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GTWannaBee

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Because by definition college football players are not allowed to collect money. They are rewarded with a scholarship and an education. That’s the “college” part of it. Openly paying college football players has never occurred. Research SMU. Ask Jeremy Pruitt what happens when you do that. They were made an example of what happens when such infractions occur.
What definition are you pulling this from? Maybe by tradition, but certainly not by definition.
 

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Man, y’all are some depressing dudes. Nothing has really changed. We’ve gone from an era where sports editors picked national champs based on back door arm twisting and regional bias to now an invited only 4 team party with a bouncer (ESPN) at the door. I’ve been arguing about this since I was 10 years old and asked the obvious question on New Year’s Day of why isn’t the #1 team playing the #2 team? Why are we watching #1 play #11 and #2 playing #16 and then a day later being a shown a map of where the AP votes for each team came from. It’s always been a corrupt joke. Today is no different so I don’t understand the angst now. Y’all do realize we were 1 coach away from switching his vote to no 1990 Natty. And we were clearly the best team. But we had no media beholden to us. The west was all Colorado and the southeast media didn’t want anymore competition to their schools so we were on our own and lost the AP. An expanded playoff (while not perfect) is the only way to ensure the little guy gets an invite. Take Wake or Pitt this year. They would have at least had a shot to prove themselves like hopefully we will in the near future.
It's a point well taken, but I think the money aspect is what has changed. I agree that it's always been a corrupt joke but now the corruption is just flagrant and is being celebrated with who has the most money to pay for recruits (turns out it's TAMU this year). Or like I said in my first post, players using the transfer portal to basically auction themselves off. And with TV contracts becoming crazier and crazier with the SEC having an incredibly lucrative deal, it's only continuing to drive a wedge between the haves (read: SEC + Clemson, ND, Michigan & OSU) and have nots.

Like you said, the corruption has always been there, but with it on full display now, this just feels different than the past. Personally, for me it was when OU and TX left the Big XII and joined the SEC. I don't know why that event was the catalyst with all the other changes going on in the CFB landscape, but for whatever reason, that move, of all the things that have happened (transfer portal, NIL etc.), started to kill most of my interest in CFB. And that's saying something considering how passionate I once was.
 

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Man, y’all are some depressing dudes. Nothing has really changed. We’ve gone from an era where sports editors picked national champs based on back door arm twisting and regional bias to now an invited only 4 team party with a bouncer (ESPN) at the door. I’ve been arguing about this since I was 10 years old and asked the obvious question on New Year’s Day of why isn’t the #1 team playing the #2 team? Why are we watching #1 play #11 and #2 playing #16 and then a day later being a shown a map of where the AP votes for each team came from. It’s always been a corrupt joke. Today is no different so I don’t understand the angst now. Y’all do realize we were 1 coach away from switching his vote to no 1990 Natty. And we were clearly the best team. But we had no media beholden to us. The west was all Colorado and the southeast media didn’t want anymore competition to their schools so we were on our own and lost the AP. An expanded playoff (while not perfect) is the only way to ensure the little guy gets an invite. Take Wake or Pitt this year. They would have at least had a shot to prove themselves like hopefully we will in the near future.
If by some strange fortune North Carolina, Pittsburgh or the University of Virginia were to win the ACC and make it to the college football playoff in two or three years, you can absolutely bet they will get a beat down from an SEC opponent whose roster is paid 4 times what their roster is paid l, just like Michigan did Georgia.

College football as we knew it our entire lives is gone. Read the article. He is correct.
 

ElCidBUZZingFAN

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It's a point well taken, but I think the money aspect is what has changed. I agree that it's always been a corrupt joke but now the corruption is just flagrant and is being celebrated with who has the most money to pay for recruits (turns out it's TAMU this year). Or like I said in my first post, players using the transfer portal to basically auction themselves off. And with TV contracts becoming crazier and crazier with the SEC having an incredibly lucrative deal, it's only continuing to drive a wedge between the haves (read: SEC + Clemson, ND, Michigan & OSU) and have nots.

