Combine Talk ft. Stephen Hill

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stinger78 said:
When balls hit the WR right in the hands and he drops them, it's not the QB's fault.

Hill may do well in the NFL draft, but it won't be because of what he showed them in his college career. He made some nice catches in his time at Tech, but his drops were far more frequent.
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Winner winner chicken dinner! Well said!
 
ibeeballin said:
I'm just worried what led CPJ to his success will be his demise. Football is evolving on all levels, and I just see him resisting the changes.
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I was going to let this go but "GTman" seconded it. I think that this position will be proven naiive in the next few years. CPJ is leading not resisting the changes. Even VPI started running the triple option last season.

GTman said:
Finally someone else recognizes. Stubborness can be a disguise for lack of knowledge.

CPJ knows the option. Period. He lacks the understanding for running a major college program.
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This is just ignorant. You must be trolling. You could call him stubborn if he kept it up even when were getting whooped every week. Our offense has still been pretty effective. When you keep doing something that's working, then you're not being stubborn; you're being smart.
 
GTman said:
Finally someone else recognizes. Stubborness can be a disguise for lack of knowledge.

CPJ knows the option. Period. He lacks the understanding for running a major college program.
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This is such an ignorant statement. You apparently missed his Hawaiian offense. He knows what he's doing. The TO is the base - it's the bread and butter for the CPJ offensive model. His goal is to make it a part of the culture of a program. However, he isn't stupid and he KNOWS how to run an offense. Once he gets a QB who can pass, consistently, you will see a more diversified playbook. His whole perspective is to adjust the offense to its strengths. We saw that at the beginning of the season. However, TW and the offensive line did not hold up to the rigors of tougher opposition in the latter half of the season. Had they been better, we would have seen continued success, including with the passing game.

I think we WILL see improvement either this season or the next with a QB like Vad or Justin Thomas (my feeling is the latter may be the better of the two). But, again, the playbook is only as good as the players executing it. I see bright days ahead with our recent recruiting.
 
JacketFan77 said:
This is such an ignorant statement. You apparently missed his Hawaiian offense. He knows what he's doing. The TO is the base - it's the bread and butter for the CPJ offensive model. His goal is to make it a part of the culture of a program. However, he isn't stupid and he KNOWS how to run an offense. Once he gets a QB who can pass, consistently, you will see a more diversified playbook. His whole perspective is to adjust the offense to its strengths. We saw that at the beginning of the season. However, TW and the offensive line did not hold up to the rigors of tougher opposition in the latter half of the season. Had they been better, we would have seen continued success, including with the passing game.

I think we WILL see improvement either this season or the next with a QB like Vad or Justin Thomas (my feeling is the latter may be the better of the two). But, again, the playbook is only as good as the players executing it. I see bright days ahead with our recent recruiting.
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I clearly stated he knows the option. Clearly. Nobody can doubt that. However, can you offer a rebutal to what my post actually said?

Explain to me what he has done to prove that he knows how to run a major college program? This task encompasses more than just calling plays.

Please touch on the following:

Public Relations
Player Developement
Staffing Hires
Recruiting
Special Teams
Ability to adapt and/or change

If you use statistics, please use conference stats only.

Thank you, I look forward to your post
 
ibeeballin said:
For those who think bc we had a WR go in the 1st round and possibly another will help recruiting can forget about it. These guys are making money because of raw ability at these workouts not because of development at GT
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I am so happy to see that finally someone recognize it as it is. Since Gailey and His crew left no one gets developed at Tech. You have to have real coaches to do that. Maybe since Groh is there maybe there is some development on the defensive sid e of the ball.
 
GTman said:
I clearly stated he knows the option. Clearly. Nobody can doubt that. However, can you offer a rebutal to what my post actually said?

Explain to me what he has done to prove that he knows how to run a major college program? This task encompasses more than just calling plays.

Please touch on the following:

Public Relations
Player Developement
Staffing Hires
Recruiting
Special Teams
Ability to adapt and/or change

If you use statistics, please use conference stats only.

Thank you, I look forward to your post
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vad lee
 
GTman said:
I clearly stated he knows the option. Clearly. Nobody can doubt that. However, can you offer a rebutal to what my post actually said?

Explain to me what he has done to prove that he knows how to run a major college program? This task encompasses more than just calling plays.

Please touch on the following:

Public Relations
Player Developement
Staffing Hires
Recruiting
Special Teams
Ability to adapt and/or change

If you use statistics, please use conference stats only.

Thank you, I look forward to your post
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He's running a major college program. So why would anyone waste time with your little exercise? You clearly don't like him as coach. Fine. No one is going to change your mind and I for one am not going to waste time trying.
 
