee8384]

61 here, and I fully concur. Even The Bear ran The Bone for a time in the early 70s, with Johnny Musso. Ohio State used to be called 3 yards and a cloud of dust. I think Woody Hayes once said that three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad.

Anyway . . . I think I get your screen-name. BEE' 82, here. I guess you were a year or two behind me, but maybe we had some classes together anyway. Professors Kendall Su, Leach, Moad, Peatman, D.C. "Death" Ray, Hertling, Webb, Kent Davies, . . . any of those guys ring a bell?

I had Su, Ray, Davies, that I recall. Focused on semiconductors so Dr. Uyemura (RIP) was my guy - sponsored my MSEE.

 

[Liberty]

Speaking of suck, how’s your mamma?

She’s great. You’re no longer stuck in her sphincter. She took a Collins enema.

Ha ha, you’re my bitch and I’m king of imbecilic yo’ momma retorts!!!!

 

[gtchief]

Shut the öööö up, dumbass. GPJ's last recruiting class in 2018 was ranked higher than CGC's class this year in 2021.

It's hard for a class with 24 recruits to not be better than a class with 16 recruits. If transfers were factored into the ranking then I think '21 would've won easily. The average was already better.

Looking at team talent composite Tech was 50th in 2018 and 33rd in 2021.

This is a poor take.

 

[aeromech]

Our talent was in a position to have a down year in 2019 and get better in 2020 and 2021 following an established cycle under CPJ and for all programs that are not factory programs. CGC stated this is a development program now. Where is the development? Why is our ööööty talent still starting and contributing all over the field?

we don’t have a talent issue under Collins and never have. We have a leadership, accountability, and development issue. He demands no accountability. He creates a culture of weakness. He demands no responsibility. Team is soft and this is likely the start of a very bad run for GT because someone who comes in and starts demanding those things will face a full on revolt. Think Texas without the money and recruiting advantages afterCharlie Strong.

The whole 'the cupboard was bare' argument has grown stale with so many players still contributing valuable minutes in season 3 It was a lame excuse in year 1 after taking over a bowl eligible team, it is a sad excuse now for those looking for an excuse.

 

[QuadF]

Our talent was in a position to have a down year in 2019 and get better in 2020 and 2021 following an established cycle under CPJ and for all programs that are not factory programs. CGC stated this is a development program now. Where is the development? Why is our ööööty talent still starting and contributing all over the field?

we don’t have a talent issue under Collins and never have. We have a leadership, accountability, and development issue. He demands no accountability. He creates a culture of weakness. He demands no responsibility. Team is soft and this is likely the start of a very bad run for GT because someone who comes in and starts demanding those things will face a full on revolt. Think Texas without the money and recruiting advantages afterCharlie Strong.

I don't think we can say truly say that the recruiting is better. We have lots of stars on the board, but our coaching is so bad that they could all be busts and we'd never know.

 

[TechRush]

After The Beatles broke up, John Lennon's first solo album had a song called God. The song is pretty crazy and Lennon lists all the people, things he doesn't believe in and finally says he doesn't believe in Beatles, he believes in me, yoko and me and that's reality. Then he ends the song by telling everyone that we all have to just carry on because the dream is over.

Well the dream is over.

 

[GTRules]

She’s great. You’re no longer stuck in her sphincter. She took a Collins enema.

Ha ha, you’re my bitch and I’m king of imbecilic yo’ momma retorts!!!!

I don’t think you understand why you just did a self-own.

 

[georgytech]

Older guys have a visceral hatred for offenses that don't have pass-oriented quarterbacks. "Not real football". It's okay to be a run-heavy team, but only as long as the runs are standard handoffs to a running back and the quarterback has to do standard dropback passes out of standard NFL formations when they do pass. It's universal in the 50+ crowd, which is surprising given that option offenses weren't uncommon in their day, even at power programs.

Younger fans/alumni don't have 1/10th the prejudice against it that the 50+ boosters do, but all of the elderly money guys absolutely despise it which is why even the scum-eating programs like Kansas and Vanderbilt won't consider running it. The median 65 year old booster would rather have his team go 5-7 running a pro-style offense (whatever that even means) than 10-2 running a low-pass option offense. Works great when you can recruit like UGA or Oklahoma, not so much if you're anyone else.

I'm an old guy & I like running the football.
All these rule changes that have contributed to these pass happy offenses is terrible.
Told my wife during the game that pass interference penalty should be abolished & full contact allowed on receivers anytime, anywhere on the field half jokingly
Back in the day defensive struggles were great

 

[Liberty]

I don’t think you understand why you just did a self-own.

You really are as dense as everyone thinks.

 

[jacket_sav]

After The Beatles broke up, John Lennon's first solo album had a song called God. The song is pretty crazy and Lennon lists all the people, things he doesn't believe in and finally says he doesn't believe in Beatles, he believes in me, yoko and me and that's reality. Then he ends the song by telling everyone that we all have to just carry on because the dream is over.

Well the dream is over.

 

[knoxjacket]

The whole 'the cupboard was bare' argument has grown stale with so many players still contributing valuable minutes in season 3 It was a lame excuse in year 1 after taking over a bowl eligible team, it is a sad excuse now for those looking for an excuse.

The cupboard is bare argument is still fine. Three starters on offense are Johnson guys. Our offense is average. 8 starters on defense are Johnson guys and our defense is abysmal.

Collins inability to find instant impact guys to beat this slaw out is a separate argument.

That said I’d be willing to bet the 2020 class by itself has more guys drafted than the 2016/7/8 classes of Johnson’s combined.

 

[TechRush]

The cupboard is bare argument is still fine. Three starters on offense are Johnson guys. Our offense is average. 8 starters on defense are Johnson guys and our defense is abysmal.

Collins inability to find instant impact guys to beat this slaw out is a separate argument.

That said I’d be willing to bet the 2020 class by itself has more guys drafted than the 2016/7/8 classes of Johnson’s combined.

Yeah! We going to get some players in the league so they can tell us what high school they attended!

 

[Walton]

There is no question that he did. But we made a bad hire to correct Paul Johnson's failings.

Actually if the transition was going to be bad, then Collins was perfect for that. Rebrand the program with HS recruits and younger; transition the roster to normal college size and positions. Let him take all the hits and then the next guy can be a hard nose, X & O guy that can build from there and many people will love him because he isn’t Collins.

HS players are more interested in losing GT under Collins than they were a winning Johnson.