CPJ Contract, FWIW

[05GTCorndog]

False narrative.

2002: SOS - 22nd
2003: SOS - 6th
2004: SOS - 33rd
2005: SOS - 16th
2006: SOS - 56th
2007: SOS - 62nd

2008: SOS - 40th
2009: SOS - 10th
2010: SOS - 69th
2011: SOS - 76th
2012: SOS - 44th
2013: SOS - 46th

2014: SOS - 28th
2015: SOS - 14th
2016: SOS - 42nd
2017: SOS - 17th

32.5 Average for Gailey's 6 years
47.5 for CPJs first 6 years
25.2 Average for CPJ's last 4 years.

Things have gotten harder in the ACC, but not until very recently. The SOS today resembles that of the Gailey era.

 

[GoJackets89]

The ACC largely sucked up until about 3-4 years ago when an infusion of good coaches came into the league.

It isn't like the ACC suddenly became a juggernaut in 2008. There were still plenty of ööööty coaches in the league and the Coastal was wide open for years.

What is the significant difference in schedule between 06/07 and 10/11? Because Clemson getting good? Other than that, pretty similar schedules.

Clemson getting better and our "cup-cake" Duke getting better most definitely effect us. We play both each year and when you can't beat your cup cake conference game you either suck or they are getting better, maybe a little bit of both.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Gailey never played Cutcliffe. Gailey most likely will have had no winnng seasons past 2009 if he stayed. Our schedule was so, so, so much easier back then.

Meh, Gailey didn't have the joke-cakes CPJ gets every year. CPJ doesn't have to play Auburn and SoCal OOC either. The absolute only thing CPJ owns Gailey at is beating the mutts in Athens and I give all credit to CPJ for that. Zero home wins vs mutts sucks ass though.

This year's Duke team is a collection of ööööing retards though. No possible excuse to lose to those ööööing dipshits.

 

[05GTCorndog]

Clemson getting better and our "cup-cake" Duke getting better most definitely effect us. We play both each year and when you can't beat your cup cake conference game you either suck or they are getting better, maybe a little bit of both.

The numbers don't lie, sport.

 

[savbandjacket]

Something else to consider: Remember how the basketball coaching search went? I think we ended up with a good coach, but we reportedly got turned down by everybody in the process. We had to hire a down coach trying to rebuild his reputation. In football, we would likely have to do the same or hire another coach like CPJ, someone with a chip on his shoulder, trying to prove his system works. We are not an attracrive job for up and comers with the challenges and restrictions.

I don't know the right approach, honestly, but I do trust Stansbury to figure it out.

Art Briles!

 

[LeonardWood]

The numbers don't lie, sport.

You make a good argument. Gailey would have probably remained 7-5 through 2013.

I have to say my biggest complaint about PJ is/was his recruiting performance when he first on board. The drop-off in 2010 was totally unnecessary.

However, the point stands - zero chance Gailey would have gotten us the 2014 and 2016 seasons.

 

[05GTCorndog]

I'm not a Gailey fan. I'm just saying that we should look at CPJ's tenure realistically. He has had some good seasons mixed in with some sub-Gailey seasons. Our recruiting is abysmal and we are falling further behind everyone else each year. The players don't seem to respond to the coaches and they don't get up for games. Our OL coach has been useless for a decade, but CPJ chooses to protect a buddy more than improving the program. The coaching over the full season is the worst I've seen since stepping on campus in 2001.

 

[TampaBayJacket]

We're not going to do better than PJ. Get over it. If we do, he'll be gone to a higher level program in a heartbeat.

This is the problem. If we were to get a new coach, he's either going to be mediocre and we fire him or he will be great and leave after his first 10-win season.

 

[GoJackets89]

The numbers don't lie, sport.

Your updated post gives more evidence to what I initially stated, Champ.

We may not go bowling twice in those 4 years and are 1-3 to the dookies, even lost to them in our best year under CPJ.

 

[savbandjacket]

This is the problem. If we were to get a new coach, he's either going to be mediocre and we fire him or he will be great and leave after his first 10-win season.

This is the most defeatist crap ever. We are the most recent national title winning program in the state. The winner of four national titles. The sidelines where Heisman, Alexander and Dodd walked. The oldest stadium in Div 1.

The player of the year is named after one of our coaches. The award for coach of the year is named for one of ours. The award for athletic director is too.

We have a list of All Americans plastered on our stadium.

A coach can win at Tech.

 

[gtzulu]

This is the most defeatist crap ever. We are the most recent national title winning program in the state. The winner of four national titles. The sidelines where Heisman, Alexander and Dodd walked. The oldest stadium in Div 1.

The player of the year is named after one of our coaches. The award for coach of the year is named for one of ours. The award for athletic director is too.

