Catchall FSU Gone/Snubbed/White Knighting Thread

JJacket said:
Only in actuality, Nick Saban was a black female, and it wasn't a flight to Miami, it was a bus to Macon, and you asked about fun things to do in Bibb County.
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The best thing to do in Macon is drive back and forth over the Otis Redding bridge.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
I wouldn’t expect any coach (Saban or otherwise) to crap on anyone else in their own biz to a random person on a flight who’ll just run to social medial to put them on blast. So I take nothing away from that.
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I hear you, except it wasn’t generic coach speak. It was legitimately good things that came across like he genuinely liked the guy and thought well of him. I guess there to be expected since he hired him at some point.
 
gtphd said:
I hear you, except it wasn’t generic coach speak. It was legitimately good things that came across like he genuinely liked the guy and thought well of him. I guess there to be expected since he hired him at some point.
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Snake oil salesman make a living duping everyone, even the GOAT. Glad he’s no longer physically our problem and glad we found a guy who was able to wipe most of his stain off of our program relatively quickly.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
Snake oil salesman make a living duping everyone, even the GOAT. Glad he’s no longer physically our problem and glad we found a guy who was able to wipe most of his stain off of our program relatively quickly.
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If Penn State is rehabilitated from coaches ööööing kids in the shower our stain of hiring a silly man should be utterly and completely wiped clean.
 
Top College Football Rankings
2023 College Football Final Regular Season Polls (Dec. 3)
AP PollCoaches PollBCS PollCFP Rankings
1. Michigan1. Michigan1. Michigan1. Michigan
2. Washington2. Washington2. Washington2. Washington
3. Texas3. Florida State3. Alabama3. Texas
4. Florida State4. Texas4. Florida State4. Alabama
5. Alabama4. Alabama5. Texas5. Florida State
6. Georgia6. Georgia6. Georgia6. Georgia
7. Ohio State7. Ohio State7. Ohio State7. Ohio State
8. Oregon8. Oregon8. Oregon8. Oregon
9. Missouri9. Missouri9. Penn State9. Missouri
10. Penn State10. Penn State10. Missouri10. Penn State


OBSERVATIONS:


  • All four of these ranking systems are in agreement that Michigan is #1 and Washington is #2.
  • The idea that Georgia was snubbed has no support here - the Bulldogs are #6 in all four rankings.
  • These four even agree that Ohio State is #7 and Oregon is #8, and there is only one (the BCS) which puts Penn State at #9 instead of Missouri.
  • The dispute centers around #3, #4, and #5.


The Human Polls (AP and Coaches)
The sportswriters ranked them Texas, FSU, and Alabama, while the coaches went with the undefeated FSU first, then Texas who won head-to-head, then Alabama. Both, however, agree that Alabama should be 5th -- because of losing to Texas at home (and, indeed, struggling in some other games), the Tide "deserve" to be ranked behind the other two -- and relatively unbiased humans can see that.

The BCS / Computers
One thing about the BCS throughout its controversial reign -- it has always loved it some SEC. So, it should be no surprise that the BCS ranked Alabama first. Even so, it put FSU ahead of Texas. The BCS ranking system was not particularly impressed with the Texas Longhorns, dropping them to 5th.

The CFP Selection Committee
This is the smallest, least-qualified group of the four -- but also the only one that is "official". It's also the only ranking that had Florida State behind both Alabama and Texas.

Average Ranking
If we average the rank given to Texas, Florida State, and Alabama from all four of these systems, we would get:
  • Texas 4.0
  • Florida St 4.0
  • Alabama 4.3
If we compare the CFP to the other three to see how far the committee deviated, we get:
  • Texas ranked 1.3 spots higher
  • Florida State 1.3 spots lower
  • Alabama 0.3 spots higher

Other / Computer Rankings
If we dive deeper into computer rankings, things get even more interesting...

RPIF+FPIMassey Comp
1. Michigan1. Michigan1. Michigan1. Michigan
2. Georgia2. Oregon2. Ohio State2. Washington
3. Alabama3. Georgia3. Penn State3. Texas
4. Florida St4. Ohio State4. Alabama4. Ohio State
5. Washington5. Penn State5. Georgia5. Alabama
6. Ohio St6. Texas6. Oregon6. Georgia
7. Texas7. Alabama7. Texas7. Florida State
8. Oregon8. Florida State8. Oklahoma8. Oregon
9. Missouri9. LSU9. LSU9. Penn State
10. Penn St.10. Notre Dame10. Notre Dame10. Oklahoma

Pure RPI ranks Alabama 3rd and Florida State 4th. It also kicks Washington out of the top four, and knocks Texas all the way down to 7th, while moving Georgia up to #2.

F+, which is described as a combination of FEI and SP+, kicks all three of Texas/Alabama/FSU out of the top four in favor of Georgia and Ohio State.

FPI, which is the tool ESPN favors, has Alabama #4 behind a trio of Big Ten teams(!). This method keeps Michigan at #1, drops Texas to 7th, and both Washington (#13) and Florida State (#11) are completely out of the top 10! Yeah, ESPN is way out in left field on this one...

Finally, the Massey Composite of 94 different ranking systems - some computer, some human - matches the CFP for the top three, but then slots Ohio State at #4 instead of Alabama, which drops to #5. This composite average also drops Florida State to #7.

BOTTOM LINE:
What do we take away from all this? A few things:

The so-called "advanced" metrics systems like F+, Massey, and FPI in particular, do not like Florida State for some reason. Remember, none of those take the Travis injury into account -- this is all based on results.

That said, I much prefer the straight-forward simplicity of the RPI, which has FSU at #4. The BCS, which served college football fairly well for a decade and a half, also had the Seminoles in the top four, as did both of the most credible human polls.

There will always be some controversy no matter which method is used, but I think at the end of the day Florida State should have been included in the top four.

I'm very concerned about ESPN's reliance on FPI, however, which had neither FSU nor Washington in the top 10. This is so far from every other ranking as to call into question the validity of the FPI -- and the validity of ESPN's commentary on the subject, too.

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FSU has been quite publicly recruiting other transfer QB so we felt it was time to move on.

LOL
 
gtfan247365 said:
Not sure this is the correct thread, but looks like FSU will be minus rodemaker for their bowl.

www.tomahawknation.com

Report: FSU quarterback Tate Rodemaker plans to enter transfer portal, skip Orange Bowl

The Seminoles will be severely undermanned against Georgia as quarterback plans to enter the transfer portal.
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Playing in the OB probably would have been the pinnacle moment in his college career. Now he cowards out, for what? So he can play 12 games at Valdosta state next year?

FSU should formally quit given their entire team has thrown in the towel already.
 
The Champ said:
Playing in the OB probably would have been the pinnacle moment in his college career. Now he cowards out, for what? So he can play 12 games at Valdosta state next year?

FSU should formally quit given their entire team has thrown in the towel already.
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The culture at FSU must suck if so many players can just walk away.
 
The Champ said:
Playing in the OB probably would have been the pinnacle moment in his college career. Now he cowards out, for what? So he can play 12 games at Valdosta state next year?

FSU should formally quit given their entire team has thrown in the towel already.
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Honestly, they really should at this point. The committee told them that what they do on the field is unimportant and they seem to have internalized that message.
 
Posted by Jim Williams on Oct 13, 2023-- ACC to except no less than 250M from FSU

 
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