CPJ Contract, FWIW

GoJackets89 said:
I didn't write it, he did. I'd take the wins, but it's not ideal to be a stepping stone. It'd be tough to hold on to a good coach that runs a more conventional offense unless Tech expands it's curriculum and gets more money.
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What if Tech pursued someone who has ties like George Godsey or Ken Whisenhunt? It would be interesting to see how a coach like that would interest better talent from the metro area that could handle the curriculum. Here's the thing to me, I doubt Johnson is going anywhere, but .500 seasons are going to be more of the norm. Should a good option exist, I wouldn't pass on him based on the fact he may leave for another program
 
Lets wait until after the season before we start on old Coach! We still have 1 more game and maybe even a 12th game!!
 
donsue said:
What if Tech pursued someone who has ties like George Godsey or Ken Whisenhunt? It would be interesting to see how a coach like that would interest better talent from the metro area that could handle the curriculum. Here's the thing to me, I doubt Johnson is going anywhere, but .500 seasons are going to be more of the norm. Should a good option exist, I wouldn't pass on him based on the fact he may leave for another program
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Lol no one wants to coach college and deal with recruiting. Both have said as much. They are pipe dreams. As far as CPJ goes, he's not going anywhere unless he decides to retire. However, Stansbury may force his hand into finally getting rid of some assistant coaches that aren't pulling their weight (looking at you Sewak).
 
donsue said:
What if Tech pursued someone who has ties like George Godsey or Ken Whisenhunt? It would be interesting to see how a coach like that would interest better talent from the metro area that could handle the curriculum. Here's the thing to me, I doubt Johnson is going anywhere, but .500 seasons are going to be more of the norm. Should a good option exist, I wouldn't pass on him based on the fact he may leave for another program
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I like Johnson and I'll give him another season before I want to can him if we see a similar season next year. If we can somehow beat UGAg I believe everyone will give him a longer leash.

I'm fine with whatever if we go another direction, it would be different if Tech changed as an institution, but I don't see that happening. Tech is lucky enough to have gone bowling as many times as they have given academic restrictions and lack of majors.
 
For those wanting CPJ gone, it is worth accepting what you want gone. We may have had a few bad years, but we’ve also had a couple orange bowl appearances. We could go in circles about what system to replace his with, but ultimately we don’t know if it would be any better.
 
daBuzz said:
And yet you still get the back to back 10 win seasons. You've convinced me that I don't want that. You're obviously right.
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Don’t shoot the messenger. As I have said in other posts and through out this and past seasons — I like CPJ but would welcome a change if he were to retire (or otherwise) tomorrow.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
For those wanting CPJ gone, it is worth accepting what you want gone. We may have had a few bad years, but we’ve also had a couple orange bowl appearances. We could go in circles about what system to replace his with, but ultimately we don’t know if it would be any better.
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That is very true. There are a scant few coaches out there that are almost guaranteed to win, and hiring any coach is a crapshoot. I just can't accept the notion that Tech is so unique that it is pigeon holed into only being successful with a system that only the service academies implement. Do I think Tech is going to knock heads with Bama on a regular basis? No. But I maintain Tech is in a better situation with talent right under it's nose that truly can handle the academics. Sure, the academic rigors scare some recruits off, but many more don't consider Tech because of the system
 
What does “the system” have to do with recruiting defence?
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
For those wanting CPJ gone, it is worth accepting what you want gone. We may have had a few bad years, but we’ve also had a couple orange bowl appearances. We could go in circles about what system to replace his with, but ultimately we don’t know if it would be any better.
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45% of CPJ's seasons so far have absolutely blown away the very best Gailey ever did.
 
05GTCorndog said:
If Gailey is your measuring stick, you are a loser.
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If it were up to some people, we would reanimate Vince Lombardi's dead body and compel him to be our head coach, then create a Georgia Tech only league where we go every season undefeated in order to protect some of our snowflake fans from their inability to deal with losing a sporting event. It's stupid to not compare PJ's performance to other coaches - there's a very limited supply of coaches, and football is a zero-sum game. Our success comes at the cost of another program's failure.

Gailey sucked but wasn't an unmitigated disaster, and whether they realize it or not, he's the kind of coach most anti-PJ folks like @RamblinWreck92 are suggesting we bring in.
 
eg1 said:
What does “the system” have to do with recruiting defence?
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HS coaches tell kids that they'd have to practice against CPJ's offense. No kid wants to do that.
EffinDane said:
If it were up to some people, we would reanimate Vince Lombardi's dead body and compel him to be our head coach, then create a Georgia Tech only league where we go every season undefeated in order to protect some of our snowflake fans from their inability to deal with losing a sporting event. It's stupid to not compare PJ's performance to other coaches - there's a very limited supply of coaches, and football is a zero-sum game. Our success comes at the cost of another program's failure.

Gailey sucked but wasn't an unmitigated disaster, and whether they realize it or not, he's the kind of coach most anti-PJ folks like @RamblinWreck92 are suggesting we bring in.
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I'm not suggesting that we bring a Gailey-type back in.

Though Gailey didn't have 2 losing seasons nor ever get his ass completely kicked the way CPJ does vs Duke.

I'd like to see someone younger with a more modern approach to offense and recruiting once CPJ retires or isn't extended.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
For those wanting CPJ gone, it is worth accepting what you want gone. We may have had a few bad years, but we’ve also had a couple orange bowl appearances. We could go in circles about what system to replace his with, but ultimately we don’t know if it would be any better.
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Exactly right. We DON'T KNOW if it would be any better. For everyone deathly afraid of change, there's every reason to be optimistic. It's kinda stupid to have this discussion right now though. CPJ's got a good 5-10 more years, completely regardless of results on the field.
 
Something else to consider: Remember how the basketball coaching search went? I think we ended up with a good coach, but we reportedly got turned down by everybody in the process. We had to hire a down coach trying to rebuild his reputation. In football, we would likely have to do the same or hire another coach like CPJ, someone with a chip on his shoulder, trying to prove his system works. We are not an attracrive job for up and comers with the challenges and restrictions.

I don't know the right approach, honestly, but I do trust Stansbury to figure it out.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
No, right. Duke's now won 3 of 4 and had 20pt leads in each of those games.

Duke owns CPJ. It's embarrassing.
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Gailey never played Cutcliffe. Gailey most likely will have had no winnng seasons past 2009 if he stayed. Our schedule was so, so, so much easier back then.
 
EffinDane said:
Gailey never played Cutcliffe. Gailey most likely will have had no winnng seasons past 2009 if he stayed. Our schedule was so, so, so much easier back then.
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The ACC largely sucked up until about 3-4 years ago when an infusion of good coaches came into the league.

It isn't like the ACC suddenly became a juggernaut in 2008. There were still plenty of shitty coaches in the league and the Coastal was wide open for years. Look at out Strength of Schedule from 2010-2013. That was Charmin-soft and we couldn't capitalize. We went 28-25 over that stretch of playing in the easiest run the ACC has offered us in the past 20 years.

What is the significant difference in schedule between 06/07 and 10/11? Because Clemson getting good? Other than that, pretty similar schedules.
 
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EffinDane said:
Gailey never played Cutcliffe. Gailey most likely will have had no winnng seasons past 2009 if he stayed. Our schedule was so, so, so much easier back then.
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People forget how un-Duke Duke has been under Cuttcliffe, the ACC has gotten significantly harder with coaching changes and expansion.
 
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