Expansion Rumors…

Bullshit it would marginalize us.. Ohio State already recruits Georgia pretty well. Atlanta has a ton of BIG10 transplants.

The ACC is what makes us suffer

Silly. The ACC has a ton of transplants with Clemson, Carolina, Florida State. But somehow Ohio State and Michigan are going to be such huge draws every few years that they will save little Georgia Tech and make us Vanderbilt relevant. Lol.

Stick to arguments about Big Ten money, those are the only ones that make sense
 
Interesting, but I don't see what the ACC has to gain from an alliance with the Pac-12, mainly because of the 4 hour time difference. I heard Tech mentioned once, but I don't remember now what Canzano said, and I don't want to try to find it. Do you remember?
It looks like though, that ESPN is pretty much in charge, and it's all about the money.
So lets look at how USC & UCLA helps the BTN, and that’s key to their adding USC and UCLA, who play in the second-largest designated media market in the U.S. (as per Nielsen’s 2021-22 DMA rankings, the LA DMA’s estimated 5,735,230 TV homes was second only to NYC’s 7,452,620).

So a way to calculate a conservative UCLA-USC LA market impact for the BIG10 Network is as follows: keep the in-footprint and out-of-footprint fee estimates at $1.50 and $0.10, assume that BTN will receive a similar percentage of penetration in LA as it does nationally (54.3/122.4=42.7 percent), and assume that that 42.7 percent all already had BTN at the out-of-market price (so going from $0.10 to $1.50). That gives 42.7 percent home penetration * 5.73 million homes = 2.45 million homes, which multiplied by $1.40 is $3.43 million extra per month, or $41.16 million extra per year. I say this is conservative becuase I can see the whole state of california demanding BIG10 Network becuase UCLA-USC will be on the BIG10 Network.

So how can the PAC12 on the ACC Network help the ACC. Well ESPN & ACCN share profits 50/50. However ESPN will front the cost of the Tier1-Tier3 rights. ESPN may or may not sublicense PAc tier 3 rights to BALLy RSN, they could start a ESPN+ network and maybe produce the sam income that the PACN brought them. But for the ACCN. Having Tier2 games on the ACCN and taking the .10 subscriber fee from out of footprint rate to the 1.00 in foot print rate will add a ton of money, not to mention the extra advertising dollars that will come to the network. Can you imagine if the ACCN took the entire PAC10 Market (not counting San Diego & Las Vegas) 11.9M homes and were able to get 50 percent to watch or subscribe at the in footprint rate that would be 5.95M homes at an incerease of .90 cents. which woud be 5.35M in monthly revenue for an annual payout of 64.26M that would before new advertisement dollars and is really a conservative estimate I have heard it may be as high as 75-80% of that number and I can see that ESPN may charge 1.50 rate for that same content. SO I think it is a no brainer for the ACC to allow ESPN to put PAC12 games on that network. The real number from the impact may well be higher. ACCN becomes more attractive carry in the entire states of California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Utah, Colorado when they carry PAC12 content, and some of those entre states could certainly wind up as in-footprint ACCN as well.

However it is not going to make the 15 ACC schools a ton of money we are talking 1-10M increase after profits are split with ESPN and the member schools. However if you are the ACC and you can't renegotiate your TV contract until the next look-in which is 2026, getting an extra 5-10M on top of your current media payout certianly doesn't hurt.

— Number of Pac-12 markets with at least one million homes in 2021, per Nielsen DMAs (with national ranking):

No. 6 Bay Area - 2.6M homes
No. 11 Phoenix - 2.1M homes
No. 12 Seattle - 2.0M homes
No. 16 Denver - 1.7M homes
No. 21 Portland - 1.3M homes
No. 27 San Diego - 1.1M homes
No. 30 Salt Lake City - 1.1M homes

If they added UNLV or the Las Vegas market (it is under 1M at 833K) they come in at #40 you have a great media market to sell to ESPN and With regard to Fresno State, Central Valley is home to 6.5 million people — it’s the equivalent of Seattle and Portland combined — and a good portion of them are Bulldogs fans.
 