GTman said:
Finally someone else recognizes. Stubborness can be a disguise for lack of knowledge.

CPJ knows the option. Period. He lacks the understanding for running a major college program.
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I hope that this is not true, but I think that the next couple of seasons will give us the best indication about this.
 
GTman said:
I clearly stated he knows the option. Clearly. Nobody can doubt that. However, can you offer a rebutal to what my post actually said?

Explain to me what he has done to prove that he knows how to run a major college program? This task encompasses more than just calling plays.

Please touch on the following:

Public Relations
Player Developement
Staffing Hires
Recruiting
Special Teams
Ability to adapt and/or change

If you use statistics, please use conference stats only.

Thank you, I look forward to your post
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Touch on this.... He wins games at almost the level of dodd and our talent is only improving. He also has won everywhere he has been as an oc and hc.
 
Well... this thread just took a nose dive to a new low of retartness.
 
nyjacket said:
I am so happy to see that finally someone recognize it as it is. Since Gailey and His crew left no one gets developed at Tech. You have to have real coaches to do that. Maybe since Groh is there maybe there is some development on the defensive sid e of the ball.
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Seriously? Reggie Ball and Taylor Bennett say "hi".
 
ibeeballin said:
Yes, Stephen is bringing GT some pub, but it is not going to have that big of an impact on recruiting as some would like until there is some tinkering done.
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When you are trying to sell your program to 17 year old kids, the simplest story is the best one. Before, other schools would tell our WR recruits that they will never get the ball thrown to them and never make the NFL. We had to counter with a more complicated story about how the system gets them in one on one situations. You get to show your play making ability. You learn how block, which NFL teams value.

Now we have the simple argument (assuming Stephen is drafted high). GT receivers get drafted high. The other schools have to try to explain how its not really what you learn at GT. It doesn't really have to do with our system. The GT strength and conditioning program didn't really help them at the combine.

Having Stephen and Baybay makes our pitch a compelling one. Certainly, there are ways to detract from our argument, but this a great development for GT.
 
ChrisW said:
Having Stephen and Baybay makes our pitch a compelling one. Certainly, there are ways to detract from our argument, but this a great development for GT.
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I agree that this should be helpful to GT, especially if Stephen continues to show well, gets a decent draft positiona and is actually able to show some success in the NFL. The ironic and possibly damaging aspect of our program providing running backs who can perform in the NFL is that we don't have the success so far with RB's coming out of GT comparable to the success of the WR's.

If JD can actually start to get on the field more and and perform well and if Allen can start to have some success there as well then we may start to get some positive recruiting ammo based on our running game. But of course both JD and AA are BBack guys, the ABacks are mostly smaller and don't get as many touches for individual players.

I would love to see Orwin have a breakout year and turn out to be one of the first AB's coming out of GT to start to get some positive news at the NFL level.
 
hdtvfan said:
I agree that this should be helpful to GT, especially if Stephen continues to show well, gets a decent draft positiona and is actually able to show some success in the NFL. The ironic and possibly damaging aspect of our program providing running backs who can perform in the NFL is that we don't have the success so far with RB's coming out of GT comparable to the success of the WR's.

If JD can actually start to get on the field more and and perform well and if Allen can start to have some success there as well then we may start to get some positive recruiting ammo based on our running game. But of course both JD and AA are BBack guys, the ABacks are mostly smaller and don't get as many touches for individual players.

I would love to see Orwin have a breakout year and turn out to be one of the first AB's coming out of GT to start to get some positive news at the NFL level.
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Orwin is the first real proto-typical NFL back who will come out of Tech as an AB. Peeples, Jones, Wright, et al, are pony backs who don't project real well in the League. AA, of course, could have been the first one, but he moved to BB, and Lucas Cox lost his starting job to AA in 2009, and Orwin in 2010. but he wasn't a proto-typical NFL RB either.

Orwin really will be the first one we've graduated who was exclusively an AB and who would project as a NFL RB. It will be interesting what happens with him if he has a good year. I also agree that it is important for JD and AA to get some news, too.
 
stinger78 said:
When balls hit the WR right in the hands and he drops them, it's not the QB's fault.

Hill may do well in the NFL draft, but it won't be because of what he showed them in his college career. He made some nice catches in his time at Tech, but his drops were far more frequent.
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We threw like 10 passes a game total. It was difficult for a WR to get in any kind of rhythm when you hardly had any passes thrown your way.
 
I sometimes think the pass happy offenses hurt WR prospects rather than help them. They generate gawdy stats but those stats are attrributed to the system over the talent.

Stats are an insufficient condition without proven physical potential. And with proven physical potential then college stats almost don't matter.

The NFL has certainly been burned at the QB position going after record-breaking college QB passers.
 
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