Like you said, the corruption has always been there, but with it on full display now, this just feels different than the past. Personally, for me it was when OU and TX left the Big XII and joined the SEC. I don't know why that event was the catalyst with all the other changes going on in the CFB landscape, but for whatever reason, that move, of all the things that have happened (transfer portal, NIL etc.), started to kill most of my interest in CFB. And that's saying something considering how passionate I once was.
My moment when things started to seem disconnected and made me less interested.

1) When fans of School A Conference 1 started cheering for and bragging about the success of School B in Conference 1 to their friends/rivals in Conference 2

2) When the above happened but the topic became about media/TV deals
 

GTWannaBee

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My moment when things started to seem disconnected and made me less interested.

1) When fans of School A Conference 1 started cheering for and bragging about the success of School B in Conference 1 to their friends/rivals in Conference 2

2) When the above happened but the topic became about media/TV deals
This is one of the reasons the ACC and every other conference has been left behind. The SEC learned quickly that they were better off of the whole conference looked stronger. They preached out loud enough and often enough that everyone believed it even before it was true. Not us. We would rather see every other team in our conference lose every game than see the conference succeed. Just look at this:

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It's a point well taken, but I think the money aspect is what has changed. I agree that it's always been a corrupt joke but now the corruption is just flagrant and is being celebrated with who has the most money to pay for recruits (turns out it's TAMU this year). Or like I said in my first post, players using the transfer portal to basically auction themselves off. And with TV contracts becoming crazier and crazier with the SEC having an incredibly lucrative deal, it's only continuing to drive a wedge between the haves (read: SEC + Clemson, ND, Michigan & OSU) and have nots.

Like you said, the corruption has always been there, but with it on full display now, this just feels different than the past. Personally, for me it was when OU and TX left the Big XII and joined the SEC. I don't know why that event was the catalyst with all the other changes going on in the CFB landscape, but for whatever reason, that move, of all the things that have happened (transfer portal, NIL etc.), started to kill most of my interest in CFB. And that's saying something considering how passionate I once was.
I don't consider Clemson a "have" when real NIL hits. They will be offering chump change compared to what the SEC or BIG10 can. USC and ND might get by with boosters.
 

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It's a point well taken, but I think the money aspect is what has changed. I agree that it's always been a corrupt joke but now the corruption is just flagrant and is being celebrated with who has the most money to pay for recruits (turns out it's TAMU this year). Or like I said in my first post, players using the transfer portal to basically auction themselves off. And with TV contracts becoming crazier and crazier with the SEC having an incredibly lucrative deal, it's only continuing to drive a wedge between the haves (read: SEC + Clemson, ND, Michigan & OSU) and have nots.

Like you said, the corruption has always been there, but with it on full display now, this just feels different than the past. Personally, for me it was when OU and TX left the Big XII and joined the SEC. I don't know why that event was the catalyst with all the other changes going on in the CFB landscape, but for whatever reason, that move, of all the things that have happened (transfer portal, NIL etc.), started to kill most of my interest in CFB. And that's saying something considering how passionate I once was.
It's because it's a move that feels like it is only about more money in and of itself. They aren't going for a bigger stage like Utah or the former Big East teams. They weren't partially motivated by trying to get out of other schools shadows like Nebraska and TAMU were. It doesn't even truly feel like it's trying to get more money to have more success since if anything their success will be harder to achieve in the SEC (with the only logic to say otherwise being that they need SEC money to keep up, which feels kinda of flat in the case of Texas at least).
The event feels like nothing but greed, no other extenuating factors involved.
 

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I don't consider Clemson a "have" when real NIL hits. They will be offering chump change compared to what the SEC or BIG10 can. USC and ND might get by with boosters.
Fair enough. In my defense, I didn't add Clemson initially but edited my post specifically to add them. Maybe I should have trusted my first instinct. Of course, there's always the possibility that the SEC poaches CU.
 

