Expansion Rumors…

Buzzilla said:
Obviously Swafford and the conference leadership has a big share of blame for making a bad deal, but ESPN/ABC/Disney owns the "property". They also own the SEC property. They have effectively favored one to the neglect of the other. They are solely to blame for tilting the playing field and doing nothing to mitigate the imbalance.

I have said Georgia Tech will be fine and they will, but ESPN/ABC/Disney has created this situation within the conference and between the properties that they own the rights to. It will likely never be favorably resolved by legal actions but ESPN/ABC/Disney absolutely knows they are tilting the game across the board. They know it and have chosen to do nothing about it.

I detest them for that and a host of other offenses that organization has done and continues to do and I will absolutely call them out for it and do everything I can to never give them a dime. I'm certain I am not alone in that sentiment.
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Here’s the thing though. Why wouldABC/ESPN with all their financial issues tear up a contract in their favor to pay more per ACC school? As a measure of goodwill?

ESPN is not solely to blame for the imbalance between the sec and the ACC/B12. The ACC has a disadvantage regarding the size of the schools and attendance of games at Duke, Wake, BC, UVA, Syracuse, Pitt, Stanford, Cal, SMU, Miami etc. With smaller stadiums vs the majority of the sec, the ACC still can’t fill the stands. That’s not an ESPN issue. The sec, B1G just have bigger schools with fanbases that fill the stands. The only schools that fit that in the ACC are Clemson, FSU, NCSU and maybe UofL. VT isn’t what they once were from an attendance standpoint under Beamer.

South Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State have sucked pretty much my entire life, but those fans still go to the games. That can’t be said for the ACC teams above. Even when they are good, they still have a hard time selling out games.

I have plenty of issues with ABC/ESPN, but this isn’t one of them.

Here are the TV ratings from week 3. 1 ACC team (FSU) was involved in a Top 10 watched game. WVU-Pitt didn’t even pull in ratings in a rivalry game. That’s surprising.

www.on3.com

College Football TV Ratings: Top 10 most-watched games of Week 3

On3 compiled data to piece together the top 10 most-watched games of Week 3 of the college football season.
www.on3.com www.on3.com
 
This whole thing has become patently absurd. I mean on the one hand it's fine, it's money, it's big business, it's college football, who really cares, organize however it might work, but still, South Florida in a conference who's name is derived from the Pacific Ocean. Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference, teams not even close to the south or the East in South Eastern conference. This is a total farce and anything even remotely trying to tie this to any traditions of the past is moronic. At least admit that we are in a new era and drop the meaningless names. It's just stupid.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
This whole thing has become patently absurd. I mean on the one hand it's fine, it's money, it's big business, it's college football, who really cares, organize however it might work, but still, South Florida in a conference who's name is derived from the Pacific Ocean. Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference, teams not even close to the south or the East in South Eastern conference. This is a total farce and anything even remotely trying to tie this to any traditions of the past is moronic. At least admit that we are in a new era and drop the meaningless names. It's just stupid.
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You mean like when the BIG and SEC procure the best of the rest and make the NFL mini a true thing.
 
GoJackets89 said:
You mean like when the BIG and SEC procure the best of the rest and make the NFL mini a true thing.
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Yeah, I mean I really don't care, it's not a complaint, GT football is the only thing I really actively care about. But was just thinking about it from another perspective and I find the absurdity of all the scrambling of these entities trying to have it both ways, trying to succeed in the new era (which is what they must do) while still trying to sell the concept of their conference games and traditions meaning anything whatsoever, it's both ridiculous and amusing.

Where do I want GT to end up? Wherever there is the best option for long term success, wherever that is and whatever it's called. Who knows what that will be, things are continually changing and chaotic, I'm not really immersed in the minutia and likely won't ever be, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it that's for sure.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
Yeah, I mean I really don't care, it's not a complaint, GT football is the only thing I really actively care about. But was just thinking about it from another perspective and I find the absurdity of all the scrambling of these entities trying to have it both ways, trying to succeed in the new era (which is what they must do) while still trying to sell the concept of their conference games and traditions meaning anything whatsoever, it's both ridiculous and amusing.

Where do I want GT to end up? Wherever there is the best option for long term success, wherever that is and whatever it's called. Who knows what that will be, things are continually changing and chaotic, I'm not really immersed in the minutia and likely won't ever be, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it that's for sure.
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Indeed. I've gravitated more to the NFL game in the past several years. For one I don't have a huge emotional connection to the Falcs as I do Tech, but at least everything in the NFL creates more parity.

