Expansion Rumors…

JJacket said:
The latest I saw was....drumroll.....FSU, Clemson, and.........Louisville to the BIG10. I am not posting a link because people are morons looking for clicks at this point.
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I can't see Clemson going B1G. They're as southern as it gets ... BUT if there's anything the B1G is hell bent on doing, it's breaking traditions. At least SEC is being smart about their expansion. B1G is taking the Dr. Frankenstein approach.
 
cajunjacket said:
I can't see Clemson going B1G. They're as southern as it gets ... BUT if there's anything the B1G is hell bent on doing, it's breaking traditions. At least SEC is being smart about their expansion. B1G is taking the Dr. Frankenstein approach.
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Really think Big 10 needs to expand in the southeast, The trend is more and more players from the sunbelt and not as big a percentage from
northeast and midwest. It would make sense for Big Ten to take GT, FSU, Miami, and Clemson.
 
Kcs_Tech said:
Really think Big 10 needs to expand in the southeast, The trend is more and more players from the sunbelt and not as big a percentage from
northeast and midwest. It would make sense for Big Ten to take GT, FSU, Miami, and Clemson.
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Adding GT in these conversations, at this point, is just a pipe dream. We had a window to enter the BIG, and we didn't. That door is closed. We need to be honest with ourselves.
 
GTsapper said:
Adding GT in these conversations, at this point, is just a pipe dream. We had a window to enter the BIG, and we didn't. That door is closed. We need to be honest with ourselves.
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I believe you are incorrect. If the BIG has a chance to have a team in the largest city in the southeast with 4-5 star recruits within a minute drive they will. That’s why they wanted us before. They go by business, not emotions. The same business reasons they asked us before still remain in place. In fact, with all the expansion, it’s even more critical for them to get a toehold in Atlanta.

They are way smarter than the SEC guys who hold grudges from 60 years ago. It’s all about business for TV so having teams in all 4 regions of the country gives them something the SEC doesn’t have and eventually the SEC will need teams up north and from California.
 
Dennis Dodd wrote an article last week and also appeared on 365Sports this weekend emphatically stating that he was told the driving force behind ALL of these moves is to control and maintain major rivalries. The SEC and B1G are hell bent on controling these rivalries because they are certain that this will allow them to DOUBLE their revenues from here.

That tells me that IF GT is courted in the future, that it will be by the SEC because of our UGA rivalry and our historic rivalries with other SEC schools like Auburn, and to a lesser extent UT/UA, as well as our former prominent place within the old SEC.

If so, I think that means GT, Clemson, FSU, and MIami would be the package. Many rivalries would be furthered with those 4 additions.

All that said, he said that the biggest prize of all the ACC schools are Duke and UNC. Again due to their status, viewership, and rivalry, which doesn't mean the SEC is the best place for them, but the SEC and B1G will probably fight over them first before any of us.

He also said FSU better be careful, as they do not represent the same draw as UNC/Duke, and these two conferences are not interested in them as a single entity (without a partner to join). And, they also don't feel that the price to be paid to help them buyout the GOR is not a price they are wanting to pay. Juice would not be worth the squeeze.

Just my $0.02 but thought this was an interesting take.
 
OptionJacket said:
I believe you are incorrect. If the BIG has a chance to have a team in the largest city in the southeast with 4-5 star recruits within a minute drive they will. That’s why they wanted us before. They go by business, not emotions. The same business reasons they asked us before still remain in place. In fact, with all the expansion, it’s even more critical for them to get a toehold in Atlanta.

They are way smarter than the SEC guys who hold grudges from 60 years ago. It’s all about business for TV so having teams in all 4 regions of the country gives them something the SEC doesn’t have and eventually the SEC will need teams up north and from California.
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I hope you're right, but I really do think we missed the boat.
 
Gobees said:
That tells me that IF GT is courted in the future, that it will be by the SEC because of our UGA rivalry and our historic rivalries with other SEC schools like Auburn, and to a lesser extent UT/UA, as well as our former prominent place within the old SEC.
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None of those schools consider GT a rival, including uga. If expansion is about rivalries, we're hosed.
 
