Coaching Question for the Board...

MsTechAnalysis · Jul 9, 2003

Originally posted by Wrecked:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BarrelORum:

1.) do you think Gailey should be given another year to coach based on last year?
2.) If we fired Chan after last season, What Ramifications IF ANY would the Tech program of had to endure because of that decision??

Let's say we play all our opponets tough this year and we come out with a 6-6 record. Will you support Gailey's firing and if so, do you think there are any ramifications to his firing??

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I don't think Chan is horrible but I will play your little game.

1. Yes, based on last year, he should have been given this year.
2. This next one is harder because firing him would entail hiring someone else. If we had fired Gailey and hired Steve Spurrier after one season, then it is a good decision. There are really too many variables at play with this question.

Also, if you are going to say that the ramifications for Tech are bad for firing a coach after one mediocre season because it sends the wrong message that we don't give a coach time and it adversely affects who we can hire as a coach, I say that is hogwash. Coaches know this is a business and they are hired to be fired. Ask Jim Donnan, and UGA turned out alright. What were the ramifications for forcing a legendary basketball coach to resign midseason? None, we hired a competent if not outstanding coach.

If Chan's detractors don't like him that is fine. You don't have to like the coach to support the team. Don't confuse the two.

Finally if we go 6-6 and play tough, I think Chan survives (as he should) but I expect that the big donors who don't waste their time on message boards will not be pleased. He is going to be compared to the other coaches around the country who had outstanding second seasons and a .500 mark would really raise some questions.<hr /></blockquote>Wrecked: Couldn't agree with you more!

BarrelORum · Jul 9, 2003

Originally posted by Wrecked:
Also, if you are going to say that the ramifications for Tech are bad for firing a coach after one mediocre season because it sends the wrong message that we don't give a coach time and it adversely affects who we can hire as a coach, I say that is hogwash. Coaches know this is a business and they are hired to be fired. Ask Jim Donnan, and UGA turned out alright. What were the ramifications for forcing a legendary basketball coach to resign midseason? None, we hired a competent if not outstanding coach.

If Chan's detractors don't like him that is fine. You don't have to like the coach to support the team. Don't confuse the two.

Finally if we go 6-6 and play tough, I think Chan survives (as he should) but I expect that the big donors who don't waste their time on message boards will not be pleased. He is going to be compared to the other coaches around the country who had outstanding second seasons and a .500 mark would really raise some questions.[/QB]

First off you win the BS award for that first paragraph.

Donnan WAS given more than 1 season. What did he have 4? The excuse UGA used to fire Donnan had nothing to do with his coaching. IT had to do with the apparent lack of control over the football program. There were drug issues etc. I can live with that.

Guess what Wrecked... We don't have those issues! It's not NEARLY the same thing. The coaching vacancy we would have if we did let Gailey go now could only be filled by a smaller pool of people, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO WOULD NOT WANT THE JOB FOR OUR LACK OF TOLERANCE!! Believe it!! That's a fact.

Maybe we get lucky and get a great coach from the smaller amount of candidates. Maybe we don't and we further damage the state of continuity in our football program.

You basketball coach example is moot. We have no idea as to the hiring process of the coach. Yes, we turned out fine so it seems, but maybe there were coaches who turned their backs on an interview because of what we did. We really won't ever know. The real point is, when we fire coaches, it better look like we are doing the right thing, and letting Gailey go after one season does not look right AT ALL.

As far as your statement on not liking the coach, does not mean you don't like the team. I agree with you there. BUT, if you aren't willing to be fair and tolerant towards a coach because you don't like his coaching THEN THAT IS DESTRUCTIVE towards the team.

As far as your last paragraph is concerned, I couldn't agree with you more.

BarrelORum · Jul 9, 2003

MSTA, if you post stupid things. I'm going to say their stupid. And over time if you seem like an idiot for what you posted, I'm going to call you an idiot. That is the way I work. Ask people over at the Hive. A spade is a spade and I'll call it a spade everytime.

people have always told me that "You have to respect other people and their opinions". Bullshit. If respect is something earned by what you post on a message board then our society is in trouble. I think it's humorous at best that people can say a coach sucks, has no leadership, etc. etc. and as soon as someone else calls them a moron for thinking that they get offended.

