CPJ Contract, FWIW

TampaBayJacket said:
How long did Bobby Ross stick around after his great season? How long did O'Leary stay here? Every other coach other than PJ was fired in the modern era. Prove to me we are not a stepping stone.
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Ross went to the nfl and O’Leary went to his dream job at ND. 95% of college programs are arguably stepping stones for those jobs.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
How long did Bobby Ross stick around after his great season? How long did O'Leary stay here? Every other coach other than PJ was fired in the modern era. Prove to me we are not a stepping stone.
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Gailey returned to the NFL only after we canned him. CPJ won't be stepping anywhere upwards when he leaves here.

We're not a coaching carousel either (I've seen that laughably said elsewhere). We've had 2 HCs in the last 16 years and will keep CPJ around for at least another 5-10 years.

IIWII
 
TampaBayJacket said:
How long did Bobby Ross stick around after his great season? How long did O'Leary stay here? Every other coach other than PJ was fired in the modern era. Prove to me we are not a stepping stone.
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Who the öööö cares? If you give me a coach who wins us a national title, I'll personally take time off work to help him move on to his new greener pastures if he wants to leave.
 
savbandjacket said:
The offense seems to be Feast or famine, which is not necessarily a good thing. When we beat someone, our offense really puts an ass whipping on them. But it’s becoming more frequent (and by worse teams) where we are completely shut down on offense for large periods of time or even an entire game.
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Yeah, I agree. My guess is most offenses have higher margin of error. The option plays has to have everybody block the right person and the right read has to be done.
 
floridajacket said:
Yeah, I agree. My guess is most offenses have higher margin of error. The option plays has to have everybody block the right person and the right read has to be done.
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It’s not just that. Most good teams have some level of proficiency in running and passing. Some days it’s just not going to be a good day on the ground and vice versa. It could be the other teams strengths, the weather, or a player having an off day. We are completely....completely....one dimensional. We cannot switch to a passing game of any type when the run game just isn’t there.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
How long did Bobby Ross stick around after his great season? How long did O'Leary stay here? Every other coach other than PJ was fired in the modern era. Prove to me we are not a stepping stone.
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Just to clarify here, Ross left for the NFL (which at that time paid more and had more prestige than college jobs), and O'Leary went after the Notre Dame job (the Mecca job for an Irish Catholic). I wouldn't consider those "stepping stone" moves.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
HS coaches tell kids that they'd have to practice against CPJ's offense.
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Are the people around these kids dumb enough to believe this? They haven't heard about scout teams? Nor that your post-college prospects will be based upon your performance against other schools, virtually none of which run the TO?
 
It is interesting to hear people say, "we probably can't do any better." That's exactly what they said about Gailey — then we beat a loaded UGA in CPJ's first year, won the conference and went to the Orange Bowl the next year.

Never think you can't do better. The surest path to program decline is the assumption that things can't get better.
 
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eg1 said:
Are the people around these kids dumb enough to believe this? They haven't heard about scout teams? Nor that your post-college prospects will be based upon your performance against other schools, virtually none of which run the TO?
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ND coach Kelly said almost this exact same thing in a national TV broadcast: That HS defensive players don't want to play for us because they don't want to practice against the TO.

If the pro-CPJ fans think this scheme isn't used against us, they're more naive than I thought.
 
18in32 said:
It is interesting to hear people say, "we probably can't do any better." That's exactly what they said about Gailey — then we beat a loaded UGA in CPJ's first year, won the conference and went to the Orange Bowl the next year.

Never think you can't do better. That's the surest path to program decline is the assumption that things can't get better.
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I'd guess that almost no GT grad says that about any aspect of their personal lives. Not sure why football gets this bizarre, Charlie-Brown-loser pass.
 
yellowbritchies said:
Sorry dude, typical Tech fan attitude. You'll be posting the same statement after the 2018 season. Why are you so afraid of trying something different.
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I’m not afraid - I don’t have any control in the matter.

CPJ has given GT something like 3 ACC championship appearances, 2 orange bowl appearances, and is 30% against Georgia over a 10 year period. Sprinkled in there is (likely) 2 losing seasons and a few .500 seasons. He’s got the 2nd best resume in school history.

I’m sure everyone would like to be in the national title hunt every year, but you have to look at how much we pay and the coaching landscape vs. our recruiting restrictions. The formula for a title today is gifted head coach + gifted coordinators + enormous staff + places to hide players academically. The schools that are winning pay 3x as much and have 1/2 the academic rigor.

Like I said, the board could go in circles on this topic forever. At the end of the day, even if a new coach is better than CPJ you’re probably looking at a marginal improvement. There are high barriers to most schools in competing for a title, GT included.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
Like I said, the board could go in circles on this topic forever. At the end of the day, even if a new coach is better than CPJ you’re probably looking at a marginal improvement. There are high barriers to most schools in competing for a title, GT included.
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This is a great point. The opportunity for improvement due to a coaching change is relatively small because the bigger factors limiting our success have to do with money and education (curriculum and rigor). The perfect coach would still have those handicaps versus other schools.

People who campaign for a coaching change would probably better spend their time thinking about how to get more money into GT football, because the school isn't going to drastically change for football. And yes, winning would bring in more money, but you need money in the first place to win consistently at the levels to bring in enough money to make a difference.
 
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ScionOfSouthland said:
and is 30% against Georgia over a 10 year period.
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40% over ten years, 33% over nine years

He’s got the 2nd best resume in school history.
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Huh?

I’m sure everyone would like to be in the national title hunt every year
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There’s a big difference between being in the NC hunt every year and simply not getting embarrassed by the Duke and MTSU’s of the world.

Or is there? Actually kinda hard to think of many non-NC-contending teams that don’t get embarrassed every few years. UGA comes to mind.
 
From what I've seen and read, the main school related limitation that we need to change isn't academics as much as program employees and funding. There was something a year or two back that said FSU employs like 3 times the number of non-coaching football staff than us. That I recall is a big thing with recruiting.

P.S. Have we finished paying hewitt yet?!
 
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RamblinWreck92 said:
ND coach Kelly said almost this exact same thing in a national TV broadcast: That HS defensive players don't want to play for us because they don't want to practice against the TO.

If the pro-CPJ fans think this scheme isn't used against us, they're more naive than I thought.
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It's true and recruiters tell the kids parents it's just injuries waiting to happen. It's more effective for luring away defensive line recruits than any other positions.
 
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