Catchall Deion Sanders Thread

[Buzzilla]

Was Tech more talented or less talented in year 1 with CGC?

 

[andrew]

We were bad enough, according to our posters, that our coach got fired.

Yes. If we fired our coach because he had a bunch of future NFL players on the roster but he wasn't able to fully utilize that talent, I would be very upset about losing all of our players. Even the backups, because you could be a pretty damn good running back and you might still be sitting behind Tashard.

On the other hand, if we fired our coach because our roster was incredibly bad and was outclassed to the tune of eleven 20+ point losses, I'd be much less upset about losing most of our players. I really doubt that they had players like Dwyer sitting on the bench as backups.

 

[ibeeballin]

Those 5 are certainly "quality" players. They would get playing time at most schools they could transfer to. He's gonna need a lot more just like them or better. A LOT more. It's going to be a thin cupboard in year 1 and I'd be surprised if what they have so far and what they get before kicikoff moves the needle much. We'll see.

im not getting paid to list all 47 new enrollees and transfers. Those were just some off the top of my head

Also, Colorado has roughly 63 guys on scholarship with commits coming in daily.

They Just added another one

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[GoGATech]

If those leaving were underclassmen and about to replace starters who have used up eligibility, then you've lost a lot.

Would you have been OK losing Jon Dwyer after his freshman season? He was behind TC. How about Josh F'ing Nesbitt?

You missed the whole point of conversation. The sheer number of transfers likely IS a problem because they will be losing some of those underclassmen you speak of, but that's not what we were referring to. He was saying look at all the production that left, i.e. players that have been starting, had lots of playing time, tackles, yards, TDs, whatever. My point to that was that losing guys that were getting all the playing time isn't always a bad thing. All those guys getting all those stats made up the absolute worst P5 team.

 

[JJacket]

im not getting paid to list all 47 new enrollees and transfers. Those were just some off the top of my head

Also, Colorado has roughly 63 guys on scholarship with commits coming in daily.

They Just added another one

Omarion Cooper - Florida State Seminoles Defensive Back - ESPN

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21 tackles in two seasons at FSU.

 

[ibeeballin]

Was Tech more talented or less talented in year 1 with CGC?

Depends how you look at. I’ve said on numerous the biggest mistake Stansbury made was going public guaranteeing the scholarships and signees. If you’re going to rebuild, you need to go full rebuild. As horrible CGC was and as much he tried to reinvent the wheel, ADTS handicapped from Day 1.

Our OL literally did not know how to pass set. They had to be taught or retaught things that other players had 5+ yr head start on. Whether you deem that worst than having low ceiling players is you opinion.

 

[GoGATech]

Was Tech more talented or less talented in year 1 with CGC?

Depends on how you rate talent. If you just base it on your own subjective opinion, then it only means what you think it does. If you base it on calculated rankings from recruiting services, then here is your answer:

GT 247 Team Talent Composite by year

2015 - 49th
2016 - 50th
2017 - 54th
2018 - 50th
2019 - 45th <------CGC 1st year
2020 - 34th <------CGC 1st full recruiting cycle
2021 - 33rd
2022 - 30th

 

[ibeeballin]

21 tackles in two seasons at FSU.

When the narrative became you have to play immediately as underclassmen (which he did as true freshman)? I thought GT were about developing players


He has just as many INTs in 15 games as Zamari Walton had 5 seasons and y’all said he’s big loss

 

[JJacket]

When the narrative became you have to play immediately as underclassmen? I thought GT were about developing players


He has just as many INTs in 15 games as Zamari Walton had 5 seasons and y’all said he’s big loss

I never said Walton was a big loss. Not like he was Landry or Scott back there

 

[THWG247]

Trying to cobble together a new OL with zero starts together is a recipe for a freaking disaster in CO, this is going to be ugly on a scale rarely ever seen

 

[savbandjacket]

Things are never as good or as bad as they seem (unless Gef is your coach, and then it’s as bad or worse than it seems).

 

[juraitwaluzka]

Trying to cobble together a new OL with zero starts together is a recipe for a freaking disaster in CO, this is going to be ugly on a scale rarely ever seen

And then the actual problem with this whole Deion endeavor will emerge, one that people should know already but none of the proponents have addressed, much less admitted. And that is the other side of the ego coin. Sure, it's great now when he's giving animated passionate speeches and when he was winning, but once things get tough, then and only then will we see the most important part, not his coaching abilities but his leadership qualities. Everything is downstream from that. My guess is that it will go something like an even more hostile version of "they just don't want to see the progress".

As the head guy, when things are legit looking bleak with some results to show for it so it's not just speculation, will he take ownership or blame others? In this regard does he turn out to be far more Geoff Collins than Jocko Willink. Will be interesting to see.