Maybe if I ever met you around campus pre-game, we would love one another's conversation. Maybe then I would come to respect who you are. Since this is a two dimensional message board, excuse me if I don't respect ANYTHING you say. you certainly cannot show some respect to our coach, so why should I show you an ounce in return??

You have refused time and again to address the simple Facts and arguments presented in front of you. My statements above pointed this out as you YET AGAIN avoided Ahso's point that he was making.

I did not call you a moron... what I did say is that your logic in your posts borders on being moronic because you refuse to address the argument each and everytime. Guess what.. it is moronic. You argue like a 7 year old.

So excuse me if I think you don't know crap about GT, our football program, or anything else for that matter. You haven't exactly sold me on a damn thing you've said on this board, and I'm sure I am not the only one who thinks that.

-BOR

BarrelORum · Jul 9, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
Who are the posters that dislike him as a person? Do you know them - where are your facts???????????????????????????????????????????
Where are the posts that say that? There are none! You need to stop spinning. This IS ALL ABOUT COACHING AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANYTHING ELSE!

He's the coach - it's his coaching and it's that simple! Nice man, can't coach. I have not seen one poster say anything about the person he is, quite the contrary. Some have mentioned his religous beliefs and didn't think that was saying he wasn't a nice man - just that it needed to be kept out of the 'coaching job'.

Don't denegrade those who don't like his coaching by saying they don't like the man. Bill Curry was a very nice man - couldn't coach. That's all this is about. Personalities can stink, the question is, can you coach???? It's so plain and simple that the defenders of this coach are trying to make it much more, IT'S NOT!

MSTA, what the hell are you talking about??

Geeze, go back and read what the hell he wrote for God's sake. Let's not turn this thing into something it quite simply isn't. All he was saying is Gailey supporters support his RIGHT to coach another year if not two. It's not like we're fans of his coaching. I'm not convinced yet that he is our coach. But WE are certainly not convinced that he is NOT our coach either.

The Gailey Bashers cannot understand this. That is why it is EASY to infer that they must just dislike him overall.

There is nothing more to it than that. GET IT??? I swear, your logic in most of these threads borders on moronic.<hr /></blockquote>The fact that you take the time to "name call" is a disgrace to this board! You seem to have found an avenue to bring your name calling posts! I may not like the coach but I will NEVER come on here and write the crap you've been spewing since you got here about others who join the debate!

Moron must be something you know about - doesn't surprise me![/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Once again, you avoid the point being made right in front of your face. Jeeze... kind of moronic isn't it?
Maybe if people would listen we wouldn't have these arguements that seem like they are going in circles.
Is it really that hard?

statelinejacket · Jul 9, 2003

Originally posted by ahsoisee:
TheJacket, look at your mail.

Statelinejacket, I think Gailey deserves this year because all coaches should deserve another year in his circumstances.

He was 7-6, and he did have some staff problems needing some adjustments, and, Personally, I feel very confident there were some football players who laid down on him.

Does that seem reasonable?

By the way, I have no disagreement with the remainder of your post.

Father Time

Ahso: Ok now, correct me if I am wrong. But in your opinion Gailey is working hard to correct the mistakes he made last year. Therefore, yes he is earning in all respects another season on the Tech sideline. Nowhere is he given the right to another year. He is given nothing with the exception of the benefit of doubt in some instances that involve O'Brien and D.Braine. My point is this is job but also a privledge to have. You can't mix rights with privledges.

MsTechAnalysis · Jul 9, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
Who are the posters that dislike him as a person? Do you know them - where are your facts???????????????????????????????????????????
Where are the posts that say that? There are none! You need to stop spinning. This IS ALL ABOUT COACHING AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANYTHING ELSE!

He's the coach - it's his coaching and it's that simple! Nice man, can't coach. I have not seen one poster say anything about the person he is, quite the contrary. Some have mentioned his religous beliefs and didn't think that was saying he wasn't a nice man - just that it needed to be kept out of the 'coaching job'.