Silly. The ACC has a ton of transplants with Clemson, Carolina, Florida State. But somehow Ohio State and Michigan are going to be such huge draws every few years that they will save little Georgia Tech and make us Vanderbilt relevant. Lol.

Stick to arguments about Big Ten money, those are the only ones that make sense
Clemson is nowhere near as large as any of the BIG10 schools I named.

Clemson has an enrollment of around 23k. Ohio State over 60k. Michigan 50k. Penn State 50k, Michigan State over 40k, Illinois over 40k. Nobody gives a single öööö about Clemson.
 
let’s drop uga because we can’t compete against them but move to Big10 and play Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State…. That will solve our problems.
I never said drop them because we couldn't beat them. öööö the SEC, that why.
 
Clemson is nowhere near as large as any of the BIG10 schools I named.

Clemson has an enrollment of around 23k. Ohio State over 60k. Michigan 50k. Penn State 50k, Michigan State over 40k, Illinois over 40k. Nobody gives a single öööö about Clemson.

Who cares about those numbers at all? What difference does it make that Ohio State playing Georgia Tech creates more interest in the game in the state of flipping Ohio or in the state of Michigan? Just because they happen to have alumni here doesn't mean anyone in Atlanta gives a s*** about Big 10 football in general. Pretending like that would somehow be more exciting to people in Atlanta or anywhere else in the country outside the Rust Belt than playing a regional rival like Clemson with twice as many national championships as any Big Ten team in the last decade has no basis in reality.
 
let’s drop uga because we can’t compete against them but move to Big10 and play Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State…. That will solve our problems.
There are $100 million reasons why dropping UGA to play tOSU, Michigan, etc annually makes sense. But you’re right, playing UGA with 80% UGA fans in BDS, while making less than half the $$ annually playing in the ACC instead of the B1G makes much more sense.……Oh wait…..
 
There are $100 million reasons why dropping UGA to play tOSU, Michigan, etc annually makes sense. But you’re right, playing UGA with 80% UGA fans in BDS, while making less than half the $$ annually playing in the ACC instead of the B1G makes much more sense.……Oh wait…..
80% uga trash = 80% Ohio state trash. But I’ll drop uga for $100M a year if that’s what you’re paying. Money is the only logical argument in all of this. Everything else is bullshit.
 
I also don’t believe that paying schools $100M is sustainable in the long run. This öööö is gonna burst at some point and we’re gonna be stuck in a conference full of teams we dont have any history with and our arch rivalry destroyed. But y’all go ahead and do your dreaming.
 
I also don’t believe that paying schools $100M is sustainable in the long run. This öööö is gonna burst at some point and we’re gonna be stuck in a conference full of teams we dont have any history with and our arch rivalry destroyed. But y’all go ahead and do your dreaming.
I think you’re missing something here. CFB is still the #2 sport in the United States. Conference expansion is pretty much made for TV content. You don’t think Fox, ESPN have anything to do with the final outcome of what the Big 2 or 3 conferences will look like? I have a feeling when the dust settles it will be 3 leagues. SEC, B1G and B12. The B12 can easily merge with the remnants of the P12. From a geographic perspective, it makes sense. They can then absorb some ACC leftovers.

Conferences can now set made for TV matchup’s weekly. The games are much more entertaining, and it removes the multiple matchups vs G5, FCS opponents.

Back to TV & revenue. While people are “cutting the cord” you still have Hulu+, YouTube, FubuTV, etc. The money will be there long term. The gate attendance is what continues to drop annually because of the amount of games on TV.
 
The only part of this post that is relevant is that Tech's status locally and nationally will elevate if Tech gets its act together. That's it. That's all. That's all it is now, and all it ever has been. The exaggeration of the ACC somehow being a significant anchor holding Tech back is the most laughable bullshit ever in this expansion saga. We've always had much bigger albatrosses than our ACC affiliation.

