Buyout

Tampa Jacket said:
it still makes no sense to me that we were only able to win nine games. We should have won at least twice that many.

But you still can’t name me one person you would’ve hired retrospectively that would’ve done better for sure.
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You mean other than another TO coach, of course, since thats the only coaching style that could've transitioned seamlessly. Hard to pass pro with short, stubby linemen so any other coach would've been a complete rebuild. People are letting the horrible record blind them to the fact that any other coach would've dont terribly inheriting this team. There could be a few guys who could rebuild faster via the portal but those are 5-7 or 6-6 bandaids, aka Mike Norvell at FSU. Recruiting and developing players just takes time (several recruiting cycles) and I think people here are very short sited with Collins in that aspect. Having said all that, I think our HC and DC have been subpar to say the least. Our OC was better than people here gave him credit, IMO, but thats water under the bridge now.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
You mean other than another TO coach, of course, since thats the only coaching style that could've transitioned seamlessly. Hard to pass pro with short, stubby linemen so any other coach would've been a complete rebuild. People are letting the horrible record blind them to the fact that any other coach would've dont terribly inheriting this team. There could be a few guys who could rebuild faster via the portal but those are 5-7 or 6-6 bandaids, aka Mike Norvell at FSU. Recruiting and developing players just takes time (several recruiting cycles) and I think people here are very short sited with Collins in that aspect. Having said all that, I think our HC and DC have been subpar to say the least. Our OC was better than people here gave him credit, IMO, but thats water under the bridge now.
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Man, you are all over the place here. The transition from the TO was always accepted as the challenge and you give our OC props (that I don't believe are deserved, but whatever). So, right off the bat you acknowledge that the problem wasn't the offense, and double down by blaming the DC (which I agree with).

But the part in bold is just plain wrong. The rebuild was not on defense AND it was supposedly CGC's strength. Anything close to a passable defense and we aren't even having this discussion. The offensive rebuild, despite the OL issues and QB injuries, is on schedule enough that ANY coach that wouldn't have stepped on his defensive dick would have succeeded.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
He was a gamble. A 1 year HC who had won 7 games as a HC FBS level. But we’re Georgia Tech. We’re not an NFL franchise disguised as a college.

If you’re TS and Georgia Tech, he fits 90% of the build: he’s a heck of a recruiter from the Atlanta area, knows all the high school coaches, and he has coached in the SEC, succeeded and been promoted everywhere he’s been. If he makes even average assistant coaching hires he’s going to go .500 by year 3.

it still makes no sense to me that we were only able to win nine games. We should have won at least twice that many.

But you still can’t name me one person you would’ve hired retrospectively that would’ve done better for sure.
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And the bolded part is a big part of the problem. Collins with a mediocre OC & DC makes a very different first 3 years.
 
I haven't participated in this thread. In fact, I haven't even read this thread. Based on the title, have you guys raised the buyout cash yet? In negotiations? How's it going?
 
gtchief said:
I think any improvement in the backup QB situation we've had will produce results. That cost us at least two to three wins in my opinion.
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Backup QB cost us 2-3 wins? Maybe NIU, but in that game the backup outplayed the starter. Clemson perhaps. The offense did nothing there. I’m not sold that any of our QBs could have done better. ND and uga were losses regardless.

We played 3 top shelf defenses this year and probably 8 that were flatly bad. Pitt was middling but not horrible. Our backup had the misfortune to face the three best defenses, so his performance probably looked worse than it really was.
 
WracerX said:
Backup QB cost us 2-3 wins? Maybe NIU, but in that game the backup outplayed the starter. Clemson perhaps. The offense did nothing there. I’m not sold that any of our QBs could have done better. ND and uga were losses regardless.

We played 3 top shelf defenses this year and probably 8 that were flatly bad. Pitt was middling but not horrible. Our backup had the misfortune to face the three best defenses, so his performance probably looked worse than it really was.
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Our starter got injured early. If he were healthy, we don't need to win in OT. Yates is not a P5 QB
 
WracerX said:
Yates overcame a 2 TD deficit to give us a late lead. That loss wasn’t on him.

Sims was having an awful game. He had one good run and a turnover. Maybe he turns it around, maybe not.
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Sims got hurt. It was obvious early. He wasn't running well and seemed to have issues throwing.

If he were healthy, I don't think we have an issue. Of course, I can't prove that. He is just a physically superior QB when healthy. Need to go away from the Swiss Cheese OL for a nice brick wall.
 
BigDanT said:
How do you not just say Elevendy Gazillion if he wins the championship? If I were a super rich donor I would put it all on black and just tell my kids to learn how to make money.
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Elevandy Gazillion is the best öööö I’ve heard. Well played sir
 
18in32 said:
Don't you remember that the defense had to practice agains the 3O? It was why we were stuck with defenses ranked in the 40's all those years.

Makes you wonder... maybe practicing against the 3O is actually good for defenders...
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A 40’s defense and we may have been bowling this year.
 
Liberty said:
In case anyone was wondering why the rich guys offered up the money, well it’s basic economics & the math is not good For any option.

47340 was CPJ’s attendance last 5 years.

44599 was G*C*’s attendance 1st year. That’s despite having the mutt at home. This year was 37819, again odd number years are bigger attendance years because we have 55k mutt fans at our house.

He’s cost us roughly 9,500 fans per game already. I’ll be conservative and concede he only loses 5% next year taking us down to roughly 35, 900. We will have the lost 11,500 fans per game.