Don't denegrade those who don't like his coaching by saying they don't like the man. Bill Curry was a very nice man - couldn't coach. That's all this is about. Personalities can stink, the question is, can you coach???? It's so plain and simple that the defenders of this coach are trying to make it much more, IT'S NOT!

MSTA, what the hell are you talking about??

Geeze, go back and read what the hell he wrote for God's sake. Let's not turn this thing into something it quite simply isn't. All he was saying is Gailey supporters support his RIGHT to coach another year if not two. It's not like we're fans of his coaching. I'm not convinced yet that he is our coach. But WE are certainly not convinced that he is NOT our coach either.

The Gailey Bashers cannot understand this. That is why it is EASY to infer that they must just dislike him overall.

There is nothing more to it than that. GET IT??? I swear, your logic in most of these threads borders on moronic.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>What are you reading? He wrote we personally did not like him - who knows him personally, I don't. I responded to this post as such! If you're going to debate read first! My answer was to that statement. There have been no post about disliking him personally and it was never said by any of us who don't like him as the coach!

BarrelORum · Jul 9, 2003

Stateline, I agree with what you are saying. I wasn't trying to infer that you suggested firing Coach Gailey. I was just trying to turn the question you posed to Ahso around and pose the opposite back to you.

Obviously the Tech head coaching job is a privilege. i don't disagree with you. and he has to earn that privilege. HOWEVER, at the sametime, we have to be tolerant enough of the coach to allow him to create a good product.

It's not a one way street, it's a two way street.

Wrecked · Jul 9, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />

First off you win the BS award for that first paragraph.

Donnan WAS given more than 1 season. What did he have 4? The excuse UGA used to fire Donnan had nothing to do with his coaching. IT had to do with the apparent lack of control over the football program. There were drug issues etc. I can live with that.

Guess what Wrecked... We don't have those issues! It's not NEARLY the same thing. The coaching vacancy we would have if we did let Gailey go now could only be filled by a smaller pool of people, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO WOULD NOT WANT THE JOB FOR OUR LACK OF TOLERANCE!! Believe it!! That's a fact.

Maybe we get lucky and get a great coach from the smaller amount of candidates. Maybe we don't and we further damage the state of continuity in our football program.

You basketball coach example is moot. We have no idea as to the hiring process of the coach. Yes, we turned out fine so it seems, but maybe there were coaches who turned their backs on an interview because of what we did. We really won't ever know. The real point is, when we fire coaches, it better look like we are doing the right thing, and letting Gailey go after one season does not look right AT ALL.

As far as your statement on not liking the coach, does not mean you don't like the team. I agree with you there. BUT, if you aren't willing to be fair and tolerant towards a coach because you don't like his coaching THEN THAT IS DESTRUCTIVE towards the team.

As far as your last paragraph is concerned, I couldn't agree with you more.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Damn I only get a BS award, I was shooting for a moronic argument.

Sure there are coaches that would not want to coach here if they think that we somehow lack tolerance for not winning. If that is the case, fine I would not want them anyway. There are also coaches that would not to want to coach here because of our curriculum or they don't want to have an idiot for a boss. I am not sure that our "tolerance" should be a consideration for keeping our current coach.

I was only using Donnan as an example (we could throw examples out all day) but since you brought up a lack of control, some would argue that having 10 players fail out and some players quitting on the field as a lack of control as well.

My point is that for some reason Gailey does not give MS Tech a warm and fuzzy feeling with the way he handles our program. That is fine, I (like yourself, and it seems the majority of Tech fans) am not sure he is a fit here either. She never said she would not buy tickets, tailgate or not support the team because of it. I just don't understand why you as an adult have to resort to name calling and abuse when you are presenting your point of view. We all want the samething here.

statelinejacket · Jul 9, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
Stateline, I agree with what you are saying. I wasn't trying to infer that you suggested firing Coach Gailey. I was just trying to turn the question you posed to Ahso around and pose the opposite back to you.

