Catchall Deion Sanders Thread

Buzzilla said:
2022 Season Ticket sales were about 20K, Student passes were about 14K. That's 34K allotted tickets BEFORE Deion. (source: https://www.buffzone.com/2022/06/27/cu-buffs-pleased-with-season-ticket-renewal-rate/)

That means assuming your numbers of 50K capacity, there is a net difference from pre-Deion to post-Deion of about 16K in season ticket sales. That doesn't mean that all 16K would have not been sold if Deion wasn't the coach. There are a lot of sales made in small packages and for specific opponents. For example Colorado State, Nebraska and USC would have been big ticket sellers at home beyond the season ticket holders regardless of who the new coach was. Two of those are rivalries and the other one is a marque program.

But lets generously assume Deion added 10K in ticket sales that no other HC hire would have drawn in. Using your numbers of $100/ticket = $1M increase in gross ticket revenue per home game. 6 games x 1M = $6M. Not all of that is profit of course. There is a cost to running a major college football event seating 50K.

The ultimate net increase in revenue is MILES away from your back of the napkin math.

Additionally, we will never know what the increase in ticket sales would have been with any other hire that wasn't Deion. Pretty much any new hire with a pulse would have generated additional ticket sales and we'll never know how many or what the net difference would be with or without Deion.

While additional ticket sales, merch, etc. is all well and good and may certainly help pay for his first year, now that the shine has worn off, and the product on the field has been seen, we'll get a chance to see how the increase revenue holds up after a losing record in year one with Utah still to go.

There can be a big difference between 4-8 and 5-7 especially after the disaster against Wazzoo. That Utah game is important. If the Fighting Prime Times phone that one in and Utah walks over them as the spread would indicate they will, look out for a boat load of season ticket cancellations and a stock room full of Prime Time Colorado merchandise collecting dust.

We'll see.
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It's also not clear of Colorado can afford deion based on those sales figures. Presumably that would cover it, but the back of the napkin math has me worried.
 
gambler said:
He already turned it around, the only question is, how much better does it get for CU?
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How could you possibly believe this? Colorado has not beaten a single team with a winning record, and currently have a total of 4 wins, which is tied for the 2nd worst Buffs season of the past decade.

He has exactly one more win than GC3 managed in each of his seasons at GT. Please explain how this means he has “already turned it around.”
 
johncu said:
How could you possibly believe this? Colorado has not beaten a single team with a winning record, and currently have a total of 4 wins, which is tied for the 2nd worst Buffs season of the past decade.

He has exactly one more win than GC3 managed in each of his seasons at GT. Please explain how this means he has “already turned it around.”
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This isn't a comparison of CU and Tech. That is apples to oranges. My question is how could you not possibly believe this? Sanders takes a flailing program that wins 1 game last year, rolls in wins 4, sells out the entire season, gives CU more exposure than they have had since 1990 and flushes their cash reserves. That is a success this day and age of football.

I've read all the dissenting opinions and the question of how much is actually generated but it is more than they have had in a decade no questions asked. The money will lead to wins, it has for the rest of the country.

GC was a damn disaster, but none of you could disagree that if he had sold out the stadium regularly and sold all the merch, and generated all the cash that Sanders has, we wouldn't have as much disdain for him.

College football is different now, if you don't have the money, you probably aren't going to win. In the event you do win, if you don't make money doing it, you're not going to continue winning because your players are going somewhere else to get paid. This is what all you guys are missing or just don't want to acknowledge in this discussion about Deion.

Sure you want a coach who can motivate and knows the game and can inspire winning. In this landscape though, you really do need a salesman who knows how to hire and delegate the actual coaching while funding the coffers. The dream is both, but that is not a widespread combination of traits. Deion hates losing, and he can sell. If he figures out the coaching and recruiting then CU is set, but that is yet to be seen.
 
Whatever the result on the field is, Prime is raking it up in Georgia.
He flipped a 4-star WR late last year from Auburn, a kid from Thomas County Central, and today he got a commit from a 4-star kid out of Statesboro, who was supposed to be a big Georgia target.
Colorado's got 10 commits for 2024 and five of them are from Georgia, where they have never been a factor in recruiting previously.
 
gambler said:
This isn't a comparison of CU and Tech. That is apples to oranges. My question is how could you not possibly believe this? Sanders takes a flailing program that wins 1 game last year, rolls in wins 4, sells out the entire season, gives CU more exposure than they have had since 1990 and flushes their cash reserves. That is a success this day and age of football.

I've read all the dissenting opinions and the question of how much is actually generated but it is more than they have had in a decade no questions asked. The money will lead to wins, it has for the rest of the country.

