Expansion

Not gonna happen as long as those with parking spots in other conferences will be diluting their revenue and their vote. If you bring in Stanford and the rest as non-voting, lower payout schools you might get the holdouts to bite. But only until the GOR is cheso enough to break. If they get brought in then the scheduling needs to change to an NFL division style model where you have most of your games against your division and so many games across divisions. Flying to Syracuse and San Francisco and Washington in back to back to back weeks is not sustainable for students.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
Not gonna happen as long as those with parking spots in other conferences will be diluting their revenue and their vote. If you bring in Stanford and the rest as non-voting, lower payout schools you might get the holdouts to bite. But only until the GOR is cheso enough to break. If they get brought in then the scheduling needs to change to an NFL division style model where you have most of your games against your division and so many games across divisions. Flying to Syracuse and San Francisco and Washington in back to back to back weeks is not sustainable for students.
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Not that difficult to fly out and back for football. It would be an issue for other sports.
 
JJacket said:
Just ööööing invite them already. I'd rather be associated with Stanford than ööööing Syracuse.
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I got to stop drinking, Syracuse is in the ACC? No one called me to ask how I felt.

All joking aside I guess some were not around when the ACC took us in the ACC and how bad we were. I guess some forget from 2010 to 2016 Stanford had 6 10 wins a season or more and people were asking if they could do it why not Tech.
 
I was initially against Stanford because it pissed me off that the Irish were trying to throw their weight around to get them added when they themselves won't commit. I'm coming around a little bit if them forgoing payouts gets everyone else more money until the media contract can be renegotiated. And, as much as I dislike them, getting ND all in would really benefit the conference. I think having Stanford, who they play every year anyway, is going to help. I hope we'd get some sort of concession from ND if we pull the trigger on Stanford.

CFB has a huge "what have you done for me lately" bias when it comes to non-traditional football powers. Public sentiment is that Stanford is a terrible football program. They were kind of elite for a decade+ under Harbaugh and most of Shaw's tenure until the wheels came off. A few years later, everyone thinks they are trash. Kind of the same with Tech. We had decades as a very solid football program. After 4 years of the clown, all that is forgotten.

Downside is the travel and Stanford's weak fan support.
 
Doesn't really look too bad $$$ wise to fly from Atlanta to Palo Alto. Delta looks to be $400-ish round trip. Not bad for GT fans.
 
murrayjacket said:
I was initially against Stanford because it pissed me off that the Irish were trying to throw their weight around to get them added when they themselves won't commit. I'm coming around a little bit if them forgoing payouts gets everyone else more money until the media contract can be renegotiated. And, as much as I dislike them, getting ND all in would really benefit the conference. I think having Stanford, who they play every year anyway, is going to help. I hope we'd get some sort of concession from ND if we pull the trigger on Stanford.

CFB has a huge "what have you done for me lately" bias when it comes to non-traditional football powers. Public sentiment is that Stanford is a terrible football program. They were kind of elite for a decade+ under Harbaugh and most of Shaw's tenure until the wheels came off. A few years later, everyone thinks they are trash. Kind of the same with Tech. We had decades as a very solid football program. After 4 years of the clown, all that is forgotten.

Downside is the travel and Stanford's weak fan support.
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Stanford is pretty much the standard profile ACC school. If they were east coast, they would likely already be in the ACC. If they want to spend countless hours on planes for all of their athletes I suppose that is their choice. It makes zero sense. But the B1G is doing it too, so, somehow they've rationalized it as o.k. There is no universe that adding Stanford makes sense. But this is 2023 and bizarro world has been here for a number of years now so nothing would surprise me at this point except logic prevailing.

I don't have as much problem with Stanford as I do with Cal. That program is poison. That school is poison. Their balance sheet is poison. There is ZERO reason to bring that school into the conference. THWC.

None of this makes an ounce of sense. None of it. No one can seriously think this situation would work long term.

It's like the ACC is just turning into a stock room for the B1G and SEC to poach when they are ready to take their picks.

This conference is going to come apart sooner than later and I think adding Stanford or, god forbid, Cal, will only make it messier.

Oh, and just for good measure, öööö Notre Dame!
 
I hear there is another ACC vote on expansion today (from YouTube channels).
I hope SMU is in the mix.
Reasons for supporting SMU:
1. They can play the money game.
2. They can play The NIL money game.
3. Fan base will grow as the P5 games are scheduled. Dallas will support SMU, everybody likes a winner, past history.
4. Games potentially could be played in Jerry World (the Death Star).
5. Miami to SMU is closer than Miami Boston College. (Longest travel in ACC).
6. Three years from now, ACC would be wishing they had grabbed them.
 