Gobees said:
Dennis Dodd wrote an article last week and also appeared on 365Sports this weekend emphatically stating that he was told the driving force behind ALL of these moves is to control and maintain major rivalries. The SEC and B1G are hell bent on controling these rivalries because they are certain that this will allow them to DOUBLE their revenues from here.

That tells me that IF GT is courted in the future, that it will be by the SEC because of our UGA rivalry and our historic rivalries with other SEC schools like Auburn, and to a lesser extent UT/UA, as well as our former prominent place within the old SEC.

If so, I think that means GT, Clemson, FSU, and MIami would be the package. Many rivalries would be furthered with those 4 additions.

All that said, he said that the biggest prize of all the ACC schools are Duke and UNC. Again due to their status, viewership, and rivalry, which doesn't mean the SEC is the best place for them, but the SEC and B1G will probably fight over them first before any of us.

He also said FSU better be careful, as they do not represent the same draw as UNC/Duke, and these two conferences are not interested in them as a single entity (without a partner to join). And, they also don't feel that the price to be paid to help them buyout the GOR is not a price they are wanting to pay. Juice would not be worth the squeeze.

Just my $0.02 but thought this was an interesting take.
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Conf expansion is 95% about football, and in fb duke does not hold even a distant candle to fsu in TV viewership or draw. It does seem like UNC is a top priority for both conferences.
 
gtphd said:
None of those schools consider GT a rival, including uga. If expansion is about rivalries, we're hosed.
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UGA considers GT a rival, regardless of what your friends might tell you. The evidence of their true feelings is how much $$ they willingly drop to buy out Grant Field every other year. If they didn't care, they wouldn't give you s**t all year, you would be just another GSU grad to them.
 
OptionJacket said:
I believe you are incorrect. If the BIG has a chance to have a team in the largest city in the southeast with 4-5 star recruits within a minute drive they will. That’s why they wanted us before. They go by business, not emotions. The same business reasons they asked us before still remain in place. In fact, with all the expansion, it’s even more critical for them to get a toehold in Atlanta.

They are way smarter than the SEC guys who hold grudges from 60 years ago. It’s all about business for TV so having teams in all 4 regions of the country gives them something the SEC doesn’t have and eventually the SEC will need teams up north and from California.
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This is only partially true. The original expansion by the B1G was for TV markets (Maryland DC / northern VA), Rutgers (NY / NYC). GT was reportedly the other option. That’s not the driving force anymore.

The B1G like the SEC wants football brands. Clemson, FSU, Miami are the top 3 ACC football “brands” (even though Miami isn’t Miami pre-ACC) they are all national brands that drive TV numbers nationally. The most obvious fit for the B1G would eventually be ND. After those 4 you have the group of GT, UNC, UVA, Duke, NCSU. Still seems like the SEC would go for some combination of FSU, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, VT, UVA. If UVA doesn’t show some life in the next 2-3 years, they are out. VT would be the next obvious choice.

Look at the last 4 brought in by the B1G, they are all national brands (USC, Oregon, UW, UCLA) with recent football success. UCLA no longer has the financial excuse.
 
aeromech said:
UGA considers GT a rival, regardless of what your friends might tell you. The evidence of their true feelings is how much $$ they willingly drop to buy out Grant Field every other year. If they didn't care, they wouldn't give you s**t all year, you would be just another GSU grad to them.
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While agree with the general notion that we're still seen as a rival (despite the lopsided couple of decades), I don't know that Bobby Dodd ticket sales are that big of an indicator. They do the same to Vandy.
 
gtphd said:
None of those schools consider GT a rival, including uga. If expansion is about rivalries, we're hosed.
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The hell UGAg doesn't. You can lose to Bama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and it is passed over in a week or so.....lose to GT and it guts them.
 
USCJacket said:
This is only partially true. The original expansion by the B1G was for TV markets (Maryland DC / northern VA), Rutgers (NY / NYC). GT was reportedly the other option. That’s not the driving force anymore.