GC was a damn disaster, but none of you could disagree that if he had sold out the stadium regularly and sold all the merch, and generated all the cash that Sanders has, we wouldn't have as much disdain for him.

College football is different now, if you don't have the money, you probably aren't going to win. In the event you do win, if you don't make money doing it, you're not going to continue winning because your players are going somewhere else to get paid. This is what all you guys are missing or just don't want to acknowledge in this discussion about Deion.

Sure you want a coach who can motivate and knows the game and can inspire winning. In this landscape though, you really do need a salesman who knows how to hire and delegate the actual coaching while funding the coffers. The dream is both, but that is not a widespread combination of traits. Deion hates losing, and he can sell. If he figures out the coaching and recruiting then CU is set, but that is yet to be seen.
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Colorado's wins per year since 2000: 3, 10, 9, 5, 8, 7, 2, 6, 5, 3, 5, 3, 1, 4, 2, 4, 10, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 1

That's an average of 4.82 wins per year. And that's being generous counting the 10, 9, 8 & 7 wins in 2001, 2002, 2004 & 2005, which were ~20 years ago.

You are trying to make an "improvement" from an outlier season of 1 win to 4 an extraordinary accomplishment, but Mike McIntyre took CU from 1 to 4 wins and eventually to 10 wins, before reverting to back-to-back 5 win seasons and getting fired in 2018. Deion will never get them to 10 wins and the CU donor base clearly won't keep him around if he doesn't get there as fast as McIntyre.

It's already been shown that the incremental butts in seats (and therefore incremental income vs. Deion's salary) isn't that large. CU has drawn decent (by Tech standards) crowds even with less than 5 wins per year average.

Your last two sentences are telling: Can you name a P5 coach who doesn't hate to lose? And then you admit Deion doesn't have coaching and recruiting figured out.

If salesmanship is all it takes, then there are probably plenty of people from other professions who can sell better than Deion and have no coaching or recruiting skills.
 
ee8384 said:
Colorado's wins per year since 2000: 3, 10, 9, 5, 8, 7, 2, 6, 5, 3, 5, 3, 1, 4, 2, 4, 10, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 1

That's an average of 4.82 wins per year. And that's being generous counting the 10, 9, 8 & 7 wins in 2001, 2002, 2004 & 2005, which were ~20 years ago.

You are trying to make an "improvement" from an outlier season of 1 win to 4 an extraordinary accomplishment, but Mike McIntyre took CU from 1 to 4 wins and eventually to 10 wins, before reverting to back-to-back 5 win seasons and getting fired in 2018. Deion will never get them to 10 wins and the CU donor base clearly won't keep him around if he doesn't get there as fast as McIntyre.

It's already been shown that the incremental butts in seats (and therefore incremental income vs. Deion's salary) isn't that large. CU has drawn decent (by Tech standards) crowds even with less than 5 wins per year average.

Your last two sentences are telling: Can you name a P5 coach who doesn't hate to lose? And then you admit Deion doesn't have coaching and recruiting figured out.

If salesmanship is all it takes, then there are probably plenty of people from other professions who can sell better than Deion and have no coaching or recruiting skills.
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Why are you guys always skipping the most impactful points in the post? It's like you're making arguments without rebutting the actual topic at hand.

Deion didn't come to CU in 2001, 2002, 2003....2022. He arrived in spring 2023, so since he set foot in the door he has won 4x as many games as the school did the year before. If you want to say that's easy, then why did the wins decline to the point they were 1-11? Because it's not easy and CU was completely in shambles.

The second point and most important is the $. I'm not going to look it up because I know it's not many if at all the number of games that CU sold out in the last 23 years ( I gave in because I know you guys are going to pick it apart so; " From 2006-22, only four of 95 home games were sold out.") They didn't sell out because Deion was winning, they sold out because Deion existed in the HC office.

I have no idea what this nonsense is about incremental sales or not generating as much selling out as regular seats last season etc. The numbers are readily out there. CU paid Deion 30 mil for 5 years. CU's ticket sales this year alone surpassed 30 million. I don't care if they only had 10 more people total in attendance than last year. You're forgetting that the tickets are going for 3x as much as they ever have been and that doesn't include any secondary market shenanigans. Deion's entire 5 years is paid for with ticket sales alone! Any other income as previously listed generated by him being there is just a bonus, again, for FIVE years.

McIntyre didn't ever sell $30 mil in tickets, He may have hardly sold that much in his tenure. I didn't think I would need to come and spell out all these elementary business concepts.

Deion will figure out the recruiting, they have to pay him first. Once the program starts filtering that cash to the other prospects like they do for the current 15 on NIL, the program will continue to get better. ( For reference Ohio state, FSU, Alabama have 60, 49, 71 players on NIL agreements respectively.)