 

[BrentwoodJacket]

Trying to cobble together a new OL with zero starts together is a recipe for a freaking disaster in CO, this is going to be ugly on a scale rarely ever seen

I doubt Deion will be happy when that OL gets his son blasted.

 

[Nehru Jacket]

And then the actual problem with this whole Deion endeavor will emerge, one that people should know already but none of the proponents have addressed, much less admitted. And that is the other side of the ego coin. Sure, it's great now when he's giving animated passionate speeches and when he was winning, but once things get tough, then and only then will we see the most important part, not his coaching abilities but his leadership qualities. Everything is downstream from that. My guess is that it will go something like an even more hostile version of "they just don't want to see the progress".

As the head guy, when things are legit looking bleak with some results to show for it so it's not just speculation, will he take ownership or blame others? In this regard does he turn out to be far more Geoff Collins than Jocko Willink. Will be interesting to see.

If it goes really bad this coming football season, Deion will give the speech of this team was 1-11 last year. And he will have a point.

 

[juraitwaluzka]

If it goes really bad this coming football season, Deion will give the speech of this team was 1-11 last year. And he will have a point.

Maybe you are right but I think you are vastly underestimating the size of his ego and the impact that will have. There is certainly plenty of evidence of his ego out there to draw a plausible conclusion from. We don't have enough tough leadership examples but we will likely have some soon enough.

Also, I don't think he will have as much of a point as you think. With the unprecedented amount of turnover, I don't think it's valid to say this team went 1-11 last year. For better or worse, these are going to be his guys. Saying those poor saps that were here last year went 1-11 doesn't resonate to anywhere near the same degree.

Now, if he goes out there and is at least average you can put this off, but if it goes terribly bad he will be under immense and probably unfair pressure, perhaps even unprecedented. How he responds to that is going to be interesting to watch.

 

[gtleviathan]

Maybe you are right but I think you are vastly underestimating the size of his ego and the impact that will have. There is certainly plenty of evidence of his ego out there to draw a plausible conclusion from. We don't have enough tough leadership examples but we will likely have some soon enough.

Also, I don't think he will have as much of a point as you think. With the unprecedented amount of turnover, I don't think it's valid to say this team went 1-11 last year. For better or worse, these are going to be his guys. Saying those poor saps that were here last year went 1-11 doesn't resonate to anywhere near the same degree.

Now, if he goes out there and is at least average you can put this off, but if it goes terribly bad he will be under immense and probably unfair pressure, perhaps even unprecedented. How he responds to that is going to be interesting to watch.

Deion has actively attracted every bit of the pressure he will endure. I’d have a hard time seeing it as “unfair.” It’s entertaining as hell, though, and that’s what he’s got going for him.

 

[aeromech]

Depends how you look at. I’ve said on numerous the biggest mistake Stansbury made was going public guaranteeing the scholarships and signees. If you’re going to rebuild, you need to go full rebuild. As horrible CGC was and as much he tried to reinvent the wheel, ADTS handicapped from Day 1.

Our OL literally did not know how to pass set. They had to be taught or retaught things that other players had 5+ yr head start on. Whether you deem that worst than having low ceiling players is you opinion.

FWIW the Colorado AD promised the players and recruits that their scholarships and scholarship offers would be honored too. There was big stink about it a few months ago.

It will be interesting to see how the Colorado OL performs this year. Sounds like they are basically gathering a bunch of guys who haven't played together before, and may not even know each other.

 

[aeromech]

When the narrative became you have to play immediately as underclassmen (which he did as true freshman)? I thought GT were about developing players


He has just as many INTs in 15 games as Zamari Walton had 5 seasons and y’all said he’s big loss

These guys Deion is bringing in aren't all homerun hitters either though. Take Smoke for example, last season he appeared in 12 games for UK and had 1 TD, in his 5th season. It's not like theses guys would be starting at Bama or UGA or even Clemson.

 

[Buzzilla]

By position, here is the list of players coming in and the players that jumped off the Prime Time train to play elsewhere.

Colorado football offseason transfer portal tracker

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Almost complete player turnover at every position. And they basically lost all of spring practice with 30+ players leaving AFTER the spring game. How many of the new transfers coming in have even enrolled or practiced yet? And they still have a ton of open spots to fill.

It's May. 1st game is September 2. 5 months from now.

Good luck with that.

 

[ibeeballin]

FWIW the Colorado AD promised the players and recruits that their scholarships and scholarship offers would be honored too. There was big stink about it a few months ago.

It will be interesting to see how the Colorado OL performs this year. Sounds like they are basically gathering a bunch of guys who haven't played together before, and may not even know each other.

Yeah, i saw that about any guy who goes into the portal and do not like their options can basically be medicaled and finish their degree at no cost.

As we’ve witnessed ourselves, the OL will make or break their season. It appears the portal OL they have taken are from suptempo offenses similar to what Sean Lewis ran at Kent St so maybe that will ease the transition some