Obviously the Tech head coaching job is a privilege. i don't disagree with you. and he has to earn that privilege. HOWEVER, at the sametime, we have to be tolerant enough of the coach to allow him to create a good product.

It's not a one way street, it's a two way street.

Obviously. That is why I said mistakes will be made off the field as well as on the sideline, just don't repeat them over and over.

BarrelORum · Jul 9, 2003

MSTA, you are extremely frustrating sometimes, but that's alright.

Let's look at this again from the top...

The point Ahso made was not whether or not you have a personal dislike for Gailey. no one cares. That's your business. Are we clear on that?

What Ahso said was,
"Tell me where you find this idea about Hard Core Gailey Supporters? Most every post I see defending Gailey is not the coach himself but his right to have at least this year and maybe another to turn the program around..... ... Most of these posters are just trying to be fair and support his efforts and Tech football."

I left out the personal dislike comment because that was BESIDE the point. Is it possible to comprehend that much?

So, like I said you were completely avoiding his POINT. you completely avoided the arguement in general. You either AGREE with Ahso that Tech fans need to be fair, or you don't. Your personal dislike, IF YOU HAVE ANY AT ALL, WAS NEVER the issue.

Got it?

And you wonder why I thought your post was moronic? Can I spell it out any better?

Don't you ever wonder why you guys sit here and argue the same things over and over? It's because nobody answers the damn questions posed to them.

BarrelORum · Jul 9, 2003

Wrecked, I resort to name calling only when the shoe fits.

MSTA has said that she inherently "knows" that Gailey will be a bad coach.
MSTA has said we our in "damage control" and need to do something now instead of wait.
MSTA has not backed up many of her arguements that have brought her to her all knowing conclusions with any solid facts other than a small sample size of "the last 3 games".

MSTA has repeatedly made strong statements on this board that she not think, SHE "KNOWS" Gailey is a bad coach and is going to run us into the ground. Those are strong statements. Furthermore she has avoided solid facts and evidence presented to her that don't necessarily say Gailey is a Good coach, but do say THAT IT IS JUST TOO EARLY TO TELL. She has refuted these arguements with Absolutely NOTHING.

So forgive me if i don't respect her opinions, her arguements, and in general think that her whole damn thought process is WACKED! Like I said, the shoe fits.

ahsoisee · Jul 10, 2003

Statelinejacket, yes Gailey earned the right to have this year as a chance to succeed. The first reason is his contract which calls for three years.

The second reason is the record. A record of 7-6 in your first year merits you the right for a second year.

It really is not a privilege. He and Tech have a legal binding contract.

The Jacket · Jul 10, 2003

I responded Ahso.

And I echo the bulk of, if not all of what Barrel and Ahso have said.

ahsoisee · Jul 10, 2003

MsTA, Your Question:

Who are the posters that dislike him as a person? Do you know them - where are your facts???????????????????????????????????????????
Where are the posts that say that? There are none! You need to stop spinning. This IS ALL ABOUT COACHING AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANYTHING ELSE!

Now I will post some of your previous posts. I admit you did not say the word person, but you did make some strong statements.

"MY DISAPPOINT WAS CHAN IS NOT WHO I HAD ON MY LIST"

"Lewis and Chan were not MY TWO!!"

"Thank God people like you aren't in charge - we'd always have CHANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"It makes no difference to me if you like him; it makes more of a difference to me that I DON'T!"

"I had many reservations about him before he coached."

"I was the one who said I didn't like the hire before he coached a down ... I thought GT could do better and I had my reasons"

"Tech: I would have NO PROBLEM DOING THIS. I've tried to get an appointment in the recent past, I was told to go to the Associate AD - that's not who I wanted to talk to or express my opinions to. I got the run around and I was only (1) person. I would welcome it and going in MASS!!" (Oops, I should not have included this qoute in this list/ahsoisee.)

"I would have called for my priest to the rescue
I don't expect now or in the future that we would EVER agree on Chan Gailey!" (Oops, I should not have included this one either/ahsoisee.)

"I am not a fan of this coach and I wasn't when he was hired."