You hating crackheads also refuse to acknowledge he was named HC in December 2022. He hasn't even been there a year yet, but then I go and look at everyone's post history and they're wanting to give coach clown another 2 years....... hypocritical and ridiculous all in one, that's why I always there is way too much estrogen around here.
 
gambler said:
Why are you guys always skipping the most impactful points in the post? It's like you're making arguments without rebutting the actual topic at hand.

Deion didn't come to CU in 2001, 2002, 2003....2022. He arrived in spring 2023, so since he set foot in the door he has won 4x as many games as the school did the year before. If you want to say that's easy, then why did the wins decline to the point they were 1-11? Because it's not easy and CU was completely in shambles.

The second point and most important is the $. I'm not going to look it up because I know it's not many if at all the number of games that CU sold out in the last 23 years ( I gave in because I know you guys are going to pick it apart so; " From 2006-22, only four of 95 home games were sold out.") They didn't sell out because Deion was winning, they sold out because Deion existed in the HC office.

I have no idea what this nonsense is about incremental sales or not generating as much selling out as regular seats last season etc. The numbers are readily out there. CU paid Deion 30 mil for 5 years. CU's ticket sales this year alone surpassed 30 million. I don't care if they only had 10 more people total in attendance than last year. You're forgetting that the tickets are going for 3x as much as they ever have been and that doesn't include any secondary market shenanigans. Deion's entire 5 years is paid for with ticket sales alone! Any other income as previously listed generated by him being there is just a bonus, again, for FIVE years.

McIntyre didn't ever sell $30 mil in tickets, He may have hardly sold that much in his tenure. I didn't think I would need to come and spell out all these elementary business concepts.

Deion will figure out the recruiting, they have to pay him first. Once the program starts filtering that cash to the other prospects like they do for the current 15 on NIL, the program will continue to get better. ( For reference Ohio state, FSU, Alabama have 60, 49, 71 players on NIL agreements respectively.)

You hating crackheads also refuse to acknowledge he was named HC in December 2022. He hasn't even been there a year yet, but then I go and look at everyone's post history and they're wanting to give coach clown another 2 years....... hypocritical and ridiculous all in one, that's why I always there is way too much estrogen around here.
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There is a lot of him having to figure öööö out in your post that you just seem to think is not that big of a deal.

And so what? He has won 4 this year and they won 1 last year. That is nowhere near any sort of amazing accomplishment.

Colorado looked like a Geoff coached team in their game last week. Absolute confusion. Quitting. Getting pushed around. Horrible.
They suck.
You're so ööööing weird.

And they are paying Deion now. WTF do you mean he will figure it out but "they have to pay him first"? Is he gonna take some correspondence courses on how to not suck at coaching if they just pay him more.
 
gambler said:
Why are you guys always skipping the most impactful points in the post? It's like you're making arguments without rebutting the actual topic at hand.

Deion didn't come to CU in 2001, 2002, 2003....2022. He arrived in spring 2023, so since he set foot in the door he has won 4x as many games as the school did the year before. If you want to say that's easy, then why did the wins decline to the point they were 1-11? Because it's not easy and CU was completely in shambles.

The second point and most important is the $. I'm not going to look it up because I know it's not many if at all the number of games that CU sold out in the last 23 years ( I gave in because I know you guys are going to pick it apart so; " From 2006-22, only four of 95 home games were sold out.") They didn't sell out because Deion was winning, they sold out because Deion existed in the HC office.

I have no idea what this nonsense is about incremental sales or not generating as much selling out as regular seats last season etc. The numbers are readily out there. CU paid Deion 30 mil for 5 years. CU's ticket sales this year alone surpassed 30 million. I don't care if they only had 10 more people total in attendance than last year. You're forgetting that the tickets are going for 3x as much as they ever have been and that doesn't include any secondary market shenanigans. Deion's entire 5 years is paid for with ticket sales alone! Any other income as previously listed generated by him being there is just a bonus, again, for FIVE years.

McIntyre didn't ever sell $30 mil in tickets, He may have hardly sold that much in his tenure. I didn't think I would need to come and spell out all these elementary business concepts.

Deion will figure out the recruiting, they have to pay him first. Once the program starts filtering that cash to the other prospects like they do for the current 15 on NIL, the program will continue to get better. ( For reference Ohio state, FSU, Alabama have 60, 49, 71 players on NIL agreements respectively.)