I "enjoy" bring a falcons fan because I can enjoy an NFL Sunday even when they lose. Hell them coming back and beating the Eagles the other night was awesome.

With tech it's just always some up hill battle and we've just had öööö stacked against us since I've been a fan.

And news flash, I wouldn't even be a fan of it weren't for my dad graduatting from Tech and taking me to games since I was a wee lad.
 
GoJackets89 said:
Indeed. I've gravitated more to the NFL game in the past several years. For one I don't have a huge emotional connection to the Falcs as I do Tech, but at least everything in the NFL creates more parity.

I "enjoy" bring a falcons fan because I can enjoy an NFL Sunday even when they lose. Hell them coming back and beating the Eagles the other night was awesome.

With tech it's just always some up hill battle and we've just had öööö stacked against us since I've been a fan.

And news flash, I wouldn't even be a fan of it weren't for my dad graduatting from Tech and taking me to games since I was a wee lad.
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I had many family members that went to Tech, my uncle played on the 51 team, but really what ultimately got me on campus were all the games my Grandmother took me to as a young kid. The imagery and game day experience on campus are memories I'll never forget, and for me is the college football tradition and why it does sadden me on some levels that much of that has been lost for current and future generations.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
I had many family members that went to Tech, my uncle played on the 51 team, but really what ultimately got me on campus were all the games my Grandmother took me to as a young kid. The imagery and game day experience on campus are memories I'll never forget, and for me is the college football tradition and why it does sadden me on some levels that much of that has been lost for current and future generations.
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Totally get it, I have fond memories of tailgating at tech when I was young with my dad.

After he passed I didn't go to as many games, but tried my hardest to get to BDS when I could.

Hell for the 2004(maybe?) Miami game I woke up in a van to some students starting up some damn rat rod looking contraption where we were parked. The damn thing was loud as hell and looked like it was shooting out 20ft flames.

It's gotten harder as a real adult with a family to make games, with work schedules and on calls between the both of us working parents.

Not sure which games workout well with TBDs still going on, but want to get my kids a fun experience at BDS.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
This whole thing has become patently absurd. I mean on the one hand it's fine, it's money, it's big business, it's college football, who really cares, organize however it might work, but still, South Florida in a conference who's name is derived from the Pacific Ocean. Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference, teams not even close to the south or the East in South Eastern conference. This is a total farce and anything even remotely trying to tie this to any traditions of the past is moronic. At least admit that we are in a new era and drop the meaningless names. It's just stupid.
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That is all fine. Just so long as the Dallas Cowboys can continue to play in the NFC East. and Indianapolis can continue in the AFC South.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
This whole thing has become patently absurd. I mean on the one hand it's fine, it's money, it's big business, it's college football, who really cares, organize however it might work, but still, South Florida in a conference who's name is derived from the Pacific Ocean. Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference, teams not even close to the south or the East in South Eastern conference. This is a total farce and anything even remotely trying to tie this to any traditions of the past is moronic. At least admit that we are in a new era and drop the meaningless names. It's just stupid.
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I agree. It’s absurd. But I think it would be much more entertaining to play against Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, Oregon, USC, UCLA, and Iowa than The Carolina Boys.
 
USCJacket said:
Here’s the thing though. Why wouldABC/ESPN with all their financial issues tear up a contract in their favor to pay more per ACC school? As a measure of goodwill?

ESPN is not solely to blame for the imbalance between the sec and the ACC/B12. The ACC has a disadvantage regarding the size of the schools and attendance of games at Duke, Wake, BC, UVA, Syracuse, Pitt, Stanford, Cal, SMU, Miami etc. With smaller stadiums vs the majority of the sec, the ACC still can’t fill the stands. That’s not an ESPN issue. The sec, B1G just have bigger schools with fanbases that fill the stands. The only schools that fit that in the ACC are Clemson, FSU, NCSU and maybe UofL. VT isn’t what they once were from an attendance standpoint under Beamer.

South Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State have sucked pretty much my entire life, but those fans still go to the games. That can’t be said for the ACC teams above. Even when they are good, they still have a hard time selling out games.

I have plenty of issues with ABC/ESPN, but this isn’t one of them.