WREKedinTexas said:
I hear there is another ACC vote on expansion today (from YouTube channels).
I hope SMU is in the mix.
Reasons for supporting SMU:
2.6. Three years from now, ACC would be wishing they had grabbed them.
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Please explain oh wise one. Why would we be wishing we had grabbed them. It’s not like anybody else has wanted them. Are they some rising superpower? Go back to your YouTube channels and bring us some more wisdom.
 
mookie43 said:
Please explain oh wise one. Why would we be wishing we had grabbed them. It’s not like anybody else has wanted them. Are they some rising superpower? Go back to your YouTube channels and bring us some more wisdom.
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I am not a wise one. YouTube was "The Monty Show" and a couple of others. I just saw it, it was tied to politicians getting involved.
The rest is just my perceptions. It seems that ACC acts weak (letting ND have a partial entrance, voting rights, and pushing their agenda).
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would rather be active and try to be relevant, than to sit by and do nothing. There is always a better way to do something, doing nothing shows no strength. Also, don't act like everybody else, do something exciting with vision. That's just how I look at things.
 
WREKedinTexas said:
I am not a wise one. YouTube was "The Monty Show" and a couple of others. I just saw it, it was tied to politicians getting involved.
The rest is just my perceptions. It seems that ACC acts weak (letting ND have a partial entrance, voting rights, and pushing their agenda).
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would rather be active and try to be relevant, than to sit by and do nothing. There is always a better way to do something, doing nothing shows no strength. Also, don't act like everybody else, do something exciting with vision. That's just how I look at things.
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I am only referencing SMU as an addition.
 
Buzzilla said:
Stanford is pretty much the standard profile ACC school. If they were east coast, they would likely already be in the ACC. If they want to spend countless hours on planes for all of their athletes I suppose that is their choice. It makes zero sense. But the B1G is doing it too, so, somehow they've rationalized it as o.k. There is no universe that adding Stanford makes sense. But this is 2023 and bizarro world has been here for a number of years now so nothing would surprise me at this point except logic prevailing.

I don't have as much problem with Stanford as I do with Cal. That program is poison. That school is poison. Their balance sheet is poison. There is ZERO reason to bring that school into the conference. THWC.

None of this makes an ounce of sense. None of it. No one can seriously think this situation would work long term.

It's like the ACC is just turning into a stock room for the B1G and SEC to poach when they are ready to take their picks.

This conference is going to come apart sooner than later and I think adding Stanford or, god forbid, Cal, will only make it messier.

Oh, and just for good measure, öööö Notre Dame!
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Stanford is desperate to keep their Olympic sports in a power conference and they can afford to forgo TV revenue for quite some time. I would guess the B1G is their ultimate goal, but the ACC makes sense for the short term. Cal is in a different situation. I would expect them to remain in a rebuilt PAC or some merger involving the PAC/AAC/MW.
 
smokey_wasp said:
Stanford is desperate to keep their Olympic sports in a power conference and they can afford to forgo TV revenue for quite some time. I would guess the B1G is their ultimate goal, but the ACC makes sense for the short term. Cal is in a different situation. I would expect them to remain in a rebuilt PAC or some merger involving the PAC/AAC/MW.
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If their ultimate goal is the B1G, why aren't they in there now?

This is just one of the many things that doesn't add up to me. Great academics, great olympic sports, good football/basketball tradition, loaded with endowment money, rivalries with existing, new, and likely future (Notre Dame) B1G members. Why hasn't the B1G already taken them?

The ACC is being treated like a train station in all of this. There is something going on in all of this that stinks beyond just the obvious.
 
Buzzilla said:
If their ultimate goal is the B1G, why aren't they in there now?

This is just one of the many things that doesn't add up to me. Great academics, great olympic sports, good football/basketball tradition, loaded with endowment money, rivalries with existing, new, and likely future (Notre Dame) B1G members. Why hasn't the B1G already taken them?

The ACC is being treated like a train station in all of this. There is something going on in all of this that stinks beyond just the obvious.
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I have a feeling that the teams (And the Conf. leadership) that want to keep the ACC alive until 2036 see adding more schools as a way to basically frick fsu and clemson in the arsehole
 
One thing I seem to think if you read about it on twitter it ain't going to happen.
 
stech81 said:
One thing I seem to think if you read about it on twitter it ain't going to happen.
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What would be the difference between thinking something and seeming to think something?

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