You must not have been around in 1990 before the UGA game. They had Georgia players on the local news being asked about GT success that year and the standard reply was "those are ACC stats, they don't mean anything". The same thing has been said about Clemson in recent years going into the playoffs, "sure they are undefeated; but that is against an ACC schedule". You can't ignore the ACC being an albatross around GT's neck in football recruiting (being ACC certainly helped Cremins recruit back in the day) and in local perception, that is just dumb. Our sucking hasn't helped us any either, on that I agree; but being in the ACC contributes to that.
 
You must not have been around in 1990 before the UGA game. They had Georgia players on the local news being asked about GT success that year and the standard reply was "those are ACC stats, they don't mean anything". The same thing has been said about Clemson in recent years going into the playoffs, "sure they are undefeated; but that is against an ACC schedule". You can't ignore the ACC being an albatross around GT's neck in football recruiting (being ACC certainly helped Cremins recruit back in the day) and in local perception, that is just dumb. Our sucking hasn't helped us any either, on that I agree; but being in the ACC contributes to that.
Clemson can recruit top 5 classes with “the ACC albatross” around their neck. Being in the ACC is not why we can’t recruit.
 
You must not have been around in 1990 before the UGA game. They had Georgia players on the local news being asked about GT success that year and the standard reply was "those are ACC stats, they don't mean anything". The same thing has been said about Clemson in recent years going into the playoffs, "sure they are undefeated; but that is against an ACC schedule". You can't ignore the ACC being an albatross around GT's neck in football recruiting (being ACC certainly helped Cremins recruit back in the day) and in local perception, that is just dumb. Our sucking hasn't helped us any either, on that I agree; but being in the ACC contributes to that.

That perception is never going to go away unless GT is in the SEC. On that you and I likely agree, but that's where fantasy ends and reality begins. Your beef really isn't about the ACC, it's about "not being in the SEC", which is obvious. But somehow the ACC has still managed to win six national championships since the UGA game in 1990, nowhere near the number of the SEC, but more than competitive with everyone else.
 
80% uga trash = 80% Ohio state trash. But I’ll drop uga for $100M a year if that’s what you’re paying. Money is the only logical argument in all of this. Everything else is bullshit.

I think money is the argument being made by the B1G crowd, nationwide conference should mean more $$. The SEC crowd seems focused on what their next door neighbor thinks. I don't know what's up with the guys wanting to stay in the ACC forever.
 
I think money is the argument being made by the B1G crowd, nationwide conference should mean more $$. The SEC crowd seems focused on what their next door neighbor thinks. I don't know what's up with the guys wanting to stay in the ACC forever.
Yeah but you brought up the opinions of loser 1990 uga football players as proof of disrespect for ACC and now you’re saying SEC crowd seems focused on what their next door neighbor thinks. If Tech wins a national title while in Big 10, uga folk are gonna say “yeah but that’s against a big10 schedule, they didn’t even play us, that doesn’t count.” That’s called ööööting on what you can’t have.
 
Yeah but you brought up the opinions of loser 1990 uga football players as proof of disrespect for ACC and now you’re saying SEC crowd seems focused on what their next door neighbor thinks. If Tech wins a national title while in Big 10, uga folk are gonna say “yeah but that’s against a big10 schedule, they didn’t even play us, that doesn’t count.” That’s called ööööting on what you can’t have.

If the B1G is THE Nationwide conference, it is much different than the B1G of yesteryear or even today.
 
Don't schedule Bama, don't schedule UGAg, don't schedule Tennessee, don't schedule Auburn, don't schedule another SEC team ever if we join the BIG10, ever.
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Don't schedule Bama, don't schedule UGAg, don't schedule Tennessee, don't schedule Auburn, don't schedule another SEC team ever if we join the BIG10, ever.
Look, I know you, and to some extent myself, are in some sort of game of thrones mind set where we want to watch the world of the SEC burn because of how things have shaken out. But the bottom line is fans want to see us play uGA, Auburn and Tennessee. I believe that Tech is capable of competing, and even winning. I’ve sent it. So spare us the taking of the ball and going home.
 
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