Here are the TV ratings from week 3. 1 ACC team (FSU) was involved in a Top 10 watched game. WVU-Pitt didn’t even pull in ratings in a rivalry game. That’s surprising.

www.on3.com

College Football TV Ratings: Top 10 most-watched games of Week 3

On3 compiled data to piece together the top 10 most-watched games of Week 3 of the college football season.
www.on3.com www.on3.com
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It’s a chicken/egg thing at this point. Sure, the school/stadium sizes matter. But how much more attendance would non-SEC teams have without the steady propaganda drumbeat from ESPN the last couple decades? Impossible to say but it’s got to have some effect, especially on sidewalk fans.
 
gtleviathan said:
It’s a chicken/egg thing at this point. Sure, the school/stadium sizes matter. But how much more attendance would non-SEC teams have without the steady propaganda drumbeat from ESPN the last couple decades? Impossible to say but it’s got to have some effect, especially on sidewalk fans.
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OK. So you’re telling me, Duke, Wake Forest, BC, UVA, SMU, Cal, Stanford, Syracuse, Pitt would have just as many sellouts as their sec equivalent (in terms of tier) South Carolina, Mizzou, Ole Miss, MSU? Sorry, but I have to disagree. Those schools sold out even when they sucked on JP/Raycom TV game of the week in the 90’s-2000’s. The stadium sizes in the sec were already larger before adding more seats at some schools over the last 20 years.

Even when Pitt, Miami, on down are “ranked” and winning, they still have 25-40% empty seats. That’s not an ESPN “propaganda” thing, It’s just the schools themselves. The ACC has 2 schools who don’t even have an on-campus stadium (Miami, Pitt). Combine that with 4 inner city schools (GT, BC, Pitt, Miami). Then add in the an academic schools (GT, Duke, Stanford, Cal) who just don’t have the larger alumni/fanbases who care about sports.

The biggest difference overall between the 2 leagues are “state school” vs smaller other schools in the state. That was before adding Texas, OU. The only ACC equivalents to the sec are Clemson, FSU, UNC (and UNC has problems selling out). NCSU as far as fan support and stadium size is actually #3 over UNC.

Vandy in terms of fan support, location, alumni base is the only program that relates to the ACC from the sec.
 
USCJacket said:
OK. So you’re telling me, Duke, Wake Forest, BC, UVA, SMU, Cal, Stanford, Syracuse, Pitt would have just as many sellouts as their sec equivalent (in terms of tier) South Carolina, Mizzou, Ole Miss, MSU? Sorry, but I have to disagree. Those schools sold out even when they sucked on JP/Raycom TV game of the week in the 90’s-2000’s. The stadium sizes in the sec were already larger before adding more seats at some schools over the last 20 years.

Even when Pitt, Miami, on down are “ranked” and winning, they still have 25-40% empty seats. That’s not an ESPN “propaganda” thing, It’s just the schools themselves. The ACC has 2 schools who don’t even have an on-campus stadium (Miami, Pitt). Combine that with 4 inner city schools (GT, BC, Pitt, Miami). Then add in the an academic schools (GT, Duke, Stanford, Cal) who just don’t have the larger alumni/fanbases who care about sports.

The biggest difference overall between the 2 leagues are “state school” vs smaller other schools in the state. That was before adding Texas, OU. The only ACC equivalents to the sec are Clemson, FSU, UNC (and UNC has problems selling out). NCSU as far as fan support and stadium size is actually #3 over UNC.

Vandy in terms of fan support, location, alumni base is the only program that relates to the ACC from the sec.
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Actually, no. He never said that. Just how many more fans those teams might have if the ESPN bias wasn’t there over the years.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
This whole thing has become patently absurd. I mean on the one hand it's fine, it's money, it's big business, it's college football, who really cares, organize however it might work, but still, South Florida in a conference who's name is derived from the Pacific Ocean. Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference, teams not even close to the south or the East in South Eastern conference. This is a total farce and anything even remotely trying to tie this to any traditions of the past is moronic. At least admit that we are in a new era and drop the meaningless names. It's just stupid.
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I hear you man. I don’t think anyone is holding on to any traditions though. The traditions sucked anyways because it was all a farce due to rampant cheating. The conference names are funny at this point but who cares. As you pointed out, all that matters is GT and good games in my world. This new era is waaaaaaaay better than the past. We can watch any game we want, we have many more unique matchups, and 1 loss doesn’t doom your entire season, and we will have an actual conclusion to a season with a real champion crowned instead of waiting until Monday for a poll. All I request (which I’ll get at some point) is GT in a different conference and a 24plus team playoff.
 
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