"Admit your mistake and remember those it has affected and make it right now! Don't wait to see what he can do ... we've seen and enough of that already."

Father Time

**DONOTDELETE** · Jul 10, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
Wrecked, I resort to name calling only when the shoe fits.

MSTA has said that she inherently "knows" that Gailey will be a bad coach.
MSTA has said we our in "damage control" and need to do something now instead of wait.
MSTA has not backed up many of her arguements that have brought her to her all knowing conclusions with any solid facts other than a small sample size of "the last 3 games".

MSTA has repeatedly made strong statements on this board that she not think, SHE "KNOWS" Gailey is a bad coach and is going to run us into the ground. Those are strong statements. Furthermore she has avoided solid facts and evidence presented to her that don't necessarily say Gailey is a Good coach, but do say THAT IT IS JUST TOO EARLY TO TELL. She has refuted these arguements with Absolutely NOTHING.

So forgive me if i don't respect her opinions, her arguements, and in general think that her whole damn thought process is WACKED! Like I said, the shoe fits.

Ever hear of something called "Woman's Intuition", bore? It's deadly... Go tell your wife or girlfriend that there's no such thing as a "woman's intuition"... then ask yourself, "Do You Feel Lucky"?... Well do ya.... punk??

GTTerrific · Jul 10, 2003

Originally posted by BeeBad:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BarrelORum:
Wrecked, I resort to name calling only when the shoe fits.

MSTA has said that she inherently "knows" that Gailey will be a bad coach.
MSTA has said we our in "damage control" and need to do something now instead of wait.
MSTA has not backed up many of her arguements that have brought her to her all knowing conclusions with any solid facts other than a small sample size of "the last 3 games".

MSTA has repeatedly made strong statements on this board that she not think, SHE "KNOWS" Gailey is a bad coach and is going to run us into the ground. Those are strong statements. Furthermore she has avoided solid facts and evidence presented to her that don't necessarily say Gailey is a Good coach, but do say THAT IT IS JUST TOO EARLY TO TELL. She has refuted these arguements with Absolutely NOTHING.

So forgive me if i don't respect her opinions, her arguements, and in general think that her whole damn thought process is WACKED! Like I said, the shoe fits.

Ever hear of something called "Woman's Intuition", bore? It's deadly... Go tell your wife or girlfriend that there's no such thing as a "woman's intuition"... then ask yourself, "Do You Feel Lucky"?... Well do ya..... punk??<hr /></blockquote>So, is this that humor you were talking about BB?

You've got to be kidding me.

**DONOTDELETE** · Jul 10, 2003

Bore can pound a very nice lady... and you say nothing to him, but you ride me, GTT.. explain that.. Like I said to you in chat, long as someone agrees with a person's perspective, everyone is cool with that individual.. if there is someone you disagree with, then there's a prob... right? I've never seen you criticize any FOCers even when they straddle the line... or go over it...

GTTerrific · Jul 10, 2003

Originally posted by BeeBad:
Bore can pound a very nice lady... and you say nothing to him, but you ride me, GTT.. explain that.. Like I said to you in chat, long as someone agrees with a person's perspective, everyone is cool with that individual.. if there is someone you disagree with, then there's a prob... right? I've never seen you criticize any FOCers even when they straddle the line... or go over it...

You didn't answer my question. Was this some of your humor for StingTalk?

GTTerrific · Jul 10, 2003

I just don't understand beebad's humor.

BTW, love ya beebad. Enjoyed chat tonight.

Man, I'm ready for GT to line up and play some football.

Go Jackets!

**DONOTDELETE** · Jul 10, 2003

Originally posted by GTTerrific:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BeeBad:
Bore can pound a very nice lady... and you say nothing to him, but you ride me, GTT.. explain that.. Like I said to you in chat, long as someone agrees with a person's perspective, everyone is cool with that individual.. if there is someone you disagree with, then there's a prob.. right? I've never seen you criticize any FOCers even when they straddle the line... or go over it...

You didn't answer my question. Was this some of your humor for StingTalk?<hr /></blockquote>No it wasn't... Now answer my question...

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