You hating crackheads also refuse to acknowledge he was named HC in December 2022. He hasn't even been there a year yet, but then I go and look at everyone's post history and they're wanting to give coach clown another 2 years....... hypocritical and ridiculous all in one, that's why I always there is way too much estrogen around here.
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It has only been 10 years since CU's last one win season. I don't recall shambles to 4 wins under McIntyre getting McIntyre anointed as Football Jesus.

The ticket math is posted further up the thread. Selling $30M of tickets isn't such a great accomplishment if the 5 year base has been selling $25M per year.
 
This thread is a lot of overreaction to media hype. I think Deion has proven he can be a good college football coach by recruiting talent and leading that talent to victory at Jackson State. I think he will do the same at Colorado. The PAC XII was tough this year and by and large the Buffaloes were a tough team. Most of their losses in OT or by a single score. Depending on what they get on the offensive line, they could be pegged around 7.5 wins in the Big XII next season. Improvement again. I think GT missed an opportunity in terms of generating non-alumni support and financial success, but it would’ve taken wholesale changes in culture and how we approach football. I like Brent Key and hope he’s successful. If he beats UGA this weekend I’ll write him a formal apology letter along with a gift card to Cane’s for saying we missed an opportunity to hire Deion.
 
GTCrew4b said:
This thread is a lot of overreaction to media hype. I think Deion has proven he can be a good college football coach by recruiting talent and leading that talent to victory at Jackson State. I think he will do the same at Colorado. The PAC XII was tough this year and by and large the Buffaloes were a tough team. Most of their losses in OT or by a single score. Depending on what they get on the offensive line, they could be pegged around 7.5 wins in the Big XII next season. Improvement again. I think GT missed an opportunity in terms of generating non-alumni support and financial success, but it would’ve taken wholesale changes in culture and how we approach football. I like Brent Key and hope he’s successful. If he beats UGA this weekend I’ll write him a formal apology letter along with a gift card to Cane’s for saying we missed an opportunity to hire Deion.
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There's a difference in a league being "tough" and getting boat raced by Washington State, looking disorganized and uncoached the entire game, and having your own son quit on you before half. He ABSOLUTELY quit the game on his dad. Every bit as much quit as Sims at GT. I'd be surprised to see Shedeur play for the Buffs again. I watched the entire game and that was a Collins-esque beat down by a lesser team than Notre Dame, UGAg, or Clemson.
 
JJacket said:
There's a difference in a league being "tough" and getting boat raced by Washington State, looking disorganized and uncoached the entire game, and having your own son quit on you before half. He ABSOLUTELY quit the game on his dad. Every bit as much quit as Sims at GT. I'd be surprised to see Shedeur play for the Buffs again. I watched the entire game and that was a Collins-esque beat down by a lesser team than Notre Dame, UGAg, or Clemson.
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The Washington State game was bad. I think the media whirlwind isn’t good for the players. It was my main fear if we did bring Deion here. I think ultimately it’s a good thing we avoided it, but I would’ve liked to have seen Bobby Dodd packed to the gills and rowdy which it would’ve been every single game he coached here. Deion Sanders coaching a team IN ATLANTA?
 
GTCrew4b said:
The Washington State game was bad. I think the media whirlwind isn’t good for the players. It was my main fear if we did bring Deion here. I think ultimately it’s a good thing we avoided it, but I would’ve liked to have seen Bobby Dodd packed to the gills and rowdy which it would’ve been every single game he coached here. Deion Sanders coaching a team IN ATLANTA?
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I’d rather see well coached, tough football with sustained success. I already got my fill of salesman type coaching pussyball.
 
gambler said:
You're forgetting that the tickets are going for 3x as much as they ever have been and that doesn't include any secondary market shenanigans.
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This is verifiably false. Took me 30 seconds on the Googles.
 
Deion has not been successful in his first season. There is no way to call 4 wins successful. He is all hype and self promotion. He's not exactly blowing it out of the water recruiting either.
 
Sanders is the name brand version of the store brand Goof. Both are more interested in being social media influencers promoting themselves, and also happen to be in charge of a football team.
 
dilleshaw said:
Deion has not been successful in his first season. There is no way to call 4 wins successful. He is all hype and self promotion. He's not exactly blowing it out of the water recruiting either.
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Next year's recruiting class is a major measuring stick for me on his success or failure
 
Dirty Jacket said:
Sanders is the name brand version of the store brand Goof. Both are more interested in being social media influencers promoting themselves, and also happen to be in charge of a football team.
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Like him wearing those ugly ööööing sunglasses for the entire first half of a night game earlier this season?
 
gt2690b said:
Next year's recruiting class is a major measuring stick for me on his success or failure
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Well he isn't exactly setting the world on fire. He does get to play in the ööööty Big12 remnants next season, so there's that.
 
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