We have a list of All Americans plastered on our stadium.

A coach can win at Tech.

Harvard, Princeton, and Yale all have more national titles than us. "A coach can win at Yale?" The landscape of college football changes. It's completely different now than in the 1950s. You'd have to argue that the circumstances of our football program are the same now as then.

 

[BackstreetBuzz]

CPJ is not going anywhere this year and will not go anywhere next year barring 3-9 or worse. However, he is definitely not going to a higher profile job. There is not one of the top 25 high school programs in Georgia that would hire him.

 

[05GTCorndog]

CPJ is not going anywhere this year and will not go anywhere next year barring 3-9 or worse. However, he is definitely not going to a higher profile job. There is not one of the top 25 high school programs in Georgia that would hire him.

Quiet down, the adults are talking

 

[yellowbritchies]

For those wanting CPJ gone, it is worth accepting what you want gone. We may have had a few bad years, but we’ve also had a couple orange bowl appearances. We could go in circles about what system to replace his with, but ultimately we don’t know if it would be any better.

Sorry dude, typical Tech fan attitude. You'll be posting the same statement after the 2018 season. Why are you so afraid of trying something different.

 

[yellowbritchies]

Exactly right. We DON'T KNOW if it would be any better. For everyone deathly afraid of change, there's every reason to be optimistic. It's kinda stupid to have this discussion right now though. CPJ's got a good 5-10 more years, completely regardless of results on the field.

If that's true, I can assure you, there will not be any Tech fans left.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Gailey never played Cutcliffe. Gailey most likely will have had no winnng seasons past 2009 if he stayed. Our schedule was so, so, so much easier back then.

no it wasn't. Yesterday's Duke was as bad as any Duke team Gailey faced.

Pitt, Syracuse, BC - these are all REALLY bad teams. UVA until this year was REALLY bad. Today's FSU is a shadow of the Bobby Bowden FSU teams. UNC, Wake...about the same.

And we didn't play any Woffords back then. Nor Gardner-Webbs.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

If that's true, I can assure you, there will not be any Tech fans left.

CPJ is going nowhere. Neither is our football program.

 

[floridajacket]

The SOS arguments always go around forever. Both sides can always point to things.

The only real way to arbitrate it is computer rankings and other more advanced statistics. In 2013, when CPJ was in more trouble than now, the rankings showed generally better teams than Gailey's. Our schedule did in fact get tougher, especially compared to 2006 and 2007.

Then the response was of course "Watch the games nerd. Computer programs ain't W's." Then when the other side pointed to W's by CPJ, it went back around to "well those W's didn't matter."

It doesn't help the anti-CPJ side that the obvious motivator is dislike for the TO. It's pretty rare to hear "I'm okay with the offensive scheme. I want to fire CPJ because of his recruiting and DC selections." There is stuff to criticize with offensive coaching, but the general anti-TO arguments can be so freaking wrong. The offense was top five for two years: 2009 and 2014. When did Gailey ever sniff that, even with Calvin Johnson?

 

[TampaBayJacket]

This is the most defeatist crap ever. We are the most recent national title winning program in the state. The winner of four national titles. The sidelines where Heisman, Alexander and Dodd walked. The oldest stadium in Div 1.

The player of the year is named after one of our coaches. The award for coach of the year is named for one of ours. The award for athletic director is too.

We have a list of All Americans plastered on our stadium.

A coach can win at Tech.

How long did Bobby Ross stick around after his great season? How long did O'Leary stay here? Every other coach other than PJ was fired in the modern era. Prove to me we are not a stepping stone.

 

[savbandjacket]

The SOS arguments always go around forever. Both sides can always point to things.

The only real way to arbitrate it is computer rankings and other more advanced statistics. In 2013, when CPJ was in more trouble than now, the rankings showed generally better teams than Gailey's. Our schedule did in fact get tougher, especially compared to 2006 and 2007.

Then the response was of course "Watch the games nerd. Computer programs ain't W's." Then when the other side pointed to W's by CPJ, it went back around to "well those W's didn't matter."

It doesn't help the anti-CPJ side that the obvious motivator is dislike for the TO. It's pretty rare to hear "I'm okay with the offensive scheme. I want to fire CPJ because of his recruiting and DC selections." There is stuff to criticize with offensive coaching, but the general anti-TO arguments can be so freaking wrong. The offense was top five for two years: 2009 and 2014. When did Gailey ever sniff that, even with Calvin Johnson?

The offense seems to be Feast or famine, which is not necessarily a good thing. When we beat someone, our offense really puts an ass whipping on them. But it’s becoming more frequent (and by worse teams) where we are completely shut down on offense for large periods of time or even an entire game.