Let’s say revenue per fan seat is $75 (I believe it’s closer to $100 but could be more). That‘s a hair over $850k/game loss & at 6 games comes to a little more than $5M per year now. Let’s say he excels and wins 3 games per year from here on out & only loses about 5% additional per year. Well, that’s an extra $1M/ yr in additional lost ticket revenue each successive year we keep him.

If we fire him now it’s $13.8M. Let’s say we have to pay $4M/ year with a $250k/yr increase to take over the dumpster fire he’s created. In 4 years, that’s $18.5M over the 4 year period for a total of $32.3M. The lift from a new coach that’s not an imbecile probably brings back 3k fans or so in year 1, a fair amount over $1M/ yr in additional revenue. If a good coach reclaims 5% of our attendance annually through decent coaching, he gains $1M per year. Over 4 years we’ve only lost a new of $10M in revenue. Grand total is $42.3M

If we fire the imbecile next year, it costs us $3.3M for next season plus $7.2M buyout for $10.5M. However, he costs us $5M is lost revenue for a total of $15.5M. Then we owe a new coach $4.5M/yr (bigger dumpster fire to take over) with $500k/ yr increase. That’s $15M in salary. He’s now digging out from a $6M/yr deficit, so he misses on about $13M in revenue because more fans have left us. We have a grand total costs to the program of $43.5M.

It basically costs us $1M to get rid of this imbecile now. That’s it. We could raise that in our sleep. Or 1 phone call.

Hang onto him for another year and it’s $6.8M in salary plus $11M in lost revenue and a $4.8M buyout for a total of $22.6M. New coach is now 2 year at $10M, and he avoids $9M in lost revenue over 2 seasons. That’s $41.6M.

It basically saves us about $750k if we wait 2 years. Everyone clamoring about all the money we’re saving hasn’t really thought this through or is too close to the pipe. Retaining the imbecile is not a cost savings measure.

You substitute $100 per seat and the penalty to retain the imbecile skyrockets. It’s not hard to envision that as you’ve got long time, loyal fans giving up chairbacks. Those are not $450/yr seats ($75x6) they’re triple that.

We’re circling the drain financially & it’s a very expensive and dangerous move to retain the imbecile. IIWII. We the people do not have a vote.
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Can Brian Gregory coach football?
 
GoGATech said:
If we fire him now, he will make his full $23.1M contract (he is owed 100% of the full contract if fired within the first 4 years).

After 4 years, if he is fired, he is only owed $2.4M for each season left on his contract. Here are the scenarios:

Year​
Fire him now​
Fire after year 4​
1​
$3.0M​
$3.0M​
2​
$3.1M​
$3.1M​
3​
$3.2M​
$3.2M​
4​
$3.3M​
$3.3M​
5​
$3.4M​
$2.4M​
6​
$3.5M​
$2.4M​
7​
$3.6M​
$2.4M​
Total​
$23.1M​
$19.8M​

So right off the bat it's $3.3M difference, but if you fire him now, you still owe him for year 4 and will also have to pay another coach for year 4. So I would think we would be searching in that $3M range for a HC, so you would be looking at an extra $3M for this season so that would basically be saving $6.3M by waiting until after next season to fire him.
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Which is clear evidence that Stansbury needs to go to. Anyone who negotiates such a contract is derelict. If a coach is successful anytime you during the first three years you can add years, like FSU just did with Norvell. This is all pretty simple - we took a chance, it didn't work out, but due to this foolish contract, our program is one of the bottom feeders now in all of college football. I actually blame the AD more than the clown for giving him a long term contract when no one else was knocking on his door.
 
The Wasp said:
Which is clear evidence that Stansbury needs to go to. Anyone who negotiates such a contract is derelict. If a coach is successful anytime you during the first three years you can add years, like FSU just did with Norvell. This is all pretty simple - we took a chance, it didn't work out, but due to this foolish contract, our program is one of the bottom feeders now in all of college football. I actually blame the AD more than the clown for giving him a long term contract when no one else was knocking on his door.
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So you're working up that buyout. About time we had a real go getter finally putting his money where his mouth is
 
The Wasp said:
Which is clear evidence that Stansbury needs to go to. Anyone who negotiates such a contract is derelict. If a coach is successful anytime you during the first three years you can add years, like FSU just did with Norvell. This is all pretty simple - we took a chance, it didn't work out, but due to this foolish contract, our program is one of the bottom feeders now in all of college football. I actually blame the AD more than the clown for giving him a long term contract when no one else was knocking on his door.
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We basically guaranteed him 4 years. That is a reasonable contract when switching away from an unusual offense. We also banked money by paying our coordinators relatively little during the transition years.

That said, I don’t think anyone foresaw how poorly year 3 was going to be. But with a new OC and hopefully better performance out of the D with Collins taking a more active roll we don’t have to spend any money on a buyout.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
He was a gamble. A 1 year HC who had won 7 games as a HC FBS level. But we’re Georgia Tech. We’re not an NFL franchise disguised as a college.

If you’re TS and Georgia Tech, he fits 90% of the build: he’s a heck of a recruiter from the Atlanta area, knows all the high school coaches, and he has coached in the SEC, succeeded and been promoted everywhere he’s been. If he makes even average assistant coaching hires he’s going to go .500 by year 3.

it still makes no sense to me that we were only able to win nine games. We should have won at least twice that many.

But you still can’t name me one person you would’ve hired retrospectively that would’ve done better for sure.
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I can name you what ever I please. I now name you “one person you wouldn’t have hired”.

See how easy that was. You should have taken English in lieu of technical writing.
 
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