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I hope NIL and transfer rules end this veneer of amateurism and the golden-egg laying goose finally dies. Parity is dead from a tragedy of the commons. öööö you ESPN, and öööö you SEC
And a big FU as well to the talking heads that call their games. They are homers and apologists to boot.
 

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It's a point well taken, but I think the money aspect is what has changed. I agree that it's always been a corrupt joke but now the corruption is just flagrant and is being celebrated with who has the most money to pay for recruits (turns out it's TAMU this year). Or like I said in my first post, players using the transfer portal to basically auction themselves off. And with TV contracts becoming crazier and crazier with the SEC having an incredibly lucrative deal, it's only continuing to drive a wedge between the haves (read: SEC + Clemson, ND, Michigan & OSU) and have nots.

Like you said, the corruption has always been there, but with it on full display now, this just feels different than the past. Personally, for me it was when OU and TX left the Big XII and joined the SEC. I don't know why that event was the catalyst with all the other changes going on in the CFB landscape, but for whatever reason, that move, of all the things that have happened (transfer portal, NIL etc.), started to kill most of my interest in CFB. And that's saying something considering how passionate I once was.
the corruption became very clear when expansion occured in a confernce such as the SEC and they ingested a team like mizzou from the central part of the country. Just sayin’.
 

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It's a point well taken, but I think the money aspect is what has changed. I agree that it's always been a corrupt joke but now the corruption is just flagrant and is being celebrated with who has the most money to pay for recruits (turns out it's TAMU this year). Or like I said in my first post, players using the transfer portal to basically auction themselves off. And with TV contracts becoming crazier and crazier with the SEC having an incredibly lucrative deal, it's only continuing to drive a wedge between the haves (read: SEC + Clemson, ND, Michigan & OSU) and have nots.

Like you said, the corruption has always been there, but with it on full display now, this just feels different than the past. Personally, for me it was when OU and TX left the Big XII and joined the SEC. I don't know why that event was the catalyst with all the other changes going on in the CFB landscape, but for whatever reason, that move, of all the things that have happened (transfer portal, NIL etc.), started to kill most of my interest in CFB. And that's saying something considering how passionate I once was.
I hear you, but I actually like that everything is now out in the open. It may “feel” different but it’s not different. In the past we’d wonder why player X picked school Y. We all knew why (under the table money) but we still argued about it and claimed “player X didn’t come to GT because he didn’t like the coach or our facilities”, etc. It has always been about the highest bidder. Always. It just seems like the light bulb is coming on for the casual fan when the reality is it’s been happening for decades. Heck, Herschel flipped to UGA due to a car. And your casual fan doesn’t know that and probably wouldn’t believe it. Texas A&M has been buying players for decades so it should come as no surprise that they are doing it now out in the open. A lot of schools have bought players for decades and have won very little. Texas and Texas A&M are freaking vultures. They hate each other. They just haven’t had a legit coach to make it work. LSU buys players. UGA, Bama! Tennessee all have been buying players for decades. Now that’s it out in the open folks think “it’s different now”. It’s not. If anything, a school like GT can do it without worry the NCAA will strip us of a title.
 

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Openly paying players. Best players transferring out without penalty. Then this öööö? I just don’t get the appeal anymore.
College football is not dead-but contraction will happen. However the trend line direction is the same for all schools. Just steeper some than others. A perfect storm of variables killing it. The obvious and highly emotional NIL and portal are major interest killers. Social justice warrior BS though not on par with other sports. Targeting inconsistencies. Cost. Factory dominance. Injury fears- look at data on little league participation and how many high schools have dropped football. Parents not allowing or at a minimum steering clear of football. Population diversity. Aging fan bases.
 

