Armed Forces Bowl

RamblinWreck92 said:
Please. This was the worst VPI team in a generation, no matter how the Option lovers want to spin it. It got destroyed by lowly ODU fercrissakes.

We scored 1 TD and a couple of FGs vs UVA. The offense got stifled time and time again. We won primarily due to a Safety by the D and the resulting PR TD from that. And an awesome kicker. And yes, Bronco's stupidity.

Duke also stuffed us and so did Pitt. It's only irrational to think that cupcake blowouts equated to an offense that was good against other teams when, in fact, it wasn't.
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sthorfinnr said:
Don't try to sugarcoat a turd. The ACC Coastal was craptastic this year. Finishing behind Pitt and missing the rights to getting stomped by Clemson in the Championship game on a rare year when VT and Da U both stunk is a failure.
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We definitely should’ve gone at least 2-1 against USF, Duke, and Pitt. If we had it would’ve been a really good year. We are probably in the top 20. Very disappointing but by no means unacceptable. Going 5-3 in a P-5 conference when your cross division opponent is a national title contender is not bad.
 
johncu said:
So you're telling me we did a lot better against weaker opponents than we did against good opponents? No way!

FWIW we punted 3 times against Virginia. That's the lowest number of punts they forced the entire season. VT put up 34 the following week and got "stuffed" and forced to punt 7 times. UVA did not stuff us.

Duke stuffed us. Pitt stuffed us for a half. UGA and Clemson obviously stuffed us. The other 8 games, we played well enough on offense to win. Is that an elite offense? Of course not. But it's a solid one that was handicapped by the lack of a QB. With an actual passing threat we probably go 9-3 this year, at worst.
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UVA absolutely stuffed us. 1 single TD is a stuffing. Duke bitch-slapped it the whole game - the same Duke team that gave up 56 to mighty Wake Forest, the same Duke team that lost to miserable VPI.

The offense was good vs cupcakes and crap against non-cupcakes. It was downright embarrassing vs elite teams. The lack of an actual passing threat was another recruiting failure by CPJ. The Option lovers will bigcry that but it doesn't change the truth.

thank the gods it's gone!
 
JoeCakeEater said:
No sidewalk fans were coming to watch option football and around half of the fan base was over it by the time the last regime retired. It’s not that Monken would not have won games here. TStan made the right decision.
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This argument actually makes sense. RW92 trying to argue that the offense wasn't successful is just dumb.
 
johncu said:
This argument actually makes sense. RW92 trying to argue that the offense wasn't successful is just dumb.
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It wasn't as great as you are claiming and was both extremely predictable and one-dimensional. It wasn't that successful vs Pitt, Duke, UVA, Clemson, nor mutts. None of that's debatable.
 
thwg said:
He was never considered. Doesn't mean he would not have been highly successful but Tstan wanted to move away from the option. He needed to recreate the GT brand so moving from the option was a necessity. Who knows maybe CGC leaves for Alabama in 4-5 years and we hire Monken?
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wow, what an interesting thought.btw--it might be 7 yrs (long contracr)
 
Allen Koholic said:
I really think Monken would have done a good job here.
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Many years ago, I was in PJ's office and asked him who he thought on his staff would make a good head coach one day. I got an answer I wasn't expecting.
He said Monken. I asked why. Because Jeff understands organization.
That was 1998-99.
 
77GTFan said:
Our West Point player was already home and in church today. He said Monken was great at halftime. They were up 42-7 and he said Monken told them “Keep the accelerator to the floor. Do not let up. Go for the biggest bowl win in history. Everyone will get playing time, but when it is your time, show me why you should be playing more.”

He turned it over to the acting Defensive Coordinator, the DB’s Coach, who promised, “Our DB’s will have their guys covered. So, front seven, we will be sending you every play. This is your half. Go out there and get as many sacks and hurries as you can.”

Jake has absolutely loved playing at Army. He says Monken is as tough as nails but a great motivator. He said when he gets married I can expect 30 groomsmen in his wedding, because there are that many players who are like brothers to him. He has one more year and has had an amazing experience there.

Valdosta High head coach Alan Rodemaker is a Zebulon, NC native and his family was home for Christmas and in church today. His son, Tate, is a 6’3” or 6’4” Junior who set the single season Valdosta record for passing yardage this past season. Would not mind seeing him come our way.
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Thanks for sharing that. Happy to hear your son is happy.

PS. That final comment probably belongs in a separate post and/or thread. Then again, there's nothing you should expect more on ST than a non sequitur.
 
sthorfinnr said:
All I can say is the people who have such passion for Jeff Monken should have spoken up and expressed their desires between the time PJ retired and CGC got hired, instead of spending the last 3 weeks throwing their tantrums and pining for another coach after the fact.
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Some of us did and let TStan know.
 