The B1G like the SEC wants football brands. Clemson, FSU, Miami are the top 3 ACC football “brands” (even though Miami isn’t Miami pre-ACC) they are all national brands that drive TV numbers nationally. The most obvious fit for the B1G would eventually be ND. After those 4 you have the group of GT, UNC, UVA, Duke, NCSU. Still seems like the SEC would go for some combination of FSU, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, VT, UVA. If UVA doesn’t show some life in the next 2-3 years, they are out. VT would be the next obvious choice.

Look at the last 4 brought in by the B1G, they are all national brands (USC, Oregon, UW, UCLA) with recent football success. UCLA no longer has the financial excuse.
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They brought them in because the ACC has the GOR so they couldn’t touch any of us. Once the GOR is overridden you’ll see how quickly they’ll come after us. And the 4 they took were to have toeholds in those regions. The BIG now has schools in every region of the country except the southeast. That’s due to the GOR. I see them quickly grabbing Miami and GT because those schools are AAU and real colleges with easy access, huge BIG alum, and hotbeds for recruiting. We’ll find out in due time.
 
ESPN and Fox are pulling the strings.
The SEC and B1G are facilitating their decisions, not dictating them.
 
It'll become either 1 or 2 mega-conferences.

- Conferences came to exist due to historical difficulty and cost in travel.
- Increased money in game has lessened disincentives to travel, nearly eliminating the need for conferences.
- For any number of conferences, it makes financial sense for schools in the least profitable conference to join one of the other conferences. It also makes financial sense for those other conferences to add a school, because more teams is more money. (We are seeing this process play out now.)

My bet is we'll get 1 conference with each school scheduling the best games possible for itself. 2 maybe possible if people are committed to preserving "conferences" as a thing.
 
justafan said:
It'll become either 1 or 2 mega-conferences.

- Conferences came to exist due to historical difficulty and cost in travel.
- Increased money in game has lessened disincentives to travel, nearly eliminating the need for conferences.
- For any number of conferences, it makes financial sense for schools in the least profitable conference to join one of the other conferences. It also makes financial sense for those other conferences to add a school, because more teams is more money. (We are seeing this process play out now.)

My bet is we'll get 1 conference with each school scheduling the best games possible for itself. 2 maybe possible if people are committed to preserving "conferences" as a thing.
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Agreed. That’s why Notre Dame has no need to join a conference for football. Any team they call to schedule games will say yes because it’s easy money, national exposure, and travel is no longer a factor. The only reason they did the ACC thing was to give other sports somewhere to play. Now, the6 just have to figure out a schedule that gets them to 10-2 every year and they’ll be in the expanded playoffs yearly along with Ohio St, Mich, Bama, and UGA.
 
OptionJacket said:
They brought them in because the ACC has the GOR so they couldn’t touch any of us. Once the GOR is overridden you’ll see how quickly they’ll come after us. And the 4 they took were to have toeholds in those regions. The BIG now has schools in every region of the country except the southeast. That’s due to the GOR. I see them quickly grabbing Miami and GT because those schools are AAU and real colleges with easy access, huge BIG alum, and hotbeds for recruiting. We’ll find out in due time.
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Amen, there‘s no way they are passing on the #7 market in the country and the city where more BIG alumni live than anywhee else in the SE
 
Gobees said:
ESPN and Fox are pulling the strings.
The SEC and B1G are facilitating their decisions, not dictating them.
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TV is pulling the strings to a major extent; but it isn't like ESPN and FOX are partners in this. The SEC is definitely tied tightly to ESPN/ABC; but the B1G has marketed itself to FOX, CBS, & NBC; three entities that are not part of one parent company. I think the B1G has more control over it's own operations and destiny than the SEC does for that reason.
 
cajunjacket said:
I can't see Clemson going B1G. They're as southern as it gets ... BUT if there's anything the B1G is hell bent on doing, it's breaking traditions. At least SEC is being smart about their expansion. B1G is taking the Dr. Frankenstein approach.
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I think adding Texas and Oklahoma was masterful and I agree that holding those natural rivalries speaks volumes to many fans too, especially in the South. I for one am only in favor us leaving for the SEC if we were to leave the ACC. I think it makes the most sense for us geographically and for our natural rivals...and yes contrary to what anyone tells you, we are an archrival to UGAY. We're convenient for them until we beat them. They'll never admit it.
 
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