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It's because it's a move that feels like it is only about more money in and of itself. They aren't going for a bigger stage like Utah or the former Big East teams. They weren't partially motivated by trying to get out of other schools shadows like Nebraska and TAMU were. It doesn't even truly feel like it's trying to get more money to have more success since if anything their success will be harder to achieve in the SEC (with the only logic to say otherwise being that they need SEC money to keep up, which feels kinda of flat in the case of Texas at least).
The event feels like nothing but greed, no other extenuating factors involved.
What? Every single expansion move has been about money and resources, as you would expect it to be. Pretending like Nebraska or TAMU motivations, or the ACC poaching the Big East, was somehow more pure and noble is just silly. It is an arms race, and every school wants the best chance to win and be successful. Texas and Oklahoma did the math and realized the Big 12 didn't do that anymore.

The ironic thing about all the crying, is that with each level of expansion the doors have actually been opened WIDER. There are going to be a lot more P5 teams when this round is complete.

But I realize this doesn't fit in with the overall narrative that college football sucks so by all means carry on
 

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will never happen, but if the other conferences had a set of balls, they'd pull out and let the SEC try to make it on their own. The year of Covid when they had to play each other they didn't like so much . When they no longer have cupcakes 4 times a year they will sing a new tune. As for the others, join together for another title, similar to what the coaches poll and AP used to be. Let's level the playing field. 99% of the teams outside of the SEC don't have a fair chance to make the playoff anyway. Ga got ass beat, didn't win conference but the "powers" behind the curtain slotted them anyway. Stop being dictated to by that jerk commissioner and walk away.
 

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College football is not dead-but contraction will happen.
I said it in another thread but I'll repeat it here: Football, both college and NFL, is on the same road as boxing. The road to irrelevancy. Football is just 20 or 30 years behind boxing, IMHO.

Do people even care about boxing anymore? Do you know who the heavyweight champion is today? Old-timers like me might remember what boxing used to be. Youngsters today probably don't even know that boxing is/was.
 

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I said it in another thread but I'll repeat it here: Football, both college and NFL, is on the same road as boxing. The road to irrelevancy. Football is just 20 or 30 years behind boxing, IMHO.

Do people even care about boxing anymore? Do you know who the heavyweight champion is today? Old-timers like me might remember what boxing used to be. Youngsters today probably don't even know that boxing is/was.
Lol

This thread keeps delivering
 

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Lol

This thread keeps delivering
Things go in cycles. Boxing has been in decline since Muhammad Ali retired and then took a further final decline after Tyson retired. Baseball has been in a lesser decline. NASCAR has more recently been in decline. Football has been constantly gaining in popularity especially the NFL. As for college football we might not like what it is morphing into, but it has remained constant in its popularity.
 

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What? Every single expansion move has been about money and resources, as you would expect it to be. Pretending like Nebraska or TAMU motivations, or the ACC poaching the Big East, was somehow more pure and noble is just silly. It is an arms race, and every school wants the best chance to win and be successful. Texas and Oklahoma did the math and realized the Big 12 didn't do that anymore.

The ironic thing about all the crying, is that with each level of expansion the doors have actually been opened WIDER. There are going to be a lot more P5 teams when this round is complete.

But I realize this doesn't fit in with the overall narrative that college football sucks so by all means carry on
Yet when we had a chance to increase our money and resources, we chose not to pursue that option.
 

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I said it in another thread but I'll repeat it here: Football, both college and NFL, is on the same road as boxing. The road to irrelevancy. Football is just 20 or 30 years behind boxing, IMHO.

Do people even care about boxing anymore? Do you know who the heavyweight champion is today? Old-timers like me might remember what boxing used to be. Youngsters today probably don't even know that boxing is/was.
Anything is possible but I haven't seen any signs that the NFL's popularity is dwindling. If anything I've seen the opposite.

I know there are safety concerns and to some extent the pool of youth football players may become limited, but I haven't seen any convincing arguments that that will tank the NFL.

From fantasy football to gambling to incredible parity, they've done a fantastic job at making sure customers who never played or were involved with the sport feel connected to it.
 
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