77GTFan said:
Our West Point player was already home and in church today. He said Monken was great at halftime. They were up 42-7 and he said Monken told them “Keep the accelerator to the floor. Do not let up. Go for the biggest bowl win in history. Everyone will get playing time, but when it is your time, show me why you should be playing more.”

He turned it over to the acting Defensive Coordinator, the DB’s Coach, who promised, “Our DB’s will have their guys covered. So, front seven, we will be sending you every play. This is your half. Go out there and get as many sacks and hurries as you can.”

Jake has absolutely loved playing at Army. He says Monken is as tough as nails but a great motivator. He said when he gets married I can expect 30 groomsmen in his wedding, because there are that many players who are like brothers to him. He has one more year and has had an amazing experience there.

Valdosta High head coach Alan Rodemaker is a Zebulon, NC native and his family was home for Christmas and in church today. His son, Tate, is a 6’3” or 6’4” Junior who set the single season Valdosta record for passing yardage this past season. Would not mind seeing him come our way.
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I've known Jeff a long time and he is an absolute class act.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
It wasn't as great as you are claiming and was both extremely predictable and one-dimensional. It wasn't that successful vs Pitt, Duke, UVA, Clemson, nor mutts. None of that's debatable.
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Where did I claim it was great? It was amazing when we could dominate at the LOS and decent even when we couldn't. The lack of a passing game kept us from being great.

FWIW this isn't just my opinion. Football Outsiders FEI ranked our offense 17th. Don't even start with the "cupcakes" thing, because it takes opponent defensive strength into account and doesn't even count scores in blowout games.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
"Branding" that's all you need to know about why we didn't go with Monken and why it was the correct decision.
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The only time I can remember us truly having an identity and a "brand" that's nationally recognized (besides "the place Calvin Johnson plays" or "the answer to an AFLAC trivia question") is under CPJ, where we were nationally known as a hard-nosed, throwback running team. That brought along with it the identity as an academically impressive school, as that was one of the reasons we ended up running CPJ's offense anyway. It was good to be recognized and name checked occasionally, even when we weren't in the top 25.

I'm curious to see if we will have a "brand" will be under CGC. Hopefully it's not "nondescript middle of the pack ACC team" like NC State or somebody.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
The only time I can remember us truly having an identity and a "brand" that's nationally recognized (besides "the place Calvin Johnson plays" or "the answer to an AFLAC trivia question") is under CPJ, where we were nationally known as a hard-nosed, throwback running team. That brought along with it the identity as an academically impressive school, as that was one of the reasons we ended up running CPJ's offense anyway. It was good to be recognized and name checked occasionally, even when we weren't in the top 25.

I'm curious to see if we will have a "brand" will be under CGC. Hopefully it's not "nondescript middle of the pack ACC team" like NC State or somebody.

JRjr
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The option offense had absolutely nothing to do with our identity as an academically impressive school. CPJ deserves credit for getting our academic house in order in terms of raising grad rates, but he or another coach could have run an air raid or pro style or any other kind of offense and accomplished that independent of the option offense.

You could by the same reasoning say the option offense was a part of an identity as a school with a poorly funded athletic department, but that would be an equally erroneous conclusion drawn from an insignificant correlation.
 
johncu said:
Where did I claim it was great? It was amazing when we could dominate at the LOS and decent even when we couldn't. The lack of a passing game kept us from being great.

FWIW this isn't just my opinion. Football Outsiders FEI ranked our offense 17th. Don't even start with the "cupcakes" thing, because it takes opponent defensive strength into account and doesn't even count scores in blowout games.
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It was amazing vs Loserville, VPI, and SF. It wasn't decent vs Duke nor Pitt. It was good vs UNC and ok vs UVA. Forget Clemson and the mutts. How's that?
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
UVA absolutely stuffed us. 1 single TD is a stuffing. Duke bitch-slapped it the whole game - the same Duke team that gave up 56 to mighty Wake Forest, the same Duke team that lost to miserable VPI.

The offense was good vs cupcakes and crap against non-cupcakes. It was downright embarrassing vs elite teams. The lack of an actual passing threat was another recruiting failure by CPJ. The Option lovers will bigcry that but it doesn't change the truth.

thank the gods it's gone!
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You're an idiot. And I didn't even like the option.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
UVA absolutely stuffed us. 1 single TD is a stuffing. Duke bitch-slapped it the whole game - the same Duke team that gave up 56 to mighty Wake Forest, the same Duke team that lost to miserable VPI.

The offense was good vs cupcakes and crap against non-cupcakes. It was downright embarrassing vs elite teams. The lack of an actual passing threat was another recruiting failure by CPJ. The Option lovers will bigcry that but it doesn't change the truth.

thank the gods it's gone!
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You're an idiot. And I didn't even like the option.
 
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