CPJ Contract, FWIW

gtzulu said:
This is a great point. The opportunity for improvement due to a coaching change is relatively small because the bigger factors limiting our success have to do with money and education (curriculum and rigor). The perfect coach would still have those handicaps versus other schools.

People who campaign for a coaching change would probably better spend their time thinking about how to get more money into GT football, because the school isn't going to drastically change for football. And yes, winning would bring in more money, but you need money in the first place to win consistently at the levels to bring in enough money to make a difference.
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My personal opinion is that the variety of academic majors and very limited JUCO transfer potential are more limiting than the actual academic rigor of GT. A quick browse through public university academic rankings would reveal that there are quite a few with high performing football teams (Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, come to mind - even Georgia). I speculate that athletes take classes in areas like sports sciences, communications, kinesiology, liberal arts, etc. that Tech doesn't offer. Some people just aren't interested in engineering/business.

I'll give an anecdote on cost. When we went through CPJ's first bad season, I suggested poaching Scott Frost from Oregon as a replacement. Back then he could be had for similar contract terms as Tech was paying CPJ. Could Tech have kept him in today's high spending world? I'm not sure. He's rumored to be on the market in the $5m range today - double what Tech is paying CPJ.

In 1982, Bear Bryant was the highest earning college football coach at $450,000. A quick CPI adjustment from 1982 to present says that's worth around $1.1m today. Nick Saban earns 7x that. In 2016, Clemson spent $27m on football and Alabama spent a whopping $51m. They both netted a revenue around +80-100% on that, so they are essentially self-sustaining at these spending rates. For perspective, Brent Venables' salary is about the same as Tech's entire defensive coaching staff. Bobinski and Stansbury have both increased the school's athletic budget by about 50% from where it was when CPJ took over, but Tech is still in the bottom 3rd of the conference. You're essentially looking at doubling athletic spending at a program already netting negative balances to its operating budget to bring the football program into the spending levels of playoff contenders.
 
Seems like clockwork when we can expect to see these conversations with one side vehemently on CPJ's side or not. I am not afraid of change, but I am afraid that we have a program that is inherently difficult to coach, so any decent hire would be prohibitively expensive because we don't have that kind of money flowing in, or we'd have to tear everything down and look forward to about 5 years of filtering out current recruits/players before any seasons of significance. I'm too old to give up 5 years of my GT football loving life to do that. I have learned to temper expectations after suffering through the perennial 7-5 Gailey and have come to appreciate/prefer the occasional 10 win season while suffering through the shitty 5 or 6 win season. And for those clamoring for change because it will bring in better recruits - the likes of Tennessee, Florida, UCLA, Oregon, Texas, ND, uGag, etc say 'hello'.
 
05GTCorndog said:
The coaching over the full season is the worst I've seen since stepping on campus in 2001.
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That is some strong recency bias. In 2003 5 of 6 losses we by at least 2 scores. Lost by 24 to a really terrible Duke teams. In 2004 4 of 5 losses were by at least 2 scores. Not counting cupcakes we were only competitive in about half our games.
 
ramblin' wagon said:
That is some strong recency bias. In 2003 5 of 6 losses we by at least 2 scores. Lost by 24 to a really terrible Duke teams. In 2004 4 of 5 losses were by at least 2 scores. Not counting cupcakes we were only competitive in about half our games.
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The coaching decisions this year cost us games that we should’ve won. The Special Teams are atrocious. The in-game decisions are mind bottling. There are no adjustments on defense.

2003 and 2004 were heavily impacted by Flunkgate. Out team was picked by many to win 3 games in 2003. If anything, they overachieved.

2003 ACC Football Kickoff
Preseason Media Poll
1. Florida State (35)
2. NC State (26)
3. Maryland (18)
4. Virginia (5)
5. Clemson
6. North Carolina
7. Wake Forest
8. Georgia Tech
9. Duke
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http://seminoles.com/seminoles-picked-to-win-acc-in-2003/


Oh look, we overachieved in 2004 too.
http://preseason.stassen.com/consensus/2004.html#acc



Get your facts right, son.
 
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ramblin' wagon said:
That is some strong recency bias. In 2003 5 of 6 losses we by at least 2 scores. Lost by 24 to a really terrible Duke teams. In 2004 4 of 5 losses were by at least 2 scores. Not counting cupcakes we were only competitive in about half our games.
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This was the point of my post about how competitive we've been under CPJ. We all hate losing. But it is a lot worse losing like we did to Duke than like we did to UVA.
 
05GTCorndog said:
The coaching decisions this year cost us games that we should’ve won. The Special Teams are atrocious. The in-game decisions are mind bottling. There are no adjustments on defense.

2003 and 2004 were heavily impacted by Flunkgate. Out team was picked by many to win 3 games in 2003. If anything, they overachieved.

Get your facts right, son.
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So we got our asses kicked by a 4-8 Duke team in 2003 because of flunkgate and good coaching. Interesting facts, dad.
 
MSCI99 said:
Seems like clockwork when we can expect to see these conversations with one side vehemently on CPJ's side or not.
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Actually I don't think this is true. There are definitely varying tendencies towards CPJ, but there are very few posters who are *vehemently* in favor of firing him or in favor of retaining him.

We've all seen the possible upside under CPJ. It is possible to win the Orange Bowl with a buncha three-star recruits taking calculus. On the flipside, it gets really frustrating watching us play so inconsistently. So I think most people have a pretty level-headed attitude towards what he's done and what he yet might (or might not) be able to do.
 
05GTCorndog said:
I proved that your assertion that 2003 and 2004 had worse coaching was a bullshit comment.
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Nope. In 2004 we finished 6th. according to your link we were excepted to finish 8th. Only about a 1 game difference (4-4 instead of 3-5). This season if we had a decent kicker we would be at least 7-3 but I think 8-2 which would be exceding expectations. If you want to blame coaching on not recruiting a better kicker that's fine but that started before 2017.
 
ramblin' wagon said:
Nope. In 2004 we finished 6th. according to your link we were excepted to finish 8th. Only about a 1 game difference (4-4 instead of 3-5). This season if we had a decent kicker we would be at least 7-3 but I think 8-2 which would be exceding expectations. If you want to blame coaching on not recruiting a better kicker that's fine but that started before 2017.
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Blame the kicker. Yeah... that's the ticket.

Meanwhile, Miami just threw another bubble screen and our DL and LBs still haven't gotten of a single block from a bad Duke OL.

If you can't objectively look at the coaching this year and see it has been terrible then you are an idiot.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Blame the kicker. Yeah... that's the ticket.

Meanwhile, Miami just threw another bubble screen and our DL and LBs still haven't gotten of a single block from a bad Duke OL.

If you can't objectively look at the coaching this year and see it has been terrible then you are an idiot.
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By your metric 2015 would be the worst coaching performance. You can't even apply your own metrics. Who is the idiot?
 
05GTCorndog said:
2015 was an awful coaching job.
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I'm curious how you can tell an awful coaching job from some other cause of a loss? Or are the coaches responsible for all of it, so any loss is a horrible coaching job?
 
18in32 said:
I'm curious how you can tell an awful coaching job from some other cause of a loss? Or are the coaches responsible for all of it, so any loss is a horrible coaching job?
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My guess